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* |3b|
redirects stdout/stderr to a file, and ends up with an empty file :/
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<asarch>
If you are in the BASH prompt and press the ↑ key, it will show the last command entered, however, in the Slime REPL, the cursor (the blink block) will go up in the buffer, how could you "emulate" the ↑ key function in Slime?
<kevingal>
@asarch you can also use the arrow keys: ctrl+up and ctrl+down.
<kevingal>
(If it's not sacrilege to leave the sacred home row).
<jasom>
|3b|: actually do to the way structs are passed by value on arm64, the void pointer should work
* |3b|
thinks it is too much of a hack to add to somebody else's library :)
<|3b|>
(and logging to a file works well enough for figuring out why it won't run)
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<White_Flame>
if you want local utility functions for your macrolet compile-time bodies use, is that possible?
<Bike>
macrolet expander functions aren't allowed to refer to the runtime lexical environment, so you can't refer to flet/labels definitions, if that's what you mean
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<Bike>
you can use flet/labels within the expander itself, of course, or refer to local definitions in expansions
<White_Flame>
right
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<markasoftware>
is there any way with MOP to change add-method so that you can add multiple methods with the same specializers and qualifiers?
<markasoftware>
the method objects themselves contain extra information that I will use in the discriminating function to determine which ones should be part of the effective method
<iskander>
hi all, i have a problem with SBCL startup, for some reasons it takes sometimes 2 minutes for the prompt to appear, if i interrupt it, then the debuggger says it is in quicklist/setup.lisp. Any idea what could be wrong ?
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<iskander>
if i remove quicklisp setup from .sbclrc then the prompt appear instantaneously
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<jackdaniel>
asdf is quite heavy, quicklisp calls (require 'asdf) - but I don't think that this would account for 2 minutes on a sensible machine
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<iskander>
sometimes it is quicker, maybe a minute, but in the past i didn't notice any delay at all, maybe setup for quicklisp has changed in the meantime
<kpoeck>
iskander Try (ql:update-client), I believe Xach said version 2021-02-11 has a performance problem scanning the local-projects directory. Version 2021-02-13 should fix that
<iskander>
Already did :( The most up-to-date client, version 2021-02-13, is already installed.
<Colleen>
iskander: kpoeck said 11 minutes, 38 seconds ago: Try (ql:update-client), I believe Xach said version 2021-02-11 has a performance problem scanning the local-projects directory
<kpoeck>
And there dies a nice theory :-(
<kpoeck>
Can you trace compile-file?
<iskander>
hmm, my local repositories dir contains 49 git repos, not all of them LISP, maybe if i point my repo to a subdir for LISP
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<iskander>
but still is 49 git repos really a problem here ? i'll try to debug it
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<iskander>
guys, does that mean that you have no such issues ?
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<asarch>
If I: (let (a (b '(1 2 3 4 5))) and then (setf a b) and then (setf b (delete 4 b)) then a is '(1 2 3 5) and b is '(1 2 3 5), how could I a is '(1 2 3 4 5) and b just '(1 2 3 5)?
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<heisig>
frodef: I'm not sure I understand your question. But my two pieces of advice would be to use Magit for managing Git from Emacs, and to prepare for leaving Github as soon as Microsoft starts acting weird.
<scymtym>
frodef: if you are not already using it, the magit package for emacs is a great interface to git. it requires a time investment to reach "fluency", but that is well worth it in my experience. if you want to go further down that road, there is the forge package which adds github-specific information and actions to magit (it also supports gitlab and other "forges")
<frodef>
ok thanks.
<frodef>
so.. MS bought github, I gather :)
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<TMA>
that's really old news
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<scymtym>
i think the main consideration is whether to rely heavily on features beyond git such as issues, wiki, package hosting, continuous integration and so on
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<ex_nihilo>
Given a file in a Slime buffer containing only: (let ((msg "Foo.")) (format t "~A~%" msg))
<ex_nihilo>
When slime-compile-and-load-file is invoked with C-c C-k, "Foo." is printed before the repl prompt.
<ex_nihilo>
But, given: (let ((line (read-line))) (format t "~A~%" line))
<ex_nihilo>
after C-c C-k the point is left following the repl prompt, waiting for input; and after input is given it is echoed, but then the point is left at the beginning of a blank line and ENTER must be pressed again to get back to the repl prompt even though evaluation of the file should now be completed.
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<ex_nihilo>
I get the same behavior if I evaluate the LET form with slime-eval-region using C-c C-r.
<ex_nihilo>
Running the same file as a script, or entering the same LET form at the repl, the code behaves as expected without exhibiting this blocking behavior after echoing the input.
<ex_nihilo>
This seems to be i/o related, but I don't understand why this would work when entered directly in the repl, but not when evaluated from a file; is it just a quirk of the Slime repl, or am I missing something about how code is sent to the repl?
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<recalloc>
That would still bind it to a special variable instead of a function.
<recalloc>
(property-test) returns a function, and I'd want to call tha function like (whitespace-p char) instead of (funcall +whitespace-p+ char).
<Bike>
there are no special bindings in the function namespace, no.
<Bike>
you can do (defun whitespace-p (char) (funcall *whitespace-p* char)) of course.
<recalloc>
...all right, probably the best I could hope for.
<Bike>
and yes, when you define slot readers and writers through defclass they are generic functions.
<TMA>
you can (setf symbol-function) it as well
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<Bike>
oh, yeah, if you only want to change the global binding you can just do (setf (fdefinition 'whitespace-p) (cl-unicode:property-test "whitespace"))
<Krystof>
I don't really recommend this, but restarts are dynamically-bound functions
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<jasom>
As are condition handlersw
<jasom>
but neither of those are in the function namespace
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<jasom>
can anyone point me to the best way to develop lisp software on a remote linux system? I'm thinking tramp-mode for editing plus connecting to a swank server, but maybe there's a better way?
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<Xach>
jasom: lately i've been using remote emacs, with xterm-mode for mouse click/drag, two vertical panes on a wide terminal, and mosh.
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<Xach>
jasom: some terminals can also transparently sync the remote kill ring with the local clipboard (not my xterm, though)
<Xach>
oh, and screen
<Xach>
i really like GUI emacs, but this isn't too bad.
<jasom>
you use screen and mosh? I thought they both did detachment, so is the screen just for multiplexing?
<Xach>
jasom: Can you detach from mosh and re-attach? All my searches said no.
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<jasom>
Xach: I don't use it so you're probably right then
<Xach>
Anyway, screen gives some flexibility to connect from ssh or something else in a pinch.
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<Xach>
mosh isn't a requirement, but it really helps keep things seamless day to day.
<Xach>
and it helps with the latency a bit
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<jasom>
in this case the machine is plugged into the same ethernet switch, so latency not an issue
<flip214_>
beach: I'll be having discussions for some time yet... I delivered my paper and had a few meetings already
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<Xach>
jasom: ah. for me, tramp had too much latency, and i had trouble getting the translation to work. i've found it simpler to use a remote emacs with mouse support instead.
<Xach>
it took me until late 2020 to find out that there was a way to get mouse clicks on a remote emacs :(
<jasom>
I suppose over ethernet I could even do X tunneling
<Xach>
i use and like mac GUI emacs, and hate how X emacs looks on a Mac display, and the keys didn't map right and I didn't want to figure it out.
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<Xach>
i don't mind X emacs on a Linux desktop though.
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<Cthulhux>
is Xemacs still developed?
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<Xach>
I don't know. when I wrote "X emacs" I mean GNU Emacs displaying on an X server.
<Xach>
Not through a terminal.
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<recalloc>
Is there any chance of optimization by declaiming an ftype? I want to indicate the intended parameter type (and promised return type if filled), but I don't want it to error if the wrong type is passed in.
<recalloc>
s/error/cause undefined behavior/
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<Bike>
optimizations that use the parameter type information would in general result in undefined behavior if an object of the wrong type is passed in
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<recalloc>
aight, good to know!
<Bike>
e.g., you have (lambda (a b) (+ a b)), you declare that A and B are fixnums - the optimization would be using a fixnum addition routine instead of a general addition routine - you call it with floats, it tries to interpret them as fixnums, problems happen.
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<jackdaniel>
another option would be running an emacs with gui via -X option to ssh (however that would look bad on slow connection)
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<flip214_>
minion: memo for heisig: DANKE!!!
<minion>
Remembered. I'll tell heisig when he/she/it next speaks.
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* |3b|
uses (server-start) and emacsclient -t per ssh for remote lisp dev
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<Krystof>
jasom: they're not in the function namespace, but neither are variables. (invoke-restart '<name>) is not that different from (funcall *<name>*)
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<Josh_2>
ello
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<phoe>
jasom: I have done sshfs rather than tramp
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<phoe>
I have a remote directory like /project/foo/ that contains my lisp code and I sshfs-mount the directory at the same location locally
<phoe>
pros are that no tramp is required, everything works automagically and I can open all the files with all the local editors and such as well
<phoe>
cons are that I'm constrained with regard to where I must place my files on the remote and where I can bind on the local
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<jasom>
phoe: I suppose you could bind-mount /{usr,bin,home,etc} into /remote-hostname/ on the remote and then sshfs mount the remote root to /remote-hostname/ on the local machine
<phoe>
I guess
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<jasom>
would have to set SBCL_HOME appropraitely to get M-. to work on internal sources as well
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<Josh_2>
Converted bout 2000 lines of Python to CL :O
<Josh_2>
just gotta write all the tests to make sure It's not borked. This is a first for me
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<meursault>
What kind of application?
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<Josh_2>
It's the python wrapper of the Olm library
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<Josh_2>
The original python library is apache license 2, obviously I haven't modified or used any of their original code as the code is basically just FFI calls, do I have to use the apache license 2?
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<hjudt>
phoe: sshfs is really slow when having to deal with lots of files, especially with git operations. that's were emacs/tramp shines.
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