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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
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<asarch>
Hey guys, I am trying to "parse" the date from (simple-date:decode-timestamp (simple-date:universal-time-to-timestamp 3609946480)) which is a value like: 2014\n5\n24\n18\n54\n40\n0
<asarch>
However, if I do (loop for valor in (simple-date:decode-timestamp (simple-date:universal-time-to-timestamp 3609946480)) do ...) I get ; Evaluation aborted on #<TYPE-ERROR expected-type: LIST datum: 2014>.
<no-defun-allowed>
That has returned multiple values, not one.
<asarch>
If I do: (format t "The date is: ~d~%" (simple-date:decode-timestamp (simple-date:universal-time-to-timestamp 3609946480))) I only get The date is: 2014
<no-defun-allowed>
And the order of the values is well known; you could use (multiple-value-bind (year month day hour minute second timezone) (decode-timestamp ...) body ...) to bind the values in BODY.
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<no-defun-allowed>
At least, I think the last value is the timezone, I don't remember.
<no-defun-allowed>
Can't you just use decode-universal-time instead of going through SIMPLE-DATE and presumably a Unix timestamp?
<phadthai>
and the loop error is because you useed for-in that expects lists, the for-as-across form can iterate over vectors
<asarch>
(multiple-value-bind (year month day hour minute second) (simple-date:decode-timestamp (simple-date:universal-time-to-timestamp 3609946480)) (format t "The date is: ~d/~d/~d ~d:~d:~d~%" year month day hour minute second))
<beach>
phadthai: But this is not a vector either.
<asarch>
Thank you!
<asarch>
Yeah, that is not a vector
<phadthai>
I may have misread but considered the \n as meaning a string there
<asarch>
Yeah, sorry, sorry :-(
<asarch>
My mistake
<no-defun-allowed>
Then it had better be in double quotes too.
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<beach>
phadthai: Sorry, my bad.
<asarch>
Thank you guys!
<asarch>
Thank you very much! :-)
<asarch>
Have a nice day
<phadthai>
nothing important :)
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<marcoxa>
Hello
<no-defun-allowed>
Hello marcoxa
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<phoe>
hellooooo
<beach>
Hello phoe.
<no-defun-allowed>
Helloooooo phoe.
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<edgar-rft>
not enough ooos
<VincentVega>
Is (ql:quickload 'definer) working for you? I am getting "system not found" error, even though definer is listed on the quicklisp releases page.
<no-defun-allowed>
(implode (append '(h e l l) '#1=(o . #1#)))
<VincentVega>
*for you -> for anyone
<phoe>
VincentVega: what is your QL dist version?
<no-defun-allowed>
Have you updated the Quicklisp dist recently? I see it was added this month.
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<phoe>
try a tactical (ql:update-all-dists) before retrying
<VincentVega>
let me try that
<no-defun-allowed>
Changes from quicklisp 2020-12-20 to quicklisp 2021-01-24: New projects: .... definer-20210124-git ....
<VincentVega>
gotcha, the project lives since 2004, so didn't expect that : ) thanks phoe, no-defun-allowed
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<edgar-rft>
definer may be finer but defun is more fun
<VincentVega>
edgar-rft: in definer you could do (def fun), defun is more like un
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<marcoxa>
@VincentVinga not sure why "definer" is not working on quicklisp.
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<marcoxa>
Ok. I see it was a snag with the quicklisp distro.
<marcoxa>
BTW. I am looking for helpers on my projects... (Plus the bits and pieces I am working on in my spare time)
<VincentVega>
marcoxa: You are the dev? Cool, so I am looking through it, I gather there isn't a def method (setf smth) yet?
<beach>
marcoxa: Are you planning to pay those helpers, or are you looking for volunteers?
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<VincentVega>
marcoxa: so, about the defmethod (setf slot-name), did you have any reservations about not including it yet?
<marcoxa>
Not sure. It is probably just a slip. Care to make a proposal? Just make a branch in the repository and add it.
<marcoxa>
I believe I was just a bit wary of using CONSes for names just in case you wanted to add extra "declaration" thingies.
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<VincentVega>
marcoxa: I think if the library doesn't specialize on list/cons explicitly, then the user can specialize on it in their code without overriding anything to add anything extra.
<VincentVega>
marcoxa: Ok! I will just familiarize myself a bit more with the library, but I will branch it and make the amends to it that I think would be good. I guess I can contact you on right there on gitlab in case of any questions?
<marcoxa>
Issues on the repository are better. I drop by here not that often.
<VincentVega>
marcoxa: Sure.
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<lisp-newbee-1357>
hi, can anyone recommend between radiance and caveman2?
<lisp-newbee-1357>
Can I use them for a regular angular app in the front end? What is lacking compared to Ruby on Rails in terms of what I need to build an app? I know community and plugins are mentioned, but is there anything besides that which would break a project??
<lisp-newbee-1357>
thanks so much for the help!
<lisp-newbee-1357>
I really want to learn lisp and use it for a project
<lisp-newbee-1357>
So I'm hopping by doing something with it I will learn and become productive
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<devon>
Welcome to #lisp. Never heard of either but I'll take a peek.
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<lisp-newbee-1357>
Thanks :D
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<phoe>
I heard good things about radiance
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<dbotton>
It seems a nice fit - if any one has advice against would love to hear it
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<Bike>
Why don't you just create the clog-toggler directly?
<Bike>
I mean, since clog-toggler is an unordered list, whatever initialization on unordered lists still applies
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<dbotton>
Because that would mean redoing the work of the previous work, ie creating the HTML etc
<dbotton>
Previous work, meaning the parent object
<beach>
We use CHANGE-CLASS a lot in Cleavir.
<beach>
... and SICL.
<dbotton>
I really like the idea, far better then a dangerous cast
<beach>
"cast"?
<Bike>
I mean, if initialization of an unordered-list was through methods on initialize-instance and stuff, they would apply just as well for make-instance on a subclass of an unordered list.
<beach>
There are no casts in Common Lisp as far as I know.
<dbotton>
In other languages upcasting/downcasting
<Bike>
Though it looks like here you're doing some other stuff I'm not familiar enough with the library to understand
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<beach>
dbotton: Most other languages are way more broken than Common Lisp.
<dbotton>
I again am really enjoying it
<beach>
Great!
<dbotton>
Is still hard to get away from typing more
<_death>
dbotton: cool project.. I suggest to create a different package for each tutorial, say clog.tutorial-01 etc. and an asd file that loads them all
<dbotton>
I'll look in to it _death
<dbotton>
My idea was you would run one at a time and look at source (clog:run-tutorial 1) then 2 etc
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<dbotton>
Tutorial 13 does that, shows you how to create your own project using clog with asd etc
<_death>
dbotton: each tutorial could export a run symbol
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<dbotton>
Good point
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<_death>
dbotton: with a separate asd file, clog itself wouldn't depend on its tutorials.. you could still define a clog-user package for quick experimentation
<beach>
dbotton: Top-level comments should have three (or sometimes four) semicolons.
<dbotton>
_death I think also worth giving each tutorial its own url path so all can be accessed same time
<dbotton>
You can currently run each tutorial then after opens browser go to next
<beach>
dbotton: It is very unusual to have blank lines in the middle of a top-level form.
<_death>
dbotton: yeah, that way it provides more clue to the user on how to do that
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<_death>
dbotton: there could be a "master" tutorial with links to the rest, like clim's demodemo ;)
<dbotton>
Beach, can you clarify that for me
<_death>
*mcclim
<beach>
dbotton: You should not have blank lines before (load-css..) in init-toggler.
<beach>
dbotton: And not before ;; Using change-class nor beore new-obj in create-toggler .
<beach>
dbotton: And not before (clog-toggler:activate-toggler).
<beach>
dbotton: And not before (nitialize #'on-new-window).
<beach>
Those blank lines are all inside top-level forms.
<dbotton>
What the one between init-toggler and the let
<beach>
Same.
<beach>
It is highly unusual to have blank lines inside a top-level form. And the signal you send to the person reading your code is not clear.
<dbotton>
Thanks, very appreciated
<dbotton>
I'll look over codebase
<beach>
Pleasure.
<dbotton>
That is a big part, I am trying to get the styles and idioms where can of the language
<beach>
Yes, that's good.
<_death>
if we're into small style suggestions... defclass forms usually place the slots list on its own line, even if it's empty
<engblom>
Please recommend me a minimal web framework that you can get and keep updated through quicklisp.
<dbotton>
I always am in the the small stuff
<engblom>
Something with good documentation
<dbotton>
into
<beach>
engblom: Are you saying you are a volunteer for maintaining such a thing? Or do you just want to use it?
<engblom>
beach: I would want to use a such one.
<beach>
engblom: Then why do you want it to be minimal?
<engblom>
beach: I have been asked to make a simple web gui for configuring fiber connections to the customers of my work place (a small ISP). All it needs is to keep a few settings and to take information from forms and then use that information for running cmd-line instructions.
<engblom>
beach: Because it is a small project, I was thinking that it is perfect for me to learn a bit of lisp at the same time.
<beach>
I see.
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<engblom>
beach: A huge framework would be a bit of an overkill in this case, and it would take away from the real goal: to learn a bit of lisp
<beach>
I think I understand.
<_death>
engblom: personally I don't use any framework.. you can start with just hunchentoot, an html generation library (I like yaclml), and sqlite
<dbotton>
engblom you may want to try my clog project (it is a perfect fit for it) but you should use the GitHub version until next update of quicklisp next month https://github.com/rabbibotton/clog.git
<dbotton>
Thank you all, I will update the codebase after and then try and see about the tutorials running in parallel on different paths
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<fouric>
has anyone bootstrapped ccl on linux-arm before without an existing ccl image (e.g. using sbcl)? i'm trying to bring it up on my raspberry pi, and can build the kernel, but there's no included heap image and the manual appears to assume that you already have a working ccl to get a new one
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<beach>
fouric: Is that even possible to do? I remember rme telling me that it would require some work to make it possible. Though, perhaps someone did the work?
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<fouric>
i'm not sure whether that particular approach is feasible, but i know that at least *several* people have gotten ccl working on the pi *somehow*
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<beach>
OK.
<fouric>
i'm not sure where lispm hangs out but they wrote a post on it using an older ccl: http://lispm.de/ccl
<fouric>
...and it's not clear to me if they already had the image, or what
<fouric>
...but from what you're telling me, building without an existing heap sounds really tricky, so i should look at getting one instead of building from scratch
<beach>
This information is from a few years ago, so it could be stale.
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