<MoeIcenowy>
montjoie: what will happen on kernelci if network driver totally fails?
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<montjoie>
MoeIcenowy: EDONTCARE
<montjoie>
kernelci build and expect a shell after boot
<fALSO>
that kernelci seems awesome
<montjoie>
but I have a test suite ready for it
<montjoie>
I just need to do a PR
<montjoie>
MoeIcenowy: in fact any network problem could be found only if it kernel panic, or delay the boot enough to a timeout
<montjoie>
fun fact: that was the original reason of my interest in kernelci
<montjoie>
because it didnt detect breakage of stmmac
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<megi>
I've reported the H6 eth problem to the authorities, so hopefully someone will notice something ;)
<Nemo_bis>
:o
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<megi>
And it's fixed
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<megi>
btw, just blowing air (even slowly, I run 12V fan at 7V or so) on the Orange Pi 3 board solves all thermal problems, no need for even a small heatsink
<megi>
I compiled mesa to try panfrost, and temp howered around 65°C all the time through
<megi>
pretty cool :)
<wens>
a 15x15x15mm heatsink passively cooling seems ok as well
<megi>
anyone tried some overclocking?
<megi>
yeah, passively it will sometimes downclock to 1.4GHz or so and stay at ~75°C
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<megi>
hmm, h6 manual is missing electrical characteristics section
<megi>
ah, their 80 page datasheet has it
<megi>
hmm, I'm already running it slightly overclocked/volted, as maximum recommended voltage for CPU is 1.08V, but I run it at 1.16V@1.8GHz. Abs. max. is 1.3V.
<fALSO>
megi, that h6 problem that you reported is already fixed?
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<fALSO>
man.... so quick :-D
<megi>
which one? ethernet?
<fALSO>
13:45 < megi> I've reported the H6 eth problem to the authorities, so hopefully someone will notice something ;)
<fALSO>
14:50 < megi> And it's fixed
<megi>
yes
<fALSO>
1hour
<fALSO>
hehe
<megi>
fixed :) - [PATCH net] net: stmmac: Do not cut down 1G modes
<fALSO>
in sunxi-next?
<megi>
no, just on the mailing list
<fALSO>
ahhh
<fALSO>
ok
<MoeIcenowy>
megi: is panfrost working now on T720 on arm64?
<megi>
it's blacklisted in mesa
<MoeIcenowy>
interesting
<megi>
if I whitelist it does something, but screen is black and dmesg is full of TODOs
<megi>
when I try to run sway
<MoeIcenowy>
I remember alyssa mentioned that there's now some weird assumption on gallium panfrost
<MoeIcenowy>
it sasumes T6xx/7xx is running on 32-bit platform
<MoeIcenowy>
T8xx is running on 64-bit platform
<megi>
that was removed, it's all 64bit
<MoeIcenowy>
it's solved?
<megi>
I dunno, I've just tried for the first time to compile mesa and this info is something I gathered by watching mesa commit logs for last few months
<wens>
IIRC it was one of the recent commits
<megi>
yes
<MoeIcenowy>
to be honest I never really tried panfrost
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<MoeIcenowy>
although I tried lima
<megi>
lima also has some recent interesting changes
<megi>
but I haven't tried it yet
<MoeIcenowy>
it's still not glamor-capable
<megi>
maybe sway is too much
<fALSO>
o tried lima on 5.2
<megi>
I might try to run something simpler
<wens>
panfrost isn't glamor-capable either
<fALSO>
tried on es2something mark
<fALSO>
saw a 3d horse spinning :-P
<MoeIcenowy>
I must admit that I'm a conservative X11 user
<megi>
:)
<fALSO>
at 800x600
<fALSO>
a bigger resolution doesnt seem to work
<MoeIcenowy>
and I don't believe Wayland now
<fALSO>
and it only works on the console
<MoeIcenowy>
fALSO: when did you test this?
<fALSO>
inside xorg it craps out
<fALSO>
a week ago moeicenowy
<MoeIcenowy>
and what SoC are you using?
<fALSO>
on my orange pi pc
<fALSO>
H3
<fALSO>
i saw that LIMA was integrated in the kernel
<MoeIcenowy>
oh why a bigger resolution doesn't work?
<fALSO>
and wanted to try it out ;-)
<MoeIcenowy>
I think this should be solved for a long time
<fALSO>
moeicenowy, im not sure but probably because of my hueg monitor
<MoeIcenowy>
what git tree are you using for mesa?
<fALSO>
:-X
<MoeIcenowy>
fALSO: at least I have 1920x1080 PineBook
<MoeIcenowy>
but maybe you're really old -- when my family bought the first PC (when I'm <2 yrs old) it has Pentium III and 64MiB RAM
<fALSO>
so pretty
* willmore
is not really old, just sorta old...
<wens>
lol
<wens>
I first played with a 486, took it apart, and broke the disk interface board lol
<buZz>
:)
<fALSO>
lol
<fALSO>
36 here
<willmore>
Fortunately thise are cheap, wens.
<fALSO>
starting to get old
<willmore>
Pretty much just a latch.
<buZz>
my first 'pc' used cassette tapes and hogged the TV
<willmore>
buZz, same
<fALSO>
buzz, zx spectrum 48k?
<buZz>
Sharp MZ721
<willmore>
C64
<buZz>
all similar platforms
<fALSO>
ahh you guys are not european
<wens>
willmore: are they?
<buZz>
i am european
<fALSO>
the zx spectrum was THE THING in europe
<MoeIcenowy>
oh I'm too young to have used a 8-bit PC
<buZz>
zx spectrum isnt european
<buZz>
just british
<buZz>
most friends here had a c64
<fALSO>
i know, but it was the most used, at least in portugal
<fALSO>
and spain
<buZz>
or c128 , or a amiga
<megi>
I played with i486 too, but didn't break it, ma I less of a hacker? ;)
<fALSO>
never playd with a C64
<fALSO>
i still have 486
<fALSO>
i still have 486 dx2 100mhz
<buZz>
fALSO: ok, they never really became popular in netherlands
<fALSO>
a DIGITAL
<buZz>
dx4 100mhz
<fALSO>
or that
<fALSO>
;-P
<wens>
megi: I was a kid when I did that. probably stray static dischard fried the thing
<fALSO>
it has netbsd
<buZz>
there was no dx2 100mhz ;)
<willmore>
wens, ISA to IDE was just a couple of latches and a simple address decoder to run the CS of the latches, IIRC.
<megi>
fALSO: I had 50MHz overclocked to 66MHz with some jumper
<MoeIcenowy>
although I learned how to wire up 8-bit ISA in university :-(
<buZz>
fALSO: i -think- dx4 100mhz is -just- fast enough to decode stereo 128kbps mp3 in realtime
<MoeIcenowy>
so old lesson
<willmore>
Oh, let's not play "who's got the oldest PC". :)
<megi>
:D
<wens>
willmore: it was a huge vesa board with a lot of components. I doubt it was just some latches. :)
<buZz>
i still have mp3s i encoded on a 486 dx4 120mhz
<fALSO>
buzz, lol
<buZz>
took over 5 hrs per song
<fALSO>
i dont have a sound card on it
<willmore>
wens, ahh, a VLB board.
<MoeIcenowy>
so does any one have old enough ARM processors here? ;-)
<buZz>
fALSO: tssk
<fALSO>
just a 3com network card
<fALSO>
that has 3 KINDS of connectors
<fALSO>
BNC, ETHERNET
<buZz>
MoeIcenowy: i had a acorn but gifted it away
<fALSO>
and one that looks like the joystick ports
<buZz>
ARMv1
<fALSO>
of the old sound cards
<willmore>
MoeIcenowy, how old?
<buZz>
fALSO: AUX
<wens>
buZz: the old encoders weren't very good
<willmore>
fALSO, AUI?
<fALSO>
its an ISA card, and you need to boot up a FLOPPY with dos to configure the connector to use ;-)
<buZz>
wens: thank god i just listen to punkrock then
<MoeIcenowy>
willmore: I think the buZz one is old enough ;-)
<buZz>
;)
<fALSO>
and the IRQ and DMA ports
<fALSO>
hehehe
<buZz>
oh yes, AUI
<fALSO>
after that it works ok in linux
<fALSO>
ISAPNPTOOLS
<wens>
buZz: :) IIRC VBR came on the scene awhile later
<fALSO>
it probably no longer boots linux
<MoeIcenowy>
BTW seems that RISC OS now have some support for sunxi?
<willmore>
MoeIcenowy, agreed. I have a VIA (?) one, but I think that's v2
<fALSO>
i saw something aboyut they removing old hardware support
<fALSO>
maybe ISA has been removed
<wens>
fALSO: NE2k clones?
<buZz>
wens: yeah fraunhofer didnt implement it in the leaked encoder :)
<buZz>
boo
<fALSO>
wens, its a 3COM
<wens>
fALSO: so, better then :)
<MoeIcenowy>
GCC9 remove ARMv2 support...
<buZz>
wens: but at least that fraunhofer encoder was better then Xing's
<MoeIcenowy>
which is used by Amber open-source processor
<buZz>
my god, how horrible that sounded
<fALSO>
gcc also removed the support for a old machine that i have
<fALSO>
:(
<fALSO>
i HAVE an SGI O2
<fALSO>
with IRIX
<buZz>
nice
<fALSO>
gcc stoped supporting IRIX a few releases ago
<wens>
buZz: I don't remember ripping CDs that old
<fALSO>
theres a guy backporting it now ;-D
* mru
has an octane
<fALSO>
megi, NICE!
<montjoie>
indigo2 R10k!
<buZz>
wens: i do ;)
<mru>
dual cpu!
* willmore
has a stack of Indys
<megi>
fALSO: I liked the turbo button :)
<megi>
kind of magical
<megi>
push a button and your PC is slower
<wens>
that's x86 backward compatibility for you lol
<wens>
fALSO: SGI sounds expensive
* willmore
used an 8088 with a board stuck in the back that had a pot as part of a VFO that let you tune the clock speed live.
<montjoie>
willmore: my secret goal is to add some SGI to kernelci...
<wens>
willmore: what happens when you turn it to 11?
<fALSO>
wens, it was going to the trash
<fALSO>
i saved it
<willmore>
wens, machine locks up or you silently get corruption of your data.
<fALSO>
as i did for the powerpcs
<willmore>
montjoie, if you need a tester...
<fALSO>
i also saved a SPARC, that i gave to a friend
* willmore
has no SPARC, but does have HPPA and Alpha
<fALSO>
and an ALPHA but make weird noises in the PSU when i tried to powerit up :-P
<willmore>
No Itanium
<montjoie>
my second secret goal is to add my sparcs...
<fALSO>
the sparc that i gave away
<fALSO>
had a very cool thing
<fALSO>
that i never saw before
<fALSO>
it had a card, like a PCI card
<fALSO>
that was a FULL x86 computer
<montjoie>
fALSO: I own it also:)
<fALSO>
motherboard, cpu, ram, gfx card
<willmore>
fALSO, meh, the Alpha's software emulated it. :)
<montjoie>
I dreamed to do the driver for it...
<fALSO>
it allowed to run DOS DEMOS on the SPARC
<montjoie>
but no datasheet
<fALSO>
my fried managed to get it working
<montjoie>
fALSO: on linux ?
<fALSO>
i wasnt able to pwer it on
<fALSO>
because it needed a special SUN keyboard
<fALSO>
:-P
<fALSO>
montjoie, nah
<fALSO>
on SLOWLARIS
<montjoie>
argh
<fALSO>
i doubt that will ever work in linux
<fALSO>
its a very......... SPECIAL THING
<fALSO>
and exhotic
<fALSO>
hehehe
<montjoie>
I have two cards like that...
<fALSO>
nice
<montjoie>
lets try to contact sun to release the datasheet a ha hah
<fALSO>
LOL
<fALSO>
LOL LOL OLOL
<fALSO>
triple lolz
<megi>
so much excitement, If you guys ever get to teaching computer classes, I bet the next generation will again know all about EGA/VGA/CGA, and what a parallel port is
<wens>
montjoie: you'll run into a bunch of lawyers
<megi>
;)
<willmore>
I gave my son the history of display ports lecture a few days ago.
<wens>
megi: I only know VGA (facepalm
<fALSO>
i'm verry crapy at trying to explain stuff
<fALSO>
i get enraged if people dont understand me
<fALSO>
i should work on that
<wens>
I don't miss the old x86 hardware though
<willmore>
fALSO, yes.
<montjoie>
my son(6y) asked for a computer, what can I give him ? the sparc, the sgi, or a 286 ?
<fALSO>
montjoie, :-PPPPPPPPPPPPPPp
<megi>
:D
<fALSO>
the kids just want mobiles/tablets
<willmore>
montjoie, scratch
<fALSO>
with angry birds
<montjoie>
first lesson, be more precise in what you want!
<willmore>
scratch is pretty good to teach structure and logic.
<fALSO>
im also thinking about that
<willmore>
montjoie, that's engineering. :0
<fALSO>
having a kid
<fALSO>
forking falso.git
<willmore>
fALSO, don't? ;)
<fALSO>
well.... we all need someone to take care of us
<fALSO>
when we get old ;-)
<willmore>
fALSO, robots.
<willmore>
build a robot.
<fALSO>
LOL
<willmore>
way fewer diapers.
<megi>
oil?
<wens>
batteries
<willmore>
much easier to change.
<fALSO>
megi,
<fALSO>
montjoie,
<fALSO>
i also have a few expensive CARDS for THE SGI O2
<fALSO>
from a TV channel
<fALSO>
that were going to the trash
<fALSO>
i dont even have drivers for them for IRIX
<willmore>
fALSO, nope, that's not what I was thinking of. I can run those by my BIL and see what he remembers. He's ex-SGI.
<willmore>
Better pics would help a lot. I can't make out any of the text.
<fALSO>
willmore, theres a IRIX/SGI discord
<fALSO>
i posted those images there
<fALSO>
i had like 20 private chats
<fALSO>
of people wanted to give me money
<fALSO>
for that stuff
<willmore>
fALSO, okay, I'll point that out to him.
<fALSO>
LOL
<willmore>
lol
<fALSO>
they were salivating with the ram modules
<willmore>
I think he divested himself of all SGI hardware, so you're safe with him. :)
<willmore>
Understood, old memory is hard to come by.
<willmore>
Shall we return linux-sunxi back to sunxi related business? ;)
<maz>
looks like the back of an O2.
<fALSO>
yes
<jernej>
MoeIcenowy: Sorry for the noise, my box has 8x 4Gb chips, which is correctly detected as 4 GiB. Issue with 8x 2Gb detected as 4GiB is indeed driver fault, but it's not my STB. Maybe my half DQ patch will help in this case.