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<Deskwizard> for what its worth, the A31 sdk seem to be better structured than the A20 sdk was
<Deskwizard> mripard: let me know when you have a moment, I'd like to discuss A31 audio mainline
<Deskwizard> if you want to
<wens> Deskwizard: how do you intend to structure it?
<Deskwizard> wens: jumping the gun here, I'm not there yet ;)
<Deskwizard> all I know is what's on the mainline effort page hence me asking mripart
<Deskwizard> mripard*
<wens> nevermind, the hardware is not as complicated as i thought :)
<Deskwizard> wens: thats good news for me then hehe
<wens> the diagram is just drawing separate lines for left and right channels
<wens> unlike the a20, where it was combined
<Deskwizard> I see
<Deskwizard> glancing at the datasheet as we speak
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<KotCzarny> catphish: in the case of sata testing read+write speed is tricky, because device itself limits such combination
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<KotCzarny> one could test with port multiplier (which i dont have)
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<codekipp1r> Deskwizard: Hi, I've got some wip sun6/8 audio drivers somewhere I can dig out
<Deskwizard> codekipp1r: nice thanks, I'll ask when I get there :)
<codekipp1r> my A31 hardware is a bit of a pain to work with so it's slowely moved to the bottom of the pile
<Deskwizard> codekipp1r: I'm scared mine will be as well hehe, cheap tablet I picked up second hand, saw allwinner A31s, figured it was worth a try
<Deskwizard> even just for play hehe
<codekipp1r> I'm trying to recall is the A31 has a seperate analog block like the H3
<Deskwizard> I think so
<Deskwizard> actually, im pretty sure
<codekipp1r> any effort in that area is appreciated...do you have a serial connection
<Deskwizard> you mean digital vs analog audio?
<Deskwizard> audio paths*
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<Deskwizard> (keep in mind I probably will use the wrong vocabulary at some point, please correct me)
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<codekipp1r> just wondering if you've got a serial terminal connection to the tablet so you can debug?
<Deskwizard> yeah I spotted one when I disasembled it
<Deskwizard> first thing I looked for hehe
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<wens> codekipp1r: somehow i remember sun6i and sun8i were different
<codekipp1r> that's the first hurdle over..I could only fel boot my A31
<wens> sun8i is an i2s interface + internal audio codec + analog controls
<codekipp1r> yeah they are but that both have this seperate block
<wens> separate block for?
<wens> yay, usb on a83t works
<codekipp1r> for the analog controls...I think it's done via the prcm
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<wens> i remember seeing them in the a23
<wens> don't know about a31
<Deskwizard> well I know the digital and analog audio path are different (if I read the datasheet right)
<Deskwizard> know = think
<codekipp1r> oohhh..maybe I'm getting mixed up with the A23...
<codekipp1r> I'll visit the datasheets again
<wens> afaik sun8i and later are different due to the separation
<wens> and a80/a83t/h3 just moved the whole codec out
<codekipp1r> Ah yeah....it's similar to the A10/A20
<Deskwizard> wens: the latest chips, are good are they performance wise?
<wens> Deskwizard: i've not done benchmarks
<wens> but given the pricing, don't expect too much
<Deskwizard> wens: your impressions will do ;)
<Deskwizard> aight, thanks
<Deskwizard> lol
<Deskwizard> I just want one to hold up to the latest amlogic so I can have a good reason NOT to buy a odroid-c2 lol
<codekipp1r> wens: how easy was it to get serial data out of your A23 tablet?
<wens> codekipp1r: you mean uart?
<codekipp1r> was it a case of changing the fex and then using the sdcard card breakout board?
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<codekipp1r> yep
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<codekipp1r> I've got one here that I've never used...soldered some cables to what looked like the chatter points but never connected it up
<wens> Deskwizard: well, they are kind of slow, given the cortex-a7 is in-order-execution and stuff
<wens> codekipp1r: the contact points are the board are likely for r_uart
<Deskwizard> wens: mkay, wouldnt have thought they ALL were still A7 but hey, I learned :)
<wens> Deskwizard: only the a80 has cortex-a15s, but that depends on SMP code to bring them up
<codekipp1r> How did you boot your tablet....fel or sdcard?
<wens> codekipp1r: i started with fel, until someone got the whole mainline u-boot working
<wens> now it's mainline everything w/ sdcard
<mripard> Deskwizard: hi
<wens> so, no breakout board lol
<codekipp1r> \m/
<Deskwizard> Hi mripard, thanks for taking the time
<Deskwizard> mripard: I was just curious as per the state of the analog audio on A31(s) basically
<Deskwizard> on mainline
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<Deskwizard> Hi IgorPec
<wens> allwinner's code seems to imply usb otg dma is fixed on a33 and later
<codekipp1r> so if I took the mainline uboot and kernel I should be able to put together an image that will boot with framebuffers
<codekipp1r> I'll suck it and see.....can't be no harm in that
<wens> codekipp1r: the q8 tablet defconfigs / dts should work just fine :)
<Deskwizard> that might be a stupid question but I'm still gonna ask... how does one go to add something to the wiki ?
<codekipp1r> Deskwizard: If it's a new page then just add the title into the url
<Deskwizard> codekipp1r: edit to existing page, I'd add my device to the A31s list and my name as A31s owner
<Deskwizard> codekipp1r: also, the current firmware on my tab lists SDK version 4.6, not 4.5, might just be manufacturer playing with numbers though
<codekipp1r> dump all the info into the wiki once an account is created and let's take it from there
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<Deskwizard> alright :)
<mripard> Deskwizard: non-existent, mostly :)
<Deskwizard> mripard: lol alright
<Deskwizard> :| ah I think that tablet used a custom SDK from allwinner...
<Deskwizard> some documents mention "large production" for ap6210 support
<Deskwizard> *growls*
<Deskwizard> meh, I'll manage
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<Deskwizard> # cedarX crack lib so
<Deskwizard> uhm.. wonder what those libs do
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<wens> crap... 2-stage debootstrap is broken
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<cosm_> wens: linaro publishes prebuilt ubuntu root file systems, if that helps
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<wens> i'm running debian, but thanks though :)
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<mark5> I'm having some problems with bluetooth stack/hardware. I'm running a script on a A10 board that continuously performs bluetooth inquiries, and after some time (say, 1 to 5 days) it exits because the hci0 device is 'down'. Hciconfig hci0 reset shows "Can't init device hci0: Connection timed out (110)". The only thing that resolves this is a reboot... I can recompile the kernel with debugging things enabled, but where do I start?
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<Deskwizard> mark5: anything in the logs about BT before it exits ?
<mark5> Deskwizard: There doesn't seem to be anything useful, just "hci0 command tx timeout"
<Deskwizard> mark5: kinda not usefull it takes that long... I was about to say try it on a regular computer see if it hangs after the same time, maybe its the adapter itself
<Deskwizard> and a question of mine... Boot_1 vs Boot_2 ?
<Deskwizard> v1 vs v2 I mean, sorry
<mark5> Deskwizard: I'm not sure what you mean with v1/v2
<Deskwizard> mark5: that was a question of my own, unrelated to your issue, sorry I tend to jump around a bit
<mark5> Ah. :)
<Deskwizard> but yeah... it can be 3 things basically (your issue)
<Deskwizard> 1) something with the hardware, host side
<Deskwizard> 2) the adapter
<Deskwizard> 3) your code is wrong
<Deskwizard> I'm usually in category 3 myself lol
<Deskwizard> * 1) hardware or software, like kernel side
<Deskwizard> Uhm, even google comes up empty handed on the boot_v1.0 vs boot_v2.0 thing...
<Deskwizard> only link is that http://wenku.baidu.com/view/83c89aec680203d8ce2f2491.html?re=view and it wont load with translate :|
<Deskwizard> u-boot is quite different... for lib nand 2 maybe?
<Deskwizard> In function ‘sun6i_fixup’: .... thats reassuring lol
<Deskwizard> I should have paid attention when you guys were talking about it... sorry
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<Deskwizard> Wow... Wifi password saved in clear text
<Deskwizard> *slow clap* good job AW.
<ssvb> Deskwizard: sure, some sort of a trivial base64 encoding would have made it so much more secure!
<Deskwizard> aight, got it.
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<jelly> Deskwizard: it's actually in double-rot13
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<mark5> How stable is sunxi-next?
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<Deskwizard> mark5: depends on the device and the end use
<mark5> DeskWizard: A10, 24/7 production. Yeah, that kinda answers my own question..
<Deskwizard> mark5: headless?
<Deskwizard> mark5: for more info, http://linux-sunxi.org/Mainlining_Effort
<mark5> Deskwizard: yes
<Deskwizard> mark5: Id suggest armbian with mainline, should be best match as far as I know
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<codekipp1r> Deskwizard: I've added this to my repo https://github.com/codekipper/linux-sunxi/commits/audio_for_next
<codekipp1r> I've not touched it for months but there should be some wip drivers for the A31 and H3 audio blocks
<codekipp1r> and loads of other stuff I was fannying around with
<Deskwizard> codekipp1r: I see, thanks :)
<Deskwizard> at least I'll know where to head
<codekipp1r> I will try and get back to refactoring that branch as some of it was been delivered/removed
<codekipp1r> it's something....
<Deskwizard> Unless I get really lucky* I won't be able to test PCM or I2S, but analog audio I should be able to
<Deskwizard> I think all the "non-sunxi" hw drivers I need are mainlined
<codekipp1r> I doubt you 'll be able to test i2s on a tablet...I've only seen 1 device using i2s in the wild
<Deskwizard> codekipp1r: the * on lucky meant if somehow I can get to the pins
<Deskwizard> which is a pretty massive if
<Deskwizard> working on the device page atm
<Deskwizard> my build env seems to be working
<Deskwizard> I'll probably upgrade the display if the one I bought for my A20 board isnt too much of a pain to plug and if it fits obviously
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<Deskwizard> but yeah, even for A31s I think this thing is build down to a price, more fun for me to have hehe
<Deskwizard> at some point I think I'll need a bit more details on how all the display works (unrelated to previous statement)
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<Rambler44> So Amlogic S905 is yet again using an aged GPU (5 core Mali-450MP), but what is the VPU here?
<Rambler44> Just looking at ODRIOD C2 specs, nothing more.
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<KotCzarny> isnt the whole 'gpu' topic in linux moot?
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<KotCzarny> unless someone invents a way to use it for stuff
<Rambler44> useless
<Rambler44> Since all the hype about using this in android TV boxes or so on with Android
<Rambler44> I was just wondering what the heck stands for hardware/other decode? CPU?
<Rambler44> Surely not Mali
<Rambler44> It was said to be 4K because it will have HDMI 2.0 but at 60Hz I think you can just forget it.
<KotCzarny> long time ago arm added specialized dsp chips
<KotCzarny> 'cores'
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<KotCzarny> but unless one can write libs to use them, not much of a help
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<Rambler44> Uhm, uh, no VPU?
<Rambler44> or cores
<Rambler44> Whatever those are good for...
<Rambler44> probably nothing
<KotCzarny> according to this is has some 'HW' for media
<Rambler44> So finally 28nm?
<Rambler44> Because I've seen a lot of people lie about this. But seeing its 2 GHz over the 1 GHz I can see a slice in nm.
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<Rambler44> I wonder if RISC ever will be any good for I/O operations?
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<Rambler44> I can see why Allwinner can be good for a cheap NAS, but will these ever be good enough to handle it all. Like the A20 with SATA, now can you really make full advantage of that native port?
<Rambler44> I just smell huge CPU usage when using I/O on these
<apritzel> Rambler44: Allwinner is not for NAS, Allwinner makes chips for cheap tablets and set-top boxes
<apritzel> I/O performance is not important, hence the SoCs simply are not designed for it
<Rambler44> Yeah, but they are put into development boards, which some people want to use for NAS because they are cheap.
<apritzel> that's another story ;-)
<Rambler44> I almost cried when I saw Owncloud use Raspberry Pi 1 for a NAS
<KotCzarny> :)
<Rambler44> The abomination can't do more than 60Mbps on full load
<KotCzarny> but works
<Rambler44> hit it with encryption
<KotCzarny> and someone probably can use it
<apritzel> Rambler44: and what "RISC" were you referring to above?
<Rambler44> and tadaa 16Mbps
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<Rambler44> I was thinking that maybe RISC is worse than CISC for I/O
<apritzel> there is no RISC vs. CISC anymore
<Rambler44> My level of understanding only goes so far, I was thinking the instruction set or in so.
<Rambler44> No?
<apritzel> if you think of ARM vs. x86, there are ARM chips which provide huge I/O performance
<Rambler44> Probably not Allwinner
<apritzel> it's just that they don't cost 5 US$ ;-)
<apritzel> well, you get what you pay for ...
<Rambler44> But all of them are just the same old ARM core licensee stuff
<Rambler44> Or have I mistaken to some point?
<apritzel> show me a compete Intel board for 20-30 US$ which has a decent I/O performance
<Rambler44> Like Allwinner top box can allow for native USB 2.0 ports and attach a 1Gbps PHY
<Rambler44> Sounds impossible
<apritzel> Rambler44: the core has not much to do with I/O performance
<apritzel> it's the internal bus, really
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<KotCzarny> apritzel, so it's basically some internal bus getting stuffed? (regarding eth/sata bottleneck)
<apritzel> sure
<Rambler44> I seem to recall that mr tkaiser over here did some tests on H3
<apritzel> the bandwidth of that is severely limited for cost reasons
<Rambler44> Something 100 MB/s sequential read
<Rambler44> Wouldn't that be able to handle at least a 100Mbps etg to the full extent.
<apritzel> this is the idea of the ARM business: the vendors provide a SoC _taylored_ for some particular use case
<KotCzarny> idea: all in one benchmark tool to add info on device pages
<apritzel> and Allwinner taylors them to be cheap and good enough for tablets
<KotCzarny> Rambler44: tkaiser test was 3x usb raid
<KotCzarny> or something similar (combined performance)
<Rambler44> And you also have architectural licensees, like Snapdragon, where they design their own cores.
<KotCzarny> which single sata port on a10/a20 already reached (not on write tho)
<Rambler44> Doesn't matter, even 20 MB/s should be able to handle the 100Mbps NIC right?
<Rambler44> Its not like you want read performance beyond the capabilities of the NIC, well, depends on what you do.
<KotCzarny> 100mbps == ~12MB/s
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<Rambler44> Exactly
<Rambler44> Well, I heard RPi 2 should do it, well, without encryption that is.
<Rambler44> So for 100Mbps NAS there you go, perfect cheap choice.
<KotCzarny> well, a20 should be fine for such use, even with encryption, but one shall do the tests first
<KotCzarny> type 16 bytes 64 bytes 256 bytes 1024 bytes 8192 bytes
<KotCzarny> aes-256 cbc 6325.42k 13264.02k 13650.19k 13741.12k 13764.75k
<Rambler44> I know, due to the nature of Allwinner support its probably a good choice to pick old ones and rely on community support.
<KotCzarny> but my cpu is downclocked to ~800mhz
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<Rambler44> Is there even any point in picking quad core over dual core?
<KotCzarny> pity hw crypto is broken :/
<apritzel> Rambler44: if you care about NAS performance you should actually pick a NAS chip, like the Marvells
<KotCzarny> rambler44: regarding core, 1 core bound to eth/usb, 1 core bound to sata/usb, if system has to do anything else, you should choose 4 cores
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<Rambler44> Tell me where to buy that from a store that ships internationally for a reasonable amount and can bypass VAT of 25%, most likely nowhere. At that point of time I'd rather buy a dock specifically designed for NAS and suddenly the whole idea of low cost NAS has vanished beyond any small budget
<Rambler44> Which is why some cheap crap companies like OPi managed to sell over 6000 units of whatever bad board.
<Rambler44> They ship it with dirt cheap Chinese Registered Air Mail
<Rambler44> and the amount goes beyond taxation, it's ridicilous.
<Rambler44> It could be possible if any electronic brands actually take in the devices, but that's highly unlikely.
<Rambler44> I should be happy they even get RPi 2 into stock.
<KotCzarny> tme.eu has olimex boards
<Rambler44> Which reminds me, anything from hardkernel would probably be in the same scenario fue to Korea.
<Rambler44> due*
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<Rambler44> But they are Polish, my guess is that since I go outside EU, into the EU economical zone I wonder if they can use the treaty to even import it or I'd be subject to double taxation (which is quite fun)
<KotCzarny> poland and norway are probably in shengen zone, which means no taxation
<Rambler44> Yea, we are.
<KotCzarny> also, olimex is the brand from europe
<KotCzarny> (hungary afair)
<Rambler44> I just know I have to pay tax at toll customs, I don't know yet what they will tax me from Poland but our country has some weird rules.
<KotCzarny> ask your taxation office?
<Rambler44> As far as I know any electronics would be taxed with a taxation fee.
<cosm> KotCzarny: Bulgaria
<KotCzarny> right.
<cosm> Rambler44: I keep hearing people complaining about OPi hardware. What's the deal with that, I didn't notice anything sketchy with mine?
<KotCzarny> cosm: for one, 1.6 cpu marketing scam
<KotCzarny> 1.6ghz
<KotCzarny> a lot of people had troubles when they ran official images
<Rambler44> cosm there is a chance they don't bother QC and it can come faulty and whatnot to save money.
<KotCzarny> another thing, my usb devices sometimes dont get detected on boot (reconnecting fixes it)
<Rambler44> Sometimes lucky sometimes not
<Rambler44> It's like buying the best cheap IMEI from Xiaomi
<Rambler44> Some hybrid earbuds sound bad others are good
<Rambler44> Sorry IEM*
<Rambler44> $50 board with €16 shipping would only result in $18 tax though, maybe I'm making too big a fuss about nothing.
<Rambler44> thinking about it, OPi is cheaper than the tax...
<Rambler44> KotCzarny I think even the forum images
<Rambler44> I talked to a friend and he immediately discovered the overvolting and changed it
<cosm> I see, thanks
<cosm> I'm running a headless system with an image I've built myself, so I guess I didn't have the chance to run into most of those issues
<KotCzarny> cosm, which board do you have?
<cosm> OPi PC
<KotCzarny> can you run that test and add results?
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<cosm> KotCzarny, yeah, will do
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<Rambler44> The big question is, will anyone do mainline?
<Rambler44> Seems like a ton of work.
<KotCzarny> which is why those boards are so cheap
<KotCzarny> software is almost nonexistent
<Rambler44> Yup, no support whatsoever, cheap Chinese Registered Mail under taxation limit.
<Rambler44> RPi 2 will have the latest kernel for a while to come for instance
<Rambler44> Because they pay someone or ie?
<KotCzarny> key words: 'for a while'
<KotCzarny> does rpi1 have current kernel?
<Rambler44> :)
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<Rambler44> I run kernel 4 on mine
<Rambler44> I didn't really bother to update more for now.
<Rambler44> Stable = no update
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<Rambler44> According to pacman the latest is 4.1.17
<Rambler44> Which I'd say is pretty current right KotCzarny?
<KotCzarny> current is 4.5 (almost)
<Rambler44> Most distributions will still use 3.*
<KotCzarny> 4.1.17 is longterm support
<Rambler44> Oh, I forgot about that.
<Rambler44> Yeah, that's why it's there.
<Rambler44> In the end you are buying something doomed to be abandoned on old kernel
<Rambler44> never to see the light of anything newer
<KotCzarny> as long there are binary blobs, yeah
<KotCzarny> unless device gathers hacker community that REs it
<Rambler44> Highly unlikely
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<Rambler44> Hackers are already having a hard time with this technology, seems interesting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo
<Rambler44> By that I mean this concept in particular "continuously encrypts and decrypts itself so that it is impossible to crack."
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<Deskwizard> o.O
<Deskwizard> impossible today, yeah okay ;) hehe
<Deskwizard> Also, next time, full quote.
<Deskwizard> Denuvo Software Solutions has stated that the technology "does not continuously encrypt and decrypt any data on storage media. To do so would be of no benefit in terms of security or performance." The company has not revealed how Denuvo Anti-Tamper works
<Deskwizard> you forgot that part didnt you ;)
<Deskwizard> I call BS.
<Rambler44> :P You thought it would use HDD?
<Rambler44> It probably does something in RAM
<Rambler44> There is some kind of key crystallographic engine in there
<Deskwizard> last sentence sums it out for me :P
<Rambler44> Well, they sell this to companies so of course.
<Rambler44> It's like HDCP
<Deskwizard> no its not
<Rambler44> HDMI 2.0 was cracked before it even came out because of a loophole that allows to convert HDMI 2.0 to older ones.
<Deskwizard> lol nice, I didnt know that
<Rambler44> It's there to make sure it's safe for the copyright companies and therefore they sued
<Rambler44> But they were in the legal limits xD
<Deskwizard> nice to hear, for once
<Deskwizard> ftw
<Deskwizard> (for the win, not the other one...)
<Rambler44> Not that I care, I just hate when DRM screws with other aspects of something.
<Rambler44> For example my old GPU does not go well with HDCP
<Rambler44> It can miss handshakes each half hour or so
<Rambler44> I managed to throw together a hacky driver that avoids that
<Rambler44> Too off-topic, as an extra note that's why I buy games from gog.com if I ever fancy playing something.
<Deskwizard> last game I bought was Duke Nukem Forever, I think that says it all really.
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<cosm> KotCzarny: so at higher DRAM frequencies, the cube in lima-memtester is not spinning, but the LED keeps blinking for over 10 minutes
<KotCzarny> hrm?
<KotCzarny> ssvb: ^ bug in your script?
<KotCzarny> cosm, my guess is that test fails when cube stops spinning
<ssvb> cosm: do you have a log from the serial console?
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<cosm> ssvb, wow, it's been a while
<cosm> let me find a serial adapter
<ssvb> it is possible that the script itself has crashed before it had a chance to update the LED status
<ssvb> is this reproducible or just happened once?
<cosm> ssvb: it's reproducible
<cosm> but the script crashing makes sense
<cosm> because at lower frequencies it hangs as expected :)
<ssvb> hmm, either way, it will probably not light the red led either
<ssvb> "hangs as expected"?
<cosm> the led stops blinking when the cube stops spinning
<KotCzarny> ssvb, i think you should update led status every few s manually
<KotCzarny> (though i've thought you were doing it that way)
<ssvb> cosm: do you mean that the test already fails gracefully at some lower clock frequencies, but you still keep trying to increase the DRAM clock speed even more to see what happens?
<ssvb> KotCzarny: the kernel code is doing the LED blinking animation
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<cosm> ssvb, I've started at 768MHz, which I was expecting to fail
<cosm> but the LED kept blinking
<ssvb> KotCzarny: and as I already said, the users are expected to wait until the red led lights up, which should be impossible if the script has crashed :-)
<KotCzarny> :)
<KotCzarny> explains, still, results in unexpected state as mentioned above ;)
<ssvb> cosm: we are running code on a potentially (very) unreliable hardware, so we can't really guarantee anything
<cosm> I was expecting the LED to be switched every X iterations of a loop writing, reading and checking the contents of the memory
<cosm> until it fails
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<cosm> but nevertheless, this explains it
<cosm> what are the serial port settings, I'm not getting anything?
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<ssvb> cosm: the serial port settings are the same as on any other allwinner board - http://linux-sunxi.org/UART#Using_the_serial_console
<cosm> hmm, nevermind, 115200 baud works now
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<KotCzarny> cosm: did you update wiki?
<cosm> KotCzarny: I'll let it run overnight
<KotCzarny> which result is most probably stable in your case?
<KotCzarny> (atm)
<cosm> 672 MHz
<KotCzarny> uhum, mine is 648 :/
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<Deskwizard> lol I was wondering about testing ram myself, nice coincidence hehe :)
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<cosm> KotCzarny: it failed after more than an hour at 672
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<Deskwizard> my chenglish isnt too good, just a quick question... does that mean "enable the serial uart debug" or "use that uart port for serial debug" ? > ;cpus_uart_debug_used --r_uart whether used for cpus debugging
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