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<hipboi_> wingrime, thanks
<hipboi_> make 'Cubieboard' CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- :D
<libv> wehey, working mesa-9.1.4
<libv> 4 more checks in configure.ac to go from 9.0.3 to 9.1.4 though
<libv> but porting was straightforwards and easy
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<oliv3r> going dark
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<focus> arokux2: the older one that works with USB is http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/git_show_2013_10_07.txt
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<oliv3r> mornin'
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<arokux2> focus: in the last link ( http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/git_show_2013_10_07.txt ) you show the same kernel as in the broken_usb.txt one.
<arokux2> hipboi_: who are those swift guys?
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<focus> arokux2: I no understand how that could happen - may be i deleted the old one and copied a working one? I was doing so many things I wasn't keeping notes at the time
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<wingrime> hipboi_: ping
<arokux1> focus: yeah, of course, I understand. so you do not know which version is working?
<focus> arokux1: the working version is the older version http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/git_show_2013_10_07.txt
<arokux1> focus: this is however the same as in broken_usb.txt
<focus> its possible i copied that back in after the broken one failed
<focus> and forget to make mental note of it - so i don't remember
<arokux1> focus: you do not git commit to your head?! :)
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<arokux1> mnemoc: 9ee9fc5f0988df5677f0f142b5b88a8988d283d7 <---- this one is present in sunxi-3.4, but not in stage/sunxi-3.4.
<arokux1> focus: let me ask you one more time, I'm not sure I've got it. I understand you copied and forget something, but in the end of the day you have shown me 9ee9fc5f0 two times. so my question is: is that a version where USB works?
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<focus> arokux1: that is working usb - sorry for all the confusion
<arokux1> focus: ok, however I have suspicious that this is not working one.. another user reported this as broken. so check again please another time when you can plugin a mouse of smth.
<focus> arokux1: hmmm.... its possible something more complex is at work
<focus> i check everything again this evening
<focus> the stuff is in my home pc
<focus> and netbook also stayed at home
<arokux1> focus: ok, no problem, be sure to know which hash are you running. thanks.
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<n01> mripard, Turl: ping for the patch
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<Turl> n01: pong
<Turl> n01: what patch?
<n01> Turl: v2 RTC
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<Turl> n01: didn't I review v1? :p
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<n01> yes you did :) that's why I submitted v2
<Turl> n01: ok then, I'll have a look this afternoon after I send v2 of the big clock series :p
<n01> oh btw, can I query you?
<Turl> sure
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<arokux1> Turl: now I know how to organize the ehci/ohci code in mainline :)
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<Bunders_>
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<Turl> arokux1: :D
<arokux1> Turl: what?? :p
<Turl> arokux1: huh?
<arokux1> <Turl> arokux1: :D
<Turl> arokux1: what about it? :p
<Turl> arokux1: that means you'll be sending ehci+ohci patches soon right? :)
<arokux1> Turl: you asked about usb progress
<arokux1> Turl: yeah!
<Turl> arokux1: :D
<arokux1> Turl: isn't it cool? :)
<Turl> arokux1: yeah, that's why :D
<hipboi_> wingrime: pong
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<arokux1> hipboi_: do you know swift guys?
<hipboi_> arokux1, no
<arokux1> hipboi_: have they just cloned cb?
<hipboi_> arokux1, their first is version not a cb clone
<hipboi_> not sure why the second is like cb
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<Bunders_> Sorry if this is a daft question but does anyone know if there is a way to sync Camera Sensor CSI_IF_B to an external clock of 28MHz or is the image source expected to sync to an Allwinner generated clock?
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<Bunders> Can you just #define MCLK (28*1000*1000)?
<Bunders> Even though the doc says "The unit of MCLK is Hz, and it is set to 24MHz or 12MHz"
<Bunders> I would just try it and see what happens but I have no hardware.
<Bunders> Maybe I can borrow some
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<Turl> rm: ping
<Turl> rm: is your minimal debian "server" image armel or armhf?
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<wingrime> mnemoc: PING
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<libv> hrm, could it be that the known udev rules stopped working under raring?
<rm> Turl, armhf
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<libv> hah
<libv> and then i changed the .conf suffix to .rules
<Turl> libv: I've been bit a bunch of times by wrong suffix on multipart configs :p
<libv> i claim temporary idiocy ;p
<libv> ah, it also has a README in there...
<libv> so yes, it does need to have a .rules suffix
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<mnemoc> wingrime:
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<libv> oh wow
<libv> translations of howtos on linux-sunxi
<libv> popolon: how is that going to help anyone?
<libv> it's bad enough keeping the international howtos correct and up to date
<popolon> That's not me that started to make translation...
<popolon> ask to them :)
<popolon> in my case this help me, a little, could help other, and help me to improve the documentation by first writing it in my native language
<popolon> => faster
<popolon> and backport it after
<popolon> french people are generally really bad in foreign language
<libv> popolon: is google translate not able to help out there?
<popolon> often google translate, translate by the inverse of the original meaning
<popolon> that's a crap
<libv> popolon: i am stating this as a belgian who has lived in germany for more than 6 years: it is time that the french adapt
<popolon> the other time, it translated chinese word for search by english found....
<popolon> libv, still need at least 20 years
<popolon> the young generations start to learn foreign langauges younger now (english or chinese generally)
<libv> the germans are bad at english, because they overdub everything (instead of using subtitles)
<libv> but world politics of last century left them a bit less nationalistic
<popolon> the same for french
<popolon> the french are still too nationastic too, I suppose, and the level of education is more and more bad
<popolon> 1 teacher for about 40 students
<popolon> in little school
<libv> the french are worse than the germans, part of it is the still existent chauvinism, part of it is that french is a different language group
<popolon> primary school
<popolon> yes
<libv> s/existent/existant/
<popolon> and lot of french word are in english
<libv> subtitles on the tv and in cinemas, that really changes everything
<popolon> so there is lot of faux-amis and the impossibility for some to pronunce the english way, and then, the feeling they are really bad at languages and don't want to learn anymore
<popolon> I agree, I look chinese TV/film with only chinese subtitles :D
<libv> when i was about to watch the latest bond, and i met a friend, by accident, at the food court, i went into this usual rant of mine
<popolon> sometime mandarin dubbing, but I don't like dubbing at all
<libv> and i then had to ask him whether there are subtitles in the original versions of (some of) the films i watch here in nuernberg
<libv> it doesn't register with me that they are there, or that they are missing
<popolon> sometimes I fell that's easier for me than for chinese themself to understand mandarin dialects
<popolon> even if my vocabulary is still low
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<libv> and this is true for all small language groups
<libv> popolon: so you are able to read chinese characters?
<popolon> a little yes
<popolon> not all ;)
<popolon> and some really basic, I forgot everytime
<popolon> really depend of my frenquency of usage
<libv> spend your time with english please, it is pretty important today
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<popolon> I know, but I'm already able to communicate in english
<popolon> with lot of errors
<popolon> and I prefer to learn chinese, that's far more important today
<libv> then there is no need to fix up french howtos
<popolon> for some other french people and myself there is still the need :)
<popolon> that's my own resources anyway, and that's a method to continue to learn english , and if I make mistake in french, less people will notice them :))
<popolon> I gone to germanic swiss two or three weeks ago
<libv> imho it fragments howtos
<popolon> I feel , like I meet more people that speak chinese, than french :)
<libv> fixes are made to one, and never to another
<popolon> false
<libv> ok
<libv> almost never
<popolon> I backport if I feel that's really true
<libv> popolon: is this what you vow to do for the rest of your days?
<popolon> and that's the easier method to do things
<libv> go through recentchanges all the time?
<popolon> no, I really want to translate in chinese too
<popolon> but most of wiki wasn't updated since 6 month :)
<popolon> at least I updated some informations... in english version
<popolon> by translating them
<popolon> in fact, I feel there is really the need of refactoring the organization
<popolon> of the wiki
<popolon> but that's probably too much work
<libv> by turning it into the wiki of babel?
<popolon> like debian article containing the most of interesting compilation things
<popolon> and other distro nothing, even if that's about the same method
<libv> that's a tightrope walk
<libv> make it too generic, and you will miss out on important specificities
<popolon> I work on french wikipedia since about 2005, and a really little, on english, chinese, japanese and really little little to korean vesions, since
<popolon> libv, you are probably true
<libv> it will also make it too daunting to read or follow then
<popolon> but building the kernel and common kernel rules
<popolon> are the same on all the systems for example
<libv> that's true
<popolon> should be easier to have a full generic kernel building
<libv> this is a technical wiki though
<popolon> with some details depending on distro => gcc version, or other ?
<libv> it's not about supporting the minorities who fail to grasp the technical english that goes with it
<libv> yes, like this one broken linaro toolchain
<libv> ... that killed the kernel
<popolon> didn't know ?
<popolon> which one ?
<libv> was like a year ago
<popolon> ok
<popolon> and there are detail about installing ppa for linaro toolchain on wiki
<popolon> but since 13.04 ubuntu, linaro is in default repositories
<popolon> si I suppose article was made and never updated since ~13.03
<popolon> I have my cubieboard(2) since only 1 or 2 month
<popolon> 1month 1/2
<popolon> and only HDD full of bad sectors :)
<popolon> and unable to use nand, on my compiled kernels
<libv> is this bad sectors something that happened just now?
<libv> or was that before?
<popolon> few days after starting to use them
<popolon> in fact, I know that that hdd as bad sector for long time
<popolon> I formated with option to avoid them
<libv> ok
<libv> scrounge a new one from somewhere
<libv> "newer" even
<popolon> someone give me another hdd (a bigger one) saturday
<popolon> but it doesn't seem to work with my external case, so need to boot on µSD to do anything :)
<libv> my cousin had a usb hd enclosure about 8 years ago
<popolon> if at least it work
<libv> with a via controller in it, and a stabilizer ic in it which was faulty
<libv> and which became very very hot
<libv> the disk would power up, write a few sectors, then lose power
<popolon> no the errors are on the cb2 itself
<libv> after a bit, the harddisk was full of bad sectors
<popolon> and ... some kernel are so buggy, than they made more error than real one
<popolon> I used my bad sector-ed hdd on a shuttle
<popolon> atom shuttle, I suppose power supply was not good
<popolon> and my building has very bad electricity network, with some fires beginned 2 years ago, lot of bulf failure
<libv> whereas these sectors weren't bad at all, their checksum just failed, and the controller just marked them as bad
<libv> iirc, the controller would only end up trying to reuse them in extreme situations
<popolon> so could be another reason for bad sectors
<libv> it was explained somewhere on the net
<libv> together with a means to tell the controller to re-evaluate its bad blocks list
<libv> i think i just hooked that same disk to my odroid, but i am not entirely certain, as i have a few of the same brand/size that i used to kit out my vast via unichrome hw collection with
<libv> ah, seems like there are even specific scsi commands for this
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<steev> ssvb: are you able to build webkit-gtk on your cb2?
<ssvb> steev: have not tried
<steev> okay, that's the only package i've come across so far that gives me issues. the gtk2 version builds fine, but trying to build 2.2.0 doesn't want to work
<steev> attempting another buidl at the moment, hopefully i'll have a log in a few hours
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<wingrime> ssvb: have we some heavy test for ensure ddr operates correctly?
<ssvb> steev: how does it fail?
<steev> ssvb: something about forward definitions, iirc
<steev> oh wait
<wingrime> steev: you have swap?
<steev> wingrime: yes
<ssvb> wingrime: I was just running glmark2-es2 and memtester at the same time, and if memtester starts reporting memory corruption, then we can be sure that we have a problem
<ssvb> steev: does it build on some other hardware?
<steev> i dare not test, tbh
<steev> it requires pulling in and using systemd
<wingrime> ssvb: downgrade ddr speed helped?
<steev> give it a few hours guys, sheesh
<steev> the build will fail eventually and i'll have the log
<wingrime> ssvb: we anyway need more statistical data for make decision
<ssvb> steev: also you can always re-run the failed gcc command line and add -save-temps option
<steev> ssvb: yes, except that i already blew away the portage dir
<ssvb> steev: that will give you a preprocessed source, which can be used for tests
<ssvb> wingrime: as for the dram clock speed on cubieboard2, mine is overclockable to 552MHz (also with mbus at 552MHz) and everything seems to work except for the SD card :)
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<ssvb> wingrime: and no problems at all at 480MHz
<wingrime> ssvb: you tryed change mmc divider?
<ssvb> wingrime: no
<arokux2> mnemoc: ping
<wingrime> ssvb: mmc protocol have command timings / so mmc card simply not expect so hi datarate (maybe comparea mmc speed? with different divider/freq) also you card must have class "6" ?
<wingrime> ssvb: about tpr0 / tpr1 / tpr2 - thats timings between ddr3 commands (more precisely than cas and speed)
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<wingrime> who knows how I can talk with wills wang?
<arokux2> wingrime: do you have hackberry?
<wingrime> no
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<arokux2> focus: ping
<focus_it> hi arokux2
<focus_it> i just get results of checking
<focus_it> the netbook (old working kernet) and main pc (new not working kernel) both have same git show messages!
<focus_it> yet the main home PC directory is dated 19 october - so i must have downloaded on saturday
<focus_it> when creating the .config file, i enabled far too many things to create a mega kernel - but it could not compile.
<focus_it> after each effort, i dropped the offending module and recompiled until i got something that worked
<focus_it> but that kernel looks as if it doesn't allow the usb to power up on an A20 cpu
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<focus_it> That giant kernel config file that will compile is here http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/kernel_config_biggest.txt - but no usb - though looking at the log file, all i could see was that usb looked ok
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<arokux2> thanks focus_it, I'll have a look tomorrow.
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<steev> ssvb: ugh, disregard (for now) - now i remember - it's because they a) force disable egl/gles2, b) force enable accelerated-compositing, and c) allow webgl to be disabled, but accelerated compositing requires css shaders which requires webgl
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