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<lordcirth__>
So, when I try to run "ipfs name publish" with the mounts active, I get "Error: cannot manually publish while IPNS is mounted". "manually" implies that there is another way. What is it?
<JCaesar>
by writing to the ipns mount.
<lordcirth__>
Ok, but writing what? The files? The ipfs hash?
<JCaesar>
files.
<lordcirth__>
So, if I copy a directory, and it takes a while, is it not atomic?
<JCaesar>
i suspect no.
<JCaesar>
either way, ipns and mounts are two features i learned to stay away from.
<lordcirth__>
Why is that?
<lordcirth__>
Personally I'd like to have ipfs mounted, but I don't need ipns mounts
<JCaesar>
mounts tend to result in very long blocks. ipns published stuff takes way too long to resolve.
<lordcirth__>
IPNS, sure. But the IPFS mount shouldn't take any longer than an 'ipfs get'
<JCaesar>
mounting /ipfs only might be an option, if go-ipfs supports that.
<lordcirth__>
I'm looking into that now, it's not obvious from --help
<lordcirth__>
The /ipfs/ mount allows all sorts of tools to use ipfs without needing any sort of support. a localhost HTTP gateway would work too, I suppose.
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<lordcirth__>
Also, there doesn't seem to be an unmount option without stopping the daemon?
<JCaesar>
but beware: doing ipfs get will access precisely the stuff you want to, and is neatly cancellable.
<JCaesar>
if you use a mount, there is calls to the kernel, and that software unaware of ipfs may be reading from god-knows-where.
<JCaesar>
unmount: yeah, the whole fuse subsystem "needs some love", is what the docs say...
<JCaesar>
fusermount -um
<lordcirth__>
Ah, thanks
<JCaesar>
-m
<lordcirth__>
JCaesar, do you have IPv6 enabled? If so, could you please run 'ipfs swarm connect /ip6/2607:f2c0:92fc:d200:96de:80ff:feb9:cfa8/tcp/4001/ipfs/QmV7h1Xts69rkKeyES9qtgEXr89VK1kh3C7HBcznzHXorH' ? Trying to see if I got IPv6 working properly
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<JCaesar>
mmmm.
<JCaesar>
ill try once i arrive somewhere with a proper keyboard.
<JCaesar>
smartphones...
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<lordcirth__>
Ah, yeah np
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<lordcirth__>
Can you not have multiple gateway addresses?
<lordcirth__>
I changed mine to be my node's IP, so it could be used by other clients on the LAN, but apparently it no longer listens on localhost as a result
<JCaesar>
You should be able to listen to 0.0.0.0 or ::.
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<JCaesar>
If you want more complicated listening behavior, use a reverse proxy, like nginx or nvoy (never tried the latter).
<lordcirth__>
My browser redirects to ipfs, though. trying lynx
<lordcirth__>
yeah, stuck waiting for response
<am3on[m]>
Yeah, weird thing is I can ping it from the command line and get a response
<am3on[m]>
but in the browser, I eventually get a 504 timeout
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<lordcirth__>
telnetting and sending garbage gets an instant 400
<am3on[m]>
Curl gives me an HTML document that contains "301 Moved Permanently" in a h1
<am3on[m]>
Guess I'll just try again later...
<lordcirth__>
am3on[m], that's because you didn't specify https
<lordcirth__>
Hey, it supports HTTP/2, that's cool
<lordcirth__>
am3on[m], do you not have IPFS installed yet? The site works fine over IPFS
<am3on[m]>
Nope, not yet. I was trying to look up installation instructions in the first place haha
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<am3on[m]>
but, Arch Wiki has a page on it anyway so I guess I'm good
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<lordcirth__>
snap install is the easiest way, I think
<lordcirth__>
--channel edge to get 4.19rc1
<am3on[m]>
Got it running! That was easy. How do I get to the IPFS homepage over IPFS? Is there a content hash thing that I need to copy and paste? I have the web interface running on my localhost
<lordcirth__>
am3on[m], you'll want to install the IPFS Companion browser plugin. That will automatically resolve it. However, you can also go to localhost:8080/ipns/ipfs.io/
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<am3on[m]>
lordcirth__: Neat! It works. Thank you
<lordcirth__>
np
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<Mikaela->
Is the snap official and how does it compare to manual installation? Can it still be configured and the repo moved between manual and snap? Does it get full filesystem access and is usable by all users or does it need some special install flags?
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<lordcirth__>
Mikaela-, not sure about official, but it got 4.19rc1 within hours. it puts its repo in ~/.ipfs by default. I didn't try multiple users.
<Mikaela->
Thanls
<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, what date do you expect last-modified to contain?
<lordcirth__>
/ipfs/ links are immutable and do not normally contain metadata about their creation
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: ah, you have a policy of not keeping modified date or other metadata, then you should answer in the thread above that it's intentionally
<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, not me, I'm just a user.
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<lordcirth__>
/ipns/ links are mutable, and thus a last-modified time exists. It's not applicable to immutable data such as /ipfs/ links.
<ilyaigpetrov>
I guess the correct behavior of my software would be to check both last-modified and also the final url after all the redirects, should be fine
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<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, if you are retrieving an /ipns/ url, then you should have a last-modified. Are you saying that your /ipns/ links contain a 301 redirect or something?
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: yes, ipns has redirects leading to ipfs
<ilyaigpetrov>
sorry, checked the ipns, it returns 200, not 3xx
<lordcirth__>
What does your software do?
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<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: it's a browser extension to bypass censorship in Russia, it downloads a file that contains a list of addresses to proxy (a PAC script). This PAC-script is distributed over ipfs + cloudflare and has a problem that we can't purge the cache, I don't know the details though
<ilyaigpetrov>
so in that extension I check last-modified of a HEAD request but I don't check the final URL after redirects which I guess I should
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<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, if your recently-modified /ipns/ link points to an /ipfs/ link, then that /ipfs/ link is still valid, though.
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<lordcirth__>
Perhaps each time you get a new ipns resolution (new last-modified) you could set that date on every entry in cache that it refers to. Then delete everything that you *didn't* just update.
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<lordcirth__>
Also, if you're only distributing a list of addresses, I don't understand why you would need redirects or anything like that.
<lordcirth__>
You could have one list file (/ipfs/) referred to by one /ipns link
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: the addresses in the list are frequently updated (several times per day)
<ilyaigpetrov>
sometimes the list gets corrupted due to some reason, we fix it quite fast, but because of caching problem it takes about 12h for the fix to distribute
<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, right. So frequently resolve the IPNS link, (set a 5 minute TTL or something ), and just replace the entire cache with the new file.
<lordcirth__>
The IPFS daemon does it's own caching, so I don't think your app should do it at all. Or did you mean that it's using the cloudflare gateway?
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: it uses cloudflare, but as I'm not the author of the list I can't tell the details
<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, but the caching you're talking about is done by the plugin?
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: yes, plugin doesn't do the extra work (parsing the script, executing it) if the list doesn't change
<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, so, all you need to check is the last-modified of the /ipns/ link.
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: yes, I guess that's it, I just don't want to be specific about ipfs/ipns hosting in my code
<lordcirth__>
Well, 'check the last-modified of the root' is reasonably generic
<lordcirth__>
If you weren't using IPFS, you could just 'touch' the root file every so often
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: by root you mean the initial url address?
<lordcirth__>
yeah
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<ilyaigpetrov>
the initial URL doesn't have last-modified, it redirects to the IPNS address on a cloudflare gateway.
<ilyaigpetrov>
as the ipns link doesn't return 3xx and has a quite nice looking last-modified then I'm lost about why at all we have the problem of purging the cache, maybe ipns link should be resolved more frequently as you say
<ilyaigpetrov>
lordcirth__: thank you for your help, I should reach the author of the pac script to understand the problem in details, I will keep your advice under my hand
<lordcirth__>
ilyaigpetrov, good luck!
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<lordcirth_>
If I want to download a large blob to 30 machines at once, all of which are NAT'd behind the same switch & router, what settings / tuning should I set?
<lordcirth_>
seba--, yes, I know. Do you know what tuning would make sense for this use case?
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<seba-->
lordcirth_ no, behind NAT it works super shitty
<lordcirth_>
seba--, even when they only need to download, not upload?
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<seba-->
lordcirth_, oh that works i guess better hm
<seba-->
haven't tested that much
<lordcirth_>
I just want them to do a deduplicated download, essentially
<lordcirth_>
Plus new PCs should be able to provision over LAN later, from their caches
<lordcirth_>
Just wondering if there's any tuning I can do that is specific to the LAN use case
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<seba-->
lordcirth_ maybe add the machines to bootstrap
<seba-->
this is bizzare
<seba-->
if i'm trying to ping the client while pinning
<lordcirth_>
seba--, in order to keep their configs from constantly changing, would it also work well to add a couple of probably-up ipfs servers in the building as bootstrap? They would gossip and find each other, right?
<seba-->
it works
<seba-->
if i'm not pinging then it doesn't
<lordcirth_>
wait what?
<lordcirth_>
Is this 4.19rc1?
<seba-->
4.18
<seba-->
this is bizzare
<seba-->
the moment i ping
<seba-->
it works better
<seba-->
lol
<seba-->
like WAY better
<lordcirth_>
By ping, do you mean icmp ping, or ipfs connect?
<lordcirth_>
I wonder if the network interrupt breaks some kind of deadlock or something
<lordcirth_>
seba--, not seeing many providers for a few random blocks. Sure it's entirely available?
<lordcirth_>
Is QmYFaM5kjVSD7qLohbQB3Dhz1rC6Gvq42RqBkxiYm5z2e1 you?
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<seba-->
how do you check if it's fully available?
<lordcirth_>
Well, I basically just grabbed random hashes from my wantlist and ran 'ipfs dht findprovs QmRVzNdmBsqnjM4yTpWD6i1YMWwgMyQQ8LaSoVGvaY5Bm7'
<seba-->
oh that
<lordcirth_>
clicking on the second file, I've had the same 2 blocks on my wantlist for over a minute. I suspect they aren't available
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<lordcirth_>
In spite of QmYFaM5kjVSD7qLohbQB3Dhz1rC6Gvq42RqBkxiYm5z2e1 being the only node providing them, I'm not connected to it, which implies I can't.
<seba-->
i don't think that's any of my machines hm
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<lordcirth_>
It is probably behind a NAT, or offline
<lordcirth_>
seba--, do you have access to these files any other way, to re-add them?
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<seba-->
well i'm sharing it throught a NAT computer, which it seems doesn't work that good
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<seba-->
now i'm adding to 2 other machines
<seba-->
1 a FW computer (not NAT) and 1 with open ports
<lordcirth_>
seba--, can you enable IPv6? That solves NAT nicely
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<seba-->
hm
<seba-->
IPFS just has shitty NAT support :'(
<seba-->
i wonder how i could enable relaying hm
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<lordcirth_>
tbh, while there's a lot that IPFS could do to workaround NAT, NAT is bad and should be fixed
<lordcirth_>
IPv6 allows every IPFS node to have one globally-routable address that just works
<lordcirth_>
I enabled IPv6 Prefix Delegation on my router, and now my machines have IPv6 addresses, and I don't need to forward any ports for IPFS over IPv6.
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<seba-->
yes sure
<seba-->
but i live in the real world
<lordcirth_>
Your ISP doesn't provide IPv6?
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<seba-->
depends where you are
<seba-->
on one it only works if you have PPPoE which i don't, i have direct ethernet
<seba-->
they have to update equipment
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<lordcirth>
I have added The Jargon File as /ipfs/QmSPjy97iDiuhNe1AVqnJNphn1n2msgXnEL4bJx4Ar32eP/html/ . It's 20MB and a cool piece of internet history.
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