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<petersjt014[m]>
xppp: I see that you put the zeronet bundle on IPFS--could you run your daemon another time for a bit longer? I have a get command running on a VPS so it should catch it
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<petersjt014[m]>
Also I got a question: Is there a listing of gx repos anywhere? I thought dist.ipfs.io would have some but no dice
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<whyrusleeping>
i'm trying to find time to make a slightly nicer service
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<petersjt014[m]>
Ah, cool. Is there anyplace this is/could be put on the official site/wiki?
<petersjt014[m]>
at least on dist.ipfs.io maybe--more people to see it/pin it
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<whyrusleeping>
petersjt014[m]: its in the topic of the gx irc channel
<whyrusleeping>
i havent been wanting to push it much yet because i want it to be better before it gets more users
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<petersjt014[m]>
ah
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<petersjt014[m]>
another question: how does the formatting for the `refs` command work?`ipfs refs --format=<src,dst> QmarHSr9aSNaPSR6G9KFPbuLV9aEqJfTk1y9B8pdwqK4Rq` doesn't seem to be it
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<carsonfarmer[m]>
quick q regarding adding and pinning:
<carsonfarmer[m]>
if i add (and by default pin) a (large) file on my local node, will i end up creating a 'copy' (as blocks) of my file in my local repo?
<carsonfarmer[m]>
i.e., will i have two local 'copies' of the object?
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<petersjt014[m]>
You'll have your original file as well as the blocks in ~/.ipfs/blocks, I believe
<petersjt014[m]>
Though if you use the filestore that's a different story
<carsonfarmer[m]>
thanks petersjt014 that's what i suspected
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<petersjt014[m]>
I _might_ be wrong, but you could verify it by comparing the size of `~/.ipfs` before/after
<carsonfarmer[m]>
ah, good call
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<JohnyTheSmith>
Can you access the WebUI from another machine? For instance on a Pi in the network? I know if i installed a GUI i could just run a browser on there, of course.
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<kristjan96[m]>
are there any good examples/tutorials for developing with IPFS on windows 10 machine
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<lidel>
JohnyTheSmith, ssh tunel is one way to do it (webui is hardcoded to work only on localhost port)
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<victorbjelkholm>
carsonfarmer[m]: there is also the --nocopy flag to the `add` command for not copying the files around. You'll need to enable Experimental.FilestoreEnabled to get it to work though
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<enick_94>
Fuck that
<Steverman>
ye
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<kristjan96[m]>
is this chat the right place to ask questions about decentralized web primer book?
<dragly>
Hi all! Trying to understand how IPFS works here. I am adding different things using `echo something | ipfs add -q` on one machine and try to retrieve it on another using `ipfs cat $hash`.
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<dragly>
However, the cat command just hangs forever unless I call `curl https://ipfs.io/ipfs/$hash` on either machine. Then the cat command suddenly completes successfully. Why is this?
<singpolyma>
dragly: are both machines behind a NAT?
<singpolyma>
(home router with upnp disabled or similar)
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<dragly>
singpolyma: one, at least, and the other is probably well hidden behind a firewall
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<dragly>
how does ipfs.io get around that?
<singpolyma>
I thought IPFS had relay abilities for these cases, but not sure. Something may be preventing them from connecting to each other
<singpolyma>
ipfs.io is presumably on a public server with no NAT at all
<dragly>
but how does ipfs.io get access to the object on the machine behind a NAT?
<singpolyma>
(I am just an interested user, someone who knows more will probably answer eventually)
<dragly>
singpolyma: thanks anyways :) this really confused me
<dragly>
perhaps ipfs.io knows about a backdoor that the other clients are unaware of :-p
<Icefoz>
dragly: IPFS uses NAT hole punching to let machines communicate through NAT's.
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<Icefoz>
When an IPFS node is running behind a NAT it deliberately opens connections to other nodes in the network so that they can talk.
<dragly>
Icefoz: so machine A and B are both connected to ipfs.io with hole punching or something?
<Icefoz>
There's nothing special about ipfs.io
<Icefoz>
It's just another ipfs node.
<dragly>
but then why is machine B unable to get the object from machine A before I query it via ipfs.io?
<Icefoz>
Now that's a different question. ;-)
<dragly>
Icefoz: :)
<Icefoz>
But idk the details of how hole punching works but there's fairly standard (if quite inconvenient) ways to get an open connection that the outside world can talk to through a NAT firewall.
<Icefoz>
I suspect the answer to your question is "machine B and machine A couldn't find each other", though why that would be is above my pay grade.
<singpolyma>
but usually those ways require one side (or a proxy or a helper server) that is not behind a NAT
<Icefoz>
But I expect ipfs.io is in or close to the bootstrap set of addresses for the ipfs network, so just about everything will know how to reach it.
<dragly>
Yes, I've come across it before and it would be strange if there is something special there. Maybe it just fails/stalls when the B tries to connect directly to A, and then ipfs.io comes along and manages to get through to A. Then I guess machine B can get the object from ipfs.io directly?
<dragly>
I guess there is a verbose mode somewhere that might tell me more about where the process stops
<Icefoz>
Well if you request the file from ipfs.io then ipfs.io has a copy of it.
<Icefoz>
So B no longer needs to connect to A, it just connects to ipfs.io
<voker57>
dragly: you can try racking throught `ipfs log tail`
<dragly>
Icefoz: yes, I could probably just make sure to request everything from ipfs.io that I want to share to make sure there is another copy "out there" ;)
<dragly>
voker57: thanks, I'll try that
<voker57>
also you can check if you can connect to other node with `ipfs swarm connect`
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<dragly>
voker57: nope, I guess that might be the problem
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<dragly>
voker57: or, what should the connect address look like in NAT-cases?
<dragly>
still the full IP+port+hash?
<voker57>
dragly: look in `ipfs id`
<voker57>
if IPFS managed to punch through your NAT there should be an external multiaddress
<dragly>
voker57: although it wasn't listed with `ipfs id`, I found a p2p-circuit address that was shown on one of the machines after running `ipfs daemon`
<dragly>
connecting to that did it! :)
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<dragly>
Now I have objects that appear immediately on both machines. Thanks for the help!
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<singpolyma>
Why is CIDv1 not the default for ipfs add yet? Is there still concern that the format may change?
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<voker57>
cool, now figuring out why it didn't happen automatically is another story
<voker57>
dragly: aren't there any /ip external ones?
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<dragly>
voker57: Plenty of those as well, but I wasn't able to connect to any of them.
<dragly>
Plenty as in 5-6. Some with internal IP addresses
<dragly>
When I run `ipfs add`, does this immediately announce to all my peers that I have data for the given hash?
<singpolyma>
lidel: thanks, that's what I was looking for! :)
<Icefoz>
dragly: More or less.
<Icefoz>
I don't know if it immediatley announces it to all your peers, but it announces it to at least some of your peers.
<dragly>
Icefoz: And that is stored in the DHT? Do I have a copy of the DHT on my machine?
<Icefoz>
That I can't answer.
<dragly>
I guess I should start reading up on this somewhere, but I couldn't easily find answers to those exact questions ;)
<voker57>
information that you have a certain hash is stored in DHT and you have your part of DHT on your machine
<dragly>
voker57: thanks!
<voker57>
if connection to these addresses fails, it probably means that hole punching failed and ipfs failed to use p2p-circuit one as a fallback
<voker57>
what's your ipfs version?
<dragly>
voker57: and a request for an object, is that propagated through the network in hope of finding anyone that holds it? I mean, if I request a fake hash, there is no way of knowing it doesn't exist unless we ask everyone, right?
<dragly>
voker57: 0.4.13
<voker57>
dragly: yeah, it's not flooding all the network but nodes that are close enough in DHT sense.
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<dragly>
Cool! I'm really looking forward to see how things go with IPFS. Especially to the day IPFS links open effortlessly in any browser, and I can share a blog/video/whatnot and not worry about keeping the content hosted. And to see what comes out of the efforts to make social networks and similar on top of IPFS :)
<dragly>
That is assuming anyone else cares enough to keep it hosted, though :-p
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<r0kk3rz>
that should be ok though, because in theory using ipfs is cheaper to do 'web-scale' stuff with
<r0kk3rz>
making your own youtube would cost a lot in infrastructure, but d-tube maybe isnt too bad
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<petersjt014[m]>
(the variant which also involves conspiracy theorists and other varieties of wingnuts)
<petersjt014[m]>
It's weird how some platforms get that kind of crowd and others dont
<petersjt014[m]>
like the contrast between mastadon & gab
<petersjt014[m]>
gotta be something about how they're presented
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<r0kk3rz>
heh actually thats a really good point, i think theres a law in the UK that says porn sites are supposed to verify your age before letting you in with something like a passport or drivers licence
<r0kk3rz>
soo... dtube :)
<r0kk3rz>
*new law coming into effect soon
<petersjt014[m]>
We had hundreds of years to handle the revolution that was the printing press, and like 10 for the internet
<r0kk3rz>
oh yeah we're just getting started
<petersjt014[m]>
and the print press was a very 'apparent' thing too
<petersjt014[m]>
it was obvious what it was and what it could do
<petersjt014[m]>
the internet just kinda happened over a long time and nobody exactly really saw it coming--not in the full picture anyway
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<petersjt014[m]>
also: if I have a virtual machine and I want to put the host's id in the guest's bootstrap list and vice versa, what would be the ideal way to do it?
<petersjt014[m]>
I tried link-local addresses since they're nice and deterministic, but IPFS tells me it can't parse `/ip6/fe80...%enp0s8/tcp/4001`
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<petersjt014[m]>
which makes sense after thinking about it for 2 seconds
<carsonfarmer[m]>
anyone have an answer to this question:
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<carsonfarmer[m]>
duh, thanks voker57
<carsonfarmer[m]>
man, i feel silly
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<petersjt014[m]>
hmm..if I put the address in without the interface specifier it doesn't error--but it doesn't work either
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<petersjt014[m]>
There--4 bajillion network adaptors. Time to see if any of them work
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<somebody>
hey
<chowie>
hi
<somebody>
should I use js-ipfs or go-ipfs in my electron app?
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<whyrusleeping>
somebody: i would use go-ipfs
<somebody>
why?
<whyrusleeping>
its going to be more efficient
<whyrusleeping>
and work better all around
<whyrusleeping>
if you *can* use it, do.
<somebody>
okay, thanks :)
<whyrusleeping>
If you werent building an electron app, and were building a normal webapp instead, then you would want js-ipfs
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<somebody>
iirc js-ipfs does not work in the browser because of the cross domain policy?
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<whyrusleeping>
it depends on how you use it, but it definitely does work in the browser
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<whyrusleeping>
for example, peerpad.net uses it
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<somebody>
thanks for the example!
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<victorbjelkholm>
somebody: it should definitely work in the browser as a imported module. The HTTP API with js-ipfs-api won't maybe work depending on how the API owner setup their CORS configuration
<somebody>
ok, thanks
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