ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: a _better_ cult
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<vigs>
me 24/7
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
mcc: I can't recall, do you work on Windows?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I feel like we've had a discussion about this, before.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
vigs: hi
<vigs>
hi ELLIOTTCABLE
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
TheMathNinja: curiosity: what apps are you using, to develop in? Are you just running PowerShell ISE as your command-line, and editing in Notepad, or something?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
JSON has a very, very picky format. Lots of little mistakes will blow it up.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
In this case, there's a comma after the last element.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
basically, it has to go:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
a, b, c, d
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
not a, b, c, d,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
which is a pain, because if you ever add a new element to the end, you have to ensure you A) add a comma to the previously-last thing (which didn't have one, 'cuz it was the last), and B) make sure you *don't* add a comma after the new last element.
<TheMathNinja>
Hah
<TheMathNinja>
Have you ever heard of Lua?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
okay. back to trying to suss out how npm works on Windows. >,<
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yep, certainly. Big fan.
<TheMathNinja>
I am so used to the table structure
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(I develop programming languages. I'm not very good at it, but there it is.)
<TheMathNinja>
It doesn't matter if there's a comma for the last element in Lua. So nice.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
interesting. I'm curious to know what development you've done before that *didn't* require knowledge of `cd`, but leaves you familiar with lua's tables.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
WoW mods, perhaps?
<TheMathNinja>
well
<TheMathNinja>
Nope.
<TheMathNinja>
This is actually kind of silly, but I used to build on game called ROBLOX.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
lua's commonly embedded, so I'm imagining it's something wherein you script another program with Lua. Alternatively, perhaps LOVE?
<TheMathNinja>
I made quite a few cool games there.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
TheMathNinja: if you're writing a bot, you'd better make it able to purr. Any bot that can't purr is a pretty lame bot. ;)
* ELLIOTTCABLE
pats purr
* purr
rrrrrrr
<TheMathNinja>
XD
* vigs
pets purr
* purr
rrrrrrr
<TheMathNinja>
the the purr is going on
<TheMathNinja>
Okay
<TheMathNinja>
ELLIOTTCABLE: I have another problem.
<TheMathNinja>
I am trying to enter my own password protected channel
<TheMathNinja>
How would I get my bot to say the things I normally would to enter the channel?
<TheMathNinja>
bot.say(channel, message) right?
<TheMathNinja>
Is channel a string as well?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
no clue, I don't use irc
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but it's almost certainly a string
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
er, I don't use the 'irc' module. I clearly use IRC. lol.
<purr>
lol
<TheMathNinja>
XD
<TheMathNinja>
Okay, I figured it out
<TheMathNinja>
it's a string
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<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: implemented advance() but that's about as far as I went. I think I stopped because I was thinking too much about trying to make it parallelizable
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: my mind's still on that
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Although it's split with nailing down my awesome module system ;)
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<katlogic>
Can someone explain american logic of what they find offensive?
<vigs>
wat
<joelteon>
anything that makes it convenient for other countries to insult us
<joelteon>
go wild
<vigs>
fuck that tho
<katlogic>
Hmmm
<vigs>
kbai
<vigs>
gonna shower and sleep because I've been up for about 38 hours
<katlogic>
On, reddit, I said "Didn't intend to spoonfeed, but if you insist: infodump answer"
<katlogic>
Because I consider infodumps offensive unless asked for
<katlogic>
Now, I got voted out -10 because it was somehow offensive
<joelteon>
man i hate when all of america unanimously agrees to downvote me
<katlogic>
Nah, I've seen this in person too
<joelteon>
how long did it take you to talk to 300 million people?
<joelteon>
plus there are more getting born
<joelteon>
that's amazing
<katlogic>
1) Omit infodump because info overload is considered offensive 2) American asks for infodump, you apologize why you didn't include it in the first place 3) American is now offended somehow now :(
<katlogic>
Something about their nature really eludes me
<joelteon>
crazy americans
<katlogic>
Even weirder, when one engages in not-that-all-obvious sarcastic discourse, they often fail to detect it.
<katlogic>
I suspect sarcasm was invented to safely communicate with americans.
<joelteon>
i bet
<katlogic>
ELLIOTTCABLE: You're a good social engineer, is grandstanding the *only* way to communicate with your race?
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<devyn>
katlogic: "didn't intend to spoonfeed" has a bit of a negative tone to it
<devyn>
not really sure what you're asking lol
<purr>
lol
<katlogic>
devyn: Already got explanation from meatspace american, apparently it strikes ego/implies they're dumb, as in "Well, I'm sorry that you're so stupid, here is explanation for kids...."
<devyn>
yeah, pretty much
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<katlogic>
those tracks are just asking for some bastardized tribal techno remix
<devyn>
haha
<devyn>
I really like Araatan
<katlogic>
The voice is good
<katlogic>
I have prejudice towards singing in language i don't understand at all, though
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<devyn>
katlogic: interesting, I find that some people really do and some people don't at all… I'm more in the latter camp; lyrics are cool but I see the voice as more of an instrument and I like to hear the emotion and technique
<katlogic>
devyn: Voice as instrument works only when it is rather pronounced
<katlogic>
fe when it barely resembles voice :)
<katlogic>
otherwise scumbag brain tries to interpret stuff when it hears word structure
<katlogic>
and is pissed off when it does not make sense at all
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<devyn>
katlogic: haha, not the same for me at allll; I appreciate the sounds of the language without having to try to interpret it
<katlogic>
for some reason anime samples are ok, because brain is trained to look for subtitles when it hears chipmunks
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
katlogic: huh?
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: diametric opposite. I hate the human voice as an instrument; I only appreciate vocals if they're conveying complex or layered meaning. I despise it intellectually when I find myself hearing music that's got completely empty or completely repetitive English vocals.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
As for non-English vocals, I just don't listen at all; like I said, the human voice is a fucking imprecise and ugly instrument, to me, so that'd be like listening to songs with a chorus of car-horns and ducks as the leading instrument
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<katlogic>
ELLIOTTCABLE: Yes, that's ravecore in a nutshell.
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<ec>
all I want in the world is for somebody to help me talk through Paws design elements again.
<ec>
Got a major new chunk mostly worked-out in my head.
<katlogic>
If you promise it will be 2000 words intro tops with no unnecessary prose
<katlogic>
I promise I'll attempt to read it.
<ec>
nah, I'm not good at writeups. as evidenced by my last attempt at a spec.
<ec>
I liked to talk these things through in chat, first. That *gets* me the solidified, well-thought-out sort of design that I can specify.
<ec>
maybe I'll start a mailing list and coerce all you fucks into signing up, so I can make my thoughts push- instead of pull-. #abuse
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
idk, I'm sure that's simple enough, if you know what varactors are, and how to tune them with junctions.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or perhaps it's the junctions you're tuning. I am left unsure.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Google *has* lots of hyperabrupt junction-tuning varactors (or junction tuning-varactors?),
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but no explanation as to what the fuck that *is*.
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: so you're doing hardware stuff again?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I never stopped?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
well, I haven't been *at home* too much, lots of travelling
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but yeah, it's not like I'm going to talk about it much in here ...
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I know *fuckall* about what I'm doing.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
like, I don't even know enough, to ask the right questions in IRC to get help. It'll be months before I start mentioning anything I'm doing in here, I'm sure.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
following dumb-ass simple tutorials, and doing lots of googling, and mostly, just being confused.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
you know, assembling blinkie lights and shit.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
a green resistor-looking thing is an inductor, right? is that a hard-and-fast rule? or is that just a sometimes convention?
* alexgordon
has no idea about hardware
<alexgordon>
I used to be into it
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: hahaha, explains a lot
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: hm?
<alexgordon>
but then I got more money :P
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
alexgordon: LOL
<purr>
LOL
<alexgordon>
back in the day, computers were really expensive for a kid to buy :P
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: you not liking vocals-as-instrument
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I like classical (no vocals.) and electronica (no vocals.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the only stuff I like with vocals is either A) extremely touchy-feely, and in a language I know,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
or B) the vocals are subdued, very much a backing instrument.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
(some electronica / dubstep.)
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what's the unit in which inductors are measured? o_O
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
henries. hm. okay then.
<devyn>
heh, interesting
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
glowcoil, devyn. could I perhaps impose on you a planned Paws discussion, a bit later?
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<alexgordon>
dcope!
* dcope
pulls the curtains back and peers in
<alexgordon>
dcope: it's mainly for proglang discussion
<devyn>
ELLIOTTCABLE: yeah, probably
<devyn>
definitely not right now though
<devyn>
:p
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
what the fuck is a dcope
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: awesome. I'll try and coordinate with glowcoil, when he's more responsive.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just had his first workday, sounds like.
<devyn>
oh, what's he doing?
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
devyn: idk some dayjob at a bank *shrug*