* ELLIOTTCABLE
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alexgordon>
it's more difficult for me though, because I have no idea which country I'll be living in in 20 years :D
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ELLIOTTCABLE>
a moderate approach. you shouldn't have trouble countering inflation, as long as you're not
*too* volatility-adverse.
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alexgordon>
I have the additional exchange rate risk
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alexgordon>
if you live in america, you have the advantage of being able to invest in the same currency that you spend in
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alexgordon>
I can't invest in UK companies, they're all run by idiots
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gkatsev>
all of them?
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alexgordon>
all of them!
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alexgordon>
the culture here is toxic. we'll never have an Apple or a Google
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alexgordon>
ARM was in the right place at the right time
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prophile>
yes, the right place being the UK
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alexgordon>
they're not good at what they do like Intel is
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prophile>
uh, false, I'm gonna go with false
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alexgordon>
if intel can make billions from a piece of crap like x86, they must have some serious smarts
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alexgordon>
their technology is impressive on its own, but it's even more impressive when you consider it's all done with such a crappy arch
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prophile>
intel's chips are not crappy
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prophile>
they are beautiful RISC machines
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alexgordon>
but x86 is
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alexgordon>
that's my point
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prophile>
we just don't talk about the horrendous x86 decoder on the front
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prophile>
x86 is quite easy to code for, which probably helped its market proliferation quite a bit
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prophile>
and it's very similar to how their old microcontrollers looked
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prophile>
on the surface at least
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alexgordon>
they're beholden to backwards compatibility
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alexgordon>
if they could just start over they'd be better off
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alexgordon>
but they can't, so they make the best of it
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prophile>
bullshit
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prophile>
they tried it
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alexgordon>
and man the best is good
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prophile>
didn't work
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prophile>
itanium sucked
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alexgordon>
yes but not for technical reasons
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prophile>
people moved on
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prophile>
yes, it technically sucked
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prophile>
as much as it sucked as something people would want to use
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prophile>
VLIW is a waste of time unless you're manufacturing a DSP
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alexgordon>
lol that's a strange definition of technical reasons
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prophile>
perhaps I misphrased
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prophile>
there was no good reason to use it over x86
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prophile>
which sucked
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alexgordon>
right...
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prophile>
and the technical failures were of the same magnitude as that
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alexgordon>
anyway, my point is, while I'd bet on Intel still being dominant in 30 years, I can't say the same about ARM
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prophile>
ARM are pretty dominant in the microcontroller world
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alexgordon>
yes, right now
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prophile>
even more so than microchip or atmel now
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prophile>
i don't see that changing
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alexgordon>
but what if someone else comes along and builds something better
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prophile>
a valid point
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prophile>
although motorola have stuck around in that area
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prophile>
despite people coming along with better products
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prophile>
(like ARM...)
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prophile>
we'll see if the cloud computing thing takes off
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joelteon>
do you guys know of any tools that run a command and split the stdout and stderr in two separate panes
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alexgordon>
while Intel has so many smart people working there, I doubt it's possible to build a better Intel
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prophile>
joelteon: what do you mean by panes?
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joelteon>
idk, tmux windows, something with ncurses, whatever
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prophile>
then yes
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joelteon>
the suspense is killing me
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prophile>
and cat it in your second window
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prophile>
then just redirect stderr into it with 2>/tmp/whatever
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joelteon>
yeah, i know how to cat a file in a second window
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joelteon>
i was asking whether you know of a tool that does that automatically
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alexgordon>
joelteon: personally I'd write a python script
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alexgordon>
but I'm crazy
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prophile>
mkfifo and cat is pretty simple
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prophile>
and you don't have to waste disk space like using a separate file
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joelteon>
and it's like, five steps compared to "in-split ..."
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joelteon>
I guess I'll write a script
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prophile>
you can do it with :exec magic too in screen
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purr>
micahjohnston: hi!
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alexgordon>
micahjohnston: hi
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alexgordon>
micahjohnston: bye!
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micahjohnston>
bye
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micahjohnston>
alexgordon:
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alexgordon>
I wonder if mac minis are faster than my imac
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alexgordon>
given that my imac is from 2007
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alexgordon>
and given that mac pros will probably be too expensive when they come out
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alexgordon>
still would have to buy a display
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alexgordon>
£1594 for the whole deal
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alexgordon>
screen + mini + keyboard + mouse
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alexgordon>
also I guess I can always sell the mini and get a mac pro
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devyn>
SOAP is fun stuff /s
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joelteon>
oh yeah i've heard about that
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joelteon>
only circumstantially
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joelteon>
why would you use soap
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devyn>
integration with MS products >_<
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joelteon>
why would you do that
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joelteon>
oh ok i understand completely
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devyn>
there's an OData API apparently, so I'll probably just use that, but it wasn't working before so I thought I was going to have to use SOAP
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devyn>
and man, even
*with* the Visual Studio .NET tools,
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devyn>
it's fucking crazy
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devyn>
on the other hand, OData is almost sane
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devyn>
it's basically REST with crazy XML schemas on top that you don't really have to worry about unless you want to use it as OData specifically
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devyn>
whereas with SOAP you actually do have to care about the ridiculous amounts of XML
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devyn>
also OData can serialize to XML or JSON
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devyn>
so that's nice
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micahjohnston>
alexgordon:
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micahjohnston>
ec:
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