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<Rasi> hello
<Rasi> i have a raspberry pi atm with an external usb DAC. but i get distortions on higher load and network activity also seems to influence sound
<Rasi> does the cubieboard also have such issues?
<bircoe> Haven't tested that yet but the cubie CPU is at least 4x that of the Pi...
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<mkad> Hi
<mkad> any chance to see cubieboard 2 rev 2 with more memory but the same size and same extensions ?
<mkad> cubietruck is full of obsolete interfaces I dont like
<mkad> and I would like to still use cool casing for first format but i need more memory:)
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<tomboy64> Rasi: what do you mean with distortions? is it magnetic interference somewhere or is it chopped up sound due to load?
<bircoe> Raspberry Pi has allot of problems with USB audio, any decent amount of IO (network or disk) and it has big issues with dropped USB packets.
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<tomboy64> hehehe
<tomboy64> sounds like a job for traffic shaping
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<bircoe> no sounds like a job for a better dev board :)
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<tomboy64> ^^
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<mkad> bircoe, microzed board
<bircoe> happy with my cubietruck :)
<mkad> bircoe, cubietruck has lots of obsolete interfaces :P and i big
<mkad> is big
<mkad> :)
<mkad> I prefer cubieboard 1 or 2 :P
<bircoe> for the intended use I wanted 2gb RAM and the Gigbit Ethernet...
<tomboy64> wtf
<tomboy64> why do people always claim their microcomputers are completely opensource, hard and software?
<tomboy64> everything using mali uses blob drivers ffs
<tomboy64> that is not open source -.-
<tomboy64> the same with android and libhybris -.-
<bircoe> yeah I don't get it either
<bircoe> same with Raspberry Pi, the GPU drivers are proprietary blobs...
<bircoe> IT makes them sound friendly if they say "full open source"
<mkad> yeah some people are stupid and rude to that point that they claim their design is open-source while it is not made in any open-source software but in eagle crap
<mkad> some ppl are just tards and you cant help that
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<tomboy64> and there's no useful reviews for the truck to be found :(
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<bircoe> what do you want to know... I've just spent a few solid days messing with mine, it's now stuffed in the cupboard being a TVHeadend server
<tomboy64> bircoe: i intend to create a gentoo image for it and then use it as an always-on-server/htpc
<tomboy64> bircoe: i wonder if it was powerful enough to run a java vm with a service without noticeable impact on its htpc functions (via xmbc)
<mkutsevol> Hello. Cubie2 question. I need additional UART, RX/TX only. I'm a noob in this field ;) I'm editing cubieboard2.fex. The question is: can I use ANY port for the uart function (eg PH15/PH14 for uart_para1 uart_tx/uart_rx) or I have to obey port multiplexing table found at: http://docs.cubieboard.org/_media/hardware/gpio_defination_large.jpg?cache=
<mkutsevol> port table on this url: http://linux-sunxi.org/A20/PIO#PG4
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<mkutsevol> And where can i find a full description of http://docs.cubieboard.org/_media/hardware/gpio_defination_large.jpg ? Why are PIN numbers numbered that way? What is HPL/HPR ? etc.
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<bircoe> tomboy64, I had a big file copy going from USB to SATA that had one of the cores pinned at 100%, and the web interfaces were still very responsive.
<tomboy64> web-interfaces? what kinds of services are you running?
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<bircoe> Web interface for tvheadend and phpsysinfo
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<mkutsevol> tvheadend web frontend uses AJAX (sench/extjs framework) - it will be almost always very responsive
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<bircoe> Yes true, but phpsysinfo is pretty heavy generating the page, takes 45 seconds on a Pi.
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<mkutsevol> xbmc problem will be cedarx support, not cpu-related, imho
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<mkutsevol> as stated above - "free software"
<mkutsevol> a20 is capable os 3k decodinng , but it's hardware assisted.
<mkutsevol> of 4k decoding
<mkutsevol> and java's love is usualy memory.
<mkutsevol> smp support is available, so cpu pinning/nice can help make java play nice
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<tomboy64> sounds good :-}
<tomboy64> mkutsevol: what do you mean by "os 4k decoding"?
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<mkutsevol> of 4k decoding
<mkutsevol> one moment
<mkutsevol> 3840×1080@30fps 3D decoding
<tomboy64> ahh :)
<tomboy64> okay, thanks
<mkutsevol> :)
<tomboy64> hmmm
<tomboy64> i've had a htpc a while ago, when booting it up i had to disconnect my workstation monitor in order for it to use the TV (hdmi) as bootup-screen.
<tomboy64> will that be an issue with the cubietruck? would it be able to mirror the output to both screens? (vga out & hdmi)
<mkutsevol> seen some variables to configure that behavior, haven't tried them. I'll searc h for a link for you.
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<tomboy64> not needed
<mkutsevol> ok
<tomboy64> will only be needed around christmas, when i actually get it
<tomboy64> knowing that it's configurable (and approximately where) is enough :)
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<mkutsevol> i haven't tried them. so can't confirm.
<mkutsevol> I'm a big noob in arm
<mkutsevol> yesterday I was happy when I understood how the SoC boots.
<tomboy64> :-D
<tomboy64> i used to tinker around with a neo freerunner
<tomboy64> but quickly got annoyed with the software stack
<tomboy64> e.g. it was unusable
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<mkutsevol> never had a dev phone )
<tomboy64> ^^
<mkutsevol> search for: disp_mode
<bircoe> so the fex files are a bit like a binary version of the config.txt that Raspberry Pi's use?
<mkutsevol> haven't seen config.txt for RPI.
<mkutsevol> At the moment I can tell you that fex files are compiled to a binary form and are placed on boot partition
<mkutsevol> are they executed or passed to the kernel - I don't know
<mkutsevol> I've seen somewhere a phrase, that those biname files (compiled fex) are sunxi kernel specific
<mkutsevol> ..that those binary files...
<bircoe> I see...
<bircoe> makes sense
<mkutsevol> ?
<bircoe> All good...
<bircoe> There are a couple of issues I have to work through with my board though.
<bircoe> CPU load averages is always +1
<bircoe> seems to be a kernel bug
<mkutsevol> LA you mean ?
<bircoe> dunno maybe :)
<bircoe> even when idle for a long time the load averages are always over 1
<mkutsevol> values you see in top ?
<mkutsevol> LA is constructed from many parameters in linux.
<mkutsevol> eg what WA do you have?
<bircoe> Yeah I know, I've seen IO wait on Raspberry Pi's (good ole USB) cause it to be huge...
<mkutsevol> LA in linux is very different from LA in freebsd
<mkutsevol> )
<mkutsevol> kernel load or useespace load is causing LA?
<bircoe> all that box pretty much has is tvheadend running, the rest is just out of the box stuff... similar setup on a Pi with Archlinux had the load averages at <0.5
<mkutsevol> Undestand that LA is something like "how many processes are beeing run/want to run in the time frame"
<tomboy64> bircoe: do you have A20 on that machine?
<bircoe> I understand how it works :)
<bircoe> yes
<bircoe> I'm not the only one to have noticed it, there are a few forum posts with users askign similar questions and i stumbled on this earlier
<tomboy64> remember you have a dual-core there. meaning, you don't need to be worried if load stays <1.5
<bircoe> I know :)
<bircoe> not saying I'm worried... would just like it to behave how it should :)
<mkutsevol> you have D state of some usb thing
<mkutsevol> usb-hardware-sc
<tomboy64> :)
<mkutsevol> iis it allways in D state?
<bircoe> no idea... only had this box running like this for 1.5 days now!
<mkutsevol> just look at the top for several seconds
<bircoe> seems to stay that way
<mkutsevol> It's giving you 1 LA )
<mkutsevol> find out what that process is
<bircoe> seems to definitely be a kernel bug... first google result for "usb-hardware-sc state D"
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<mkutsevol> seems so.
<bircoe> might have to learn how to compile a kernel for this thing and leave out the SUNXI USB2.0 Dual Role Controller driver like the github page shows and see if it;s any better...
<mkutsevol> I'm playing around 3.3 kernel at the moment, but going to try 3.4. There are buildtime options for usb driver. Seen them lately.
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<mkutsevol> see if you have /proc/config.gz on the running system
<bircoe> Linux cubietruck 3.4.61+ #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Oct 26 13:08:57 CST 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
<bircoe> yep it does
<mkutsevol> take config.gz, ungzip it and place as .config in the kernel source dir
<tomboy64> why such old kernels?
<mkutsevol> then exec
<mkutsevol> make ARCH=arm xconfig
<tomboy64> those things are over a year old
<mkutsevol> it's not old for us :(
<tomboy64> ^^
<tomboy64> i really wonder how linux-sunxi differs from mainline
<mkutsevol> MUCH
<bircoe> looks liek a long way to go!
<tomboy64> ehehehe
<tomboy64> + drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_fantasy.c
<tomboy64> + drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq_smartass2.c
<bircoe> smartass is old :P I remember that governor on my Galaxy S
<tomboy64> they already merged quite a bit into mainline
<bircoe> mkutsevol: git cloning now, I'll give this a whirl and see what happens, thanks :)
<mkutsevol> )
<mkutsevol> you will also need a toolchain to buidl the stuff
<bircoe> yeah I do OpenELEC builds on this box so it should be good
<tomboy64> bircoe: are you cross-compiling on your desktop? or building on the machine?
<tomboy64> ahh, yes, should be fine then.
<mkutsevol> a20 has VFP4 - so it supports armhf
<bircoe> cross compile... build on the A20 might take a while :)
<mkutsevol> ^)
<mkutsevol> really )
<tomboy64> bircoe: i used to compile shit on my neo freerunner
<tomboy64> bircoe: with distcc hooked up to my laptop
<bircoe> just downloading this source is going to take a while... going at 600k/s and only at 3% :/
<tomboy64> was quite decent even
<bircoe> lol
<tomboy64> hehehe it's the kernel - what do you expect?
<tomboy64> it's about the busiest piece of software ever created
<tomboy64> especially resolving the deltas will take a while
<bircoe> yeah I know... just underestimated it :)
<bircoe> 5% = 100MB
<tomboy64> bircoe: i think you can also make a shallow-copy
<tomboy64> don't recall how to do that, though
<bircoe> that's alright, it's bed time anyway, gotta be up for work early so it can run overnight
<tomboy64> :)
<tomboy64> russia?
<bircoe> Australia
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<tomboy64> ahh, okay
<tomboy64> well, have a good night then ;)
<mkutsevol> russia is midday now )
<tomboy64> mkutsevol: in kamchatka? :-D
<mkutsevol> it should be evening in kamchatka )
<mkutsevol> kaliningrad )
<mkutsevol> 2:50 in there
<mkutsevol> ukraine 13:50
<bircoe> thanks mkutsevol if your around in a day or so I'll let you know if I had success...
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<mkutsevol> i'll be here. also jabber: max@coolvds.com
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<bircoe> cheers!
<mkutsevol> cheers!
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<nils_2> what kind of power supply do i need to use a sata drive with cubieboard3? i have an 2,5" sata2 drive with 120GB, from an old laptop
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<mkutsevol> look at the drive and multiply Amps and Volts
<mkutsevol> you will get Watts
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<mnemoc> usually those 2.5 drives take less than 1W... but there are exceptions
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<mkutsevol> have anybody tries fasboot command in uboot ?
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<Rasi> tomboy65: the sound on pi is chopped up. and sometimes i get crackling sound without obvious reason
<Rasi> the pi is known for crappy usb audio
<Rasi> hence the question if this is the same for cubieboard
<mkutsevol> ethernet is on the same usb hub on PI
<mkutsevol> noop
<jelly-home> hell I get crappy usb audio on an intel PC if anything else is using the same usb host controller
<bircoe> What he meant to say is fucking awful!
<mkutsevol> dunno for usb, sorry. misunderstood
<jelly-home> did not build snd-usb-audio for cubie yet
<Rasi> my plan is to have a pulseaudio server on it, so other machines can relay sound through it
<Rasi> so having network activity while playing sound is unavoidable in that case
<Rasi> :P
<mkutsevol> i2s on gpio! Is what I want!
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<mkutsevol> emac is not on usb in a20, so network activity should not disturb the usb bus
<mkutsevol> haven't tried yet though
<bircoe> That was the other thing that bugs me, every time my board powers off it gets a new MAC address... Had to hard code MAC into the interfaces file.
<mkutsevol> it is doable in another wat
<mkutsevol> way
<mkutsevol> one monent, seen it lately
<mkutsevol> fex files...
<bircoe> Ahh
<mkutsevol> in the bottom
<bircoe> Thanks
<mkutsevol> kernel parms also may be a way
<tomboy65> the fex files seem to be a way to configure a lot of stuff that's normally preset in the bios.
<tomboy65> i like it :)
<mkutsevol> Rasi: by the way RPI v2 has P5 header with i2s pins. Also asoc already has support for the bcm the PRI is based on
<mkutsevol> If anyone would tell us are they executed or passed to the kernel :) will need to test it.
<Rasi> well yes.. but the bcm chip surely is not meant for high fidelity hifi setups :P
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<Rasi> my speakers dont have an internal dac just that i dont use it :P
<mkutsevol> )
<mkutsevol> many IC used in USB dac have i2s inputs
<Rasi> how would a i2s port look like...
<mkutsevol> i have all hardware to try, lack of time at the moment. I'm very interested in i2s RPI setup
<Rasi> i have never heard that term
<Rasi> :P
<Rasi> my speakers have a jack input , rca connectors and.. well usb to act as an actual DAC to the pc
<mkutsevol> it doesnt have a standart connector
<mkutsevol> if you have not a $5 dac it's alomost for sure done that way: usb -> i2s -> actual dac
<mkutsevol> eg XMOS + pcm5102
<mkutsevol> os ess9023
<mkutsevol> xmos is a USB receiver
<mkutsevol> pcm/ess are DACs
<Rasi> no clue
<Rasi> this is how its seen:
<Rasi> alsa_output.usb-Burr-Brown_from_TI_USB_Audio_CODEC-00-CODEC.iec958-stereo
<mkutsevol> nice dac )
<mkutsevol> don't mess with i2s )
<mkutsevol> it will take you to soldering )
<mkutsevol> by thew way - a20 chips have a much better implementation of integrated analog audio.
<mkutsevol> not like a good dac, but still not PWM like in RPI
<mkutsevol> seems that the implement a delta-sigma dac internally
<mkutsevol> haven't found specs on it but ii head them both. a20 is better.
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<xeloweb> hello
<mkutsevol> Hello!
<xeloweb> any here from germany and have a cubietruck (cubieboard3) and can help me ?
<mkutsevol> have no CT but will be in Germany in a couple of weeks )
<Rasi> hmm
<Rasi> so all in all the cubie sounds like the way to go for now
<xeloweb> thats not realy the help i look for ;) my engl. are to bad to read some :(
<Rasi> sadly the cubie2 kit is out of stock :(
<mkutsevol> CT is a bit better if you don't want to solder
<xeloweb> cubietruck have more power :D
<xeloweb> not realy
<xeloweb> but more nand and Ram
<mkutsevol> noop. they use the same a20 SoC
<xeloweb> and bt and wlan onboard
<mkutsevol> that's true
<xeloweb> but no ct2 images work :(
<xeloweb> and current not realy exist a good working ct3 os
<mkutsevol> but with limited HW support
<xeloweb> i have the problem i dont know how i build the new kernel for fedora 19 to get working wlan
<mkutsevol> ?
<xeloweb> yes but thats not with working wlan
<xeloweb> Known Issues
<xeloweb> Wifi doesn't work on r3 version
<xeloweb> The Wifi driver haven't been merged to linux-sunxi kernel, so the module doesn't work currently on r3 version. But a working wifi driver can be found at github.com/cubieboard2/linux-sunxi branch sunxi-3.4-ct-v101.
<xeloweb> and i dont know what i have to make :D
<mkutsevol> pity. don't have CT, cant help
<xeloweb> its my first time linux
<torbenh3> whats the status of u-boot spl on cubietruck ? i just booted my board for the first time, and went it went through this weird boot0 and boot1 stuff...
<xeloweb> torben i see you from german ?
<torbenh3> xeloweb: yes.
<tomboy65> hehehe your first time linux? and already trying a board with incomplete driver support? curageous ^^
<mkutsevol> Why not? The person want to learn linux. What is so funny in it?
<xeloweb> i dont know
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<Rasi> tomboy65: oh.. what drivers are missing?
<tomboy65> Rasi: well, for one thing the mali driver is a blob. and apparently the wifi driver is still in development and only available via the sunxi kernel.
<Rasi> ok... gpu binary driver is a common problem with such boards
<Rasi> sadly
<tomboy65> yup
<tomboy65> taints the whole stack
<Rasi> well, since my only usecase is audio, i dont care :P
<Rasi> mpd + external DAC + sata drive
<Rasi> as long as this works perfectly, i am satisfied
<Rasi> but i cant find the cubieboard + case anyway, atm :P
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<chkktri> !ls
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<eh2scqw> I want to resize the nand partitions of my cubietruck. tried this command:
<eh2scqw> nand-part -f a20 /dev/nand 128 'boot 32768' 'linux 0'
<eh2scqw> but it seems to be wrong. it overwrites the boot loader
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<tomboy64> i'm contemplating to toy around a bit with building an image for the cubietruck before i actually have it
<tomboy64> would someone be interested in testing it?
<chkktri> out of curiosity, if i replace A10 on my cubei with A20, replace rootfs with kernel will i get cubieboard2?
<mnemoc> rootfs is identical, bootloader and kernel differs
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<tomboy64> is the cubietruck's cpuinfo the same as this here? http://valdodov.com/index.php?show=hardware
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<Rasi> ok
<Rasi> cubietruck.com
<Rasi> reliable site?
<mnemoc> Rasi: see the shops listed in http://cubieboard.org/buy
<Rasi> wtf
<Rasi> 35$ shipping O_o
<Rasi> in germany itself i can only get the truck
<Rasi> which apart from more ram doesnt really give me anything i need
<Rasi> on the other hand its case is ugly :P
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<tomboy64> Rasi: that's "nerdy"
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