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<NicolasDorier> @JackH here is information https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/ the biggest and longest transaction up to date is bb41a757f405890fb0f5856228e23b715702d714d59bf2b1feb70d8b2b4e3e08
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<JackH> so if BU forks, we can recreate an even larger tx on their chain?
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<IRC-Source_36874> BEST BITCOIN INVESTMENT - Earn 5000% BTC ==>> https://goo.gl/OLaAi0
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<rabidus_> how much is 5000% BTC
<Alanius> roughly 50x as much
<parazyd> 810700000
<parazyd> not bad at all :D
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<rabidus_> can i has 810700000 BTC
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<JackH> lol
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<arubi> I think that ^ transaction went easy on us. 5k sigops is not even close to the maximum, and other inputs' scripts are zeroed at hashing so really only the output sticks.
<arubi> I think it's possible to get very close to 20k fully valid sigops in a tx a lot smaller than even 1mb, so you're just left with inflating the outputs (only outputs that don't carry a sigop), and then you can really cause a stall.
<arubi> I'll try that offline first before declaring it actually works on that scale.. :)
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<JackH> that transaction is massive, simply massive
<JackH> how does fee count towards size? since when this was done it was apparently done with a zero fee
<JackH> that wont likely pass these days
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<arubi> JackH, a miner set this up to sweep the 'password1' brain wallet address
<JackH> ahh ok
<arubi> this will never be relayed, but in a block everyone are verifying it. you say it's massive, but it's really not making good use of its size if it was meant to be hard to validate :)
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<JackH> wont it be relayed because it is a non standard tx?
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<JackH> or because you assume miners have some limits in place they set themselves
<arubi> I think nodes won't relay anything past 100k or 5k sigops
<arubi> maybe getting the numbers a bit wrong, but it'll have to be a lot smaller
<arubi> (in size, sigops are pretty close as it is)
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<arubi> JackH, by "anything" I mean transactions outside of blocks, this policy doesn't affect mined txs
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<JackH> yes of course
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<yoleaux> Bitcoin Unlimited Remote Exploit Crash : Bitcoin
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<nsh> talk of "false signalling" in the thread on the BU crash exploit
<nsh> is this worth addressing cryptographically?
<nsh> (ie can you attest to your protocol-compliance somehow rather than just claim it)
<kanzure> that would solve a bunch of other (more important) problems
<kanzure> basically you're talking about snarks
<kanzure> (proofs of faithful execution)
<nsh> well, that's one answer...
<nsh> another might be games with plausible edge-case blocks
<nsh> but more protocol complexity is probably a worse approach than stronger cryptographic assumptions/primitives
<gmaxwell> well segwit is pretty hard to false signal (if you're including the commitment)
* nsh nods
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