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<P4Titan>
adiabat: Hey
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<othe>
nice job fudding around nickler
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<nickler>
othe: I'd be happy to learn about any inaccuracies in the article.
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<othe>
ask your coworkers at blockstream, we disclosed that bug in october to one of them, and discussed a fix. but it's funny how you discovered it now.
<othe>
also the asnl stuff got purged from the papet a while ago due to ledger reviewing it, stuff u could have found out just askinh
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<nickler>
If there is any public resource about the ledger review, I'd like to link to it of course. Especially since the papers on labs.getmonero.org and iacr are not updated. However, I don't see how this contradicts anything said in the article.
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<zmanian>
nickler: Does the forgery in the range proof let you counterfeit value?
<zmanian>
Or does it let you exclude outputs from blocks
<nickler>
zmanian: the former. You'd be able to produce outputs with 'negative' amounts. So if you're spending 1 coin you can create an output with any value because the verification equation still holds: 1 - (1 + x - x) = 0. Then you just spend the output with +x.
<zmanian>
That's what I thought
<zmanian>
Would be good to have that in the blog post
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<Taek>
othe: please keep the hostility turned down. Iirc, RingCT has not been deployed yet. If that is the case, it should be simple enough to release a post exlaining that the problem has already been resolved and that there was never a risk of that vuln. making it into production
<othe>
it was deployed an later fixed, at the same time reported to blockstream, then a magical blockstream uh we just found this bug post came out, 2 months later. Also there was zero communication with us, even tho he obviously already had written exploit code.
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<othe>
am a complete outsider to Monero and especially the Monero development community, --- i also call this bs as he is retweeting monero related stuff since september on his twitter, i am out of this discussion now.
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<midnightmagic>
othe: This isn't the place for that sort of thing.
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<andytoshi>
FYI, when people PM me asking about potential bugs, this is not "reporting to blockstream" and i don't then go tell all of my coworkers. this would not be responsible disclosure
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<kanzure>
andytoshi: so you're hoarding? i'm kidding.
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<fluffypony>
kanzure: he doesn't have time to write blog posts :)
<kanzure>
i was trying to make a joke about blockstream internals, but w/e
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* fluffypony
cuts through the tension with a knife
<kanzure>
?
<andytoshi>
i think everyone's had a bit of time to calm down, and I don't want to re-start anything, but just for the record: jonas' blog isn't a blockstream thing at all
<kanzure>
would it make sense to soft-fork in predictable fees and then use another PoW lottery for fee prioritization
<kanzure>
or is it important for some other reason that coinbase txouts get reused to fund fees?
<kanzure>
er, i mean s/fee prioritization/transaction prioritization/
<Taek>
depends on what you mean by predictable fees, but important to remember that there are always channels for paying fees out-of-band, and if the gap is large for how much someone would like to pay vs. how much they are allowed to pay, they will use those out of band channels
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<kanzure>
Taek: i was thinking about the consequences of small utxos that, for now, seem large (way way above the dust limit) but don't have enough value to pay future fee.
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<kanzure>
Taek: if you knew roughly the future fee anyway, then you wouldn't knowingly create small utxos now
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