#bitcoin-wizards on 2015-07-29 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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09:00 <CodeShark> OP_CHECKSPVPROOF

09:00 <CodeShark> ftw!

09:01 <CodeShark> or OP_CHECKSPVPROOFVERIFY OP_DROP to make it a soft fork :)

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09:24 <justanotheruser> I don't see the softfork

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20:19 <phantomcircuit> justanotheruser, ?

20:20 <phantomcircuit> justanotheruser, OP_CHECKSPVPROOFVERIFY doesn't modify anything on the stack; it cant only invalidate the transaction

20:20 <phantomcircuit> you need the OP_DROP to then drop the value from the stack

20:20 <phantomcircuit> (or not)

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20:25 <kanzure> where is OP_CHECKSPVPROOFVERIFY defined

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20:31 <phantomcircuit> kanzure, it's not

20:31 <phantomcircuit> kanzure, but that's how all the soft fork op codes work

20:34 <justanotheruser> phantomcircuit: yeah, I guess I didn't think of the implied fact that the script can't be of any other form

20:34 <justanotheruser> also, I must not be thinking clearly, are *any* deployed soft forks working that way?

20:37 <phantomcircuit> justanotheruser, p2sh basically works that way except without the op code

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20:37 <phantomcircuit> (the p2sh implementation is pretty bad... BIP 17 is clearly superior to BIP 16 but unfortunately nobody seemed to notice at the time)

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20:38 <justanotheruser> well it works by merging opcodes, which I guess is similar

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20:39 <phantomcircuit> justanotheruser, BIP 17 would have worked the way i described

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20:39 <justanotheruser> yeah

20:39 <justanotheruser> It makes sense that way, OP_EVAL requires too much work each time

20:40 <phantomcircuit> justanotheruser, OP_EVAL has serious issues

20:40 <phantomcircuit> i cant remember what they are right now but iirc they're bad enough that it would have been potentially catastrophic

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21:49 <nsh> IP = PSPACE using Error Correcting Codes -- http://www.math.ias.edu/~ormeir/papers/ip_pspace.pdf

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