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<bfree> it shouldn't (unless you have redirects blocked). https://duckduckgo.com/ is the long way to type it ;-) http://donttrack.us/ is more fun though
<mnemoc> curl -I https://ddg.gg/ <--- empty output and waiting for 4m already
<mnemoc> if it's just a 301 I just have seen it long ago
<bfree> yep, it's just a shorthand redirect
<mnemoc> same issue from home and a server in hetzner.de
<mnemoc> both even resolving different IPs (208.94.146.70 and 208.94.146.81)
<mnemoc> funky
<bfree> seems https is the culprit, http://ddg.gg seems to work fine to redirect to https://duckduckgo.com
<mnemoc> :)
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<hno> specing, none of the 4 servers of ddg.gg listen to https port 443 (firewalled)
<mripard> Turl: pong
<Turl> mripard: I saw your gpio patches are in mainline
<mripard> yes
<Turl> mripard: and arnd sent a pull req including my dt patch
<mripard> yes
<mripard> but he also reverted it...
<Turl> mripard: but I think they missed the gpio-controller; patch
<Turl> oh
<mripard> precisely because they missed the gpio-controller patch
<mripard> and so our patches for the LED broke the build
<mripard> I asked Arnd if we could merge it in 3.9-rc2, still waiting for an answer
<Turl> ok then :)
<Turl> mripard: on another news, I implemented apb1
<mripard> I've seen Mike Turquette several time these past days, but I didn't have the occasion to ask him to review your patches :)
<mripard> ah, great
<Turl> mripard: I didn't actually test it fully as there's no user, but the clock reading indicates it's operating at 24Mhz - sourced from osc and all divisors set to 0
<mripard> users are uarts and i2cs controllers
<mripard> did you implement the gating on it?
<mripard> or just the dividers?
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<Turl> it is gatable? hmm
<mripard> it is
<mripard> basically, every clocks are gateable
<mripard> AHB is, APB0 and 1 are
<mripard> 0x68
<Turl> hm, so we need a lot of child gate clocks, one per component then?
<mripard> no
<mripard> there's a trick here
<mripard> define a single gate
<mripard> which will have a clock-cell size of 1
<mripard> and so, when you reference the phandle in the device tree, you pass the offset of that clock in your register
<mripard> something like clocks = <&apb0-gate 42>;
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<mdp> is anybody working on the spi driver for upstream yet? I haven't seen anything but wanted to make sure it wasn't already being handled.
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<mripard> I'm working on the i2c one, so feel free to work on the SPI one :)
<mdp> mripard: was going to find you f2f at elc but haven't lined up yet
<mdp> ok
<mripard> and I'm not aware of anyone working on the SPI
<mripard> mdp: you're at the ELC? really?
<mripard> I should be one of the guy near the camcorders if you want to find me :)
<mdp> cool..yeah, i'll try to find you...aha!
<mripard> or a tall guy speaking with an awful french accent :)
<mdp> i should have known given your affiliation :)
<mdp> love yor elc videos
<mdp> *your
<mdp> which session are you in now?
<mripard> the CDF BoF
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<Turl> mripard: and how do you read that 42 then from the code?
<mripard> Turl: if you want to see how to do the clock-cells stuff
<mripard> look at the mvebu clocks
<mripard> they do exactly that
<mripard> for the coreclk iirc
<mripard> ah, I guess that answers your question :)
<mripard> or you can look at gregory's talk from yesterday
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<Turl> I'll have a look at that then, thanks :)
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<SPG> lkcl master fb2d027 rhombus freescale/iMX6/ news.html news/eoma68_imx6_pcb_wip2.png * imx6 news * http://git.hands.com/?p=rhombus.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb2d027
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<ZaEarl> Ooh, Ubuntu tablet edition is based on CM10.1.
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<theRat__> mdp, are you talking about spi_sunxi? If so I have been looking at it a bit.
<bsdfox_> ZaEarl, so the userland is android?
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<ZaEarl> no
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<ZaEarl> bsdfox_, not sure what they cut out, I just know so far there's no dalvik.
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<ZaEarl> The android layer is here: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/
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<libv> ZaEarl: hah, so they are using the android binaries then
<libv> ah, ok? really?
<libv> hrm, what other advantage would basing things on android have
<roxfan> hipness++
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<mnemoc> nah, it's just pragmatism
<libv> it's the only way to get backing, indeed, there is no way that the device makers are going to port kernel/userspace to a unknown and unimportant infrastructure of a separate OS
<libv> it does however, not help us at all
<libv> it actually puts us further back
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* mnemoc nods
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<RaYmAn> they _only_ use the android parts to be able to use the android gralloc, hwcomposer & egl drivers
<RaYmAn> (they use libhybris to call the bionic-linked libraries from glibc)
<rm> typical ubuntu philosophy
<libv> sure, but this makes it harder for us, proper linux users.
<libv> there is even less push now to get binaries out for linux
<libv> and this singles out us ARM GPU REers even more
<rm> sacrifice every bit of sanity, correctness or any moral standpoint to make something that "kind of works" asap
<RaYmAn> to be fair, ubuntu didn't create libhybri :P
<RaYmAn> (aptly named, don't you think?)
<hramrach> well, it makes sense to use the tested libraries in an emulation
<hramrach> it's been done so many times for so many things
<jinzo> also, I don't think their effort will produce anything meaningfull.
<jinzo> Look at their TV "push"
<jinzo> they lack focus, and manpower to do what they wish to do.
<hramrach> maybe they are just trying out things to see what works and what fails
<hramrach> nobody has all successful projects
<jinzo> but they have a focus span of a 3 year old :/
<jinzo> most of the sucessfull stories out there are from a continued focus and effort
<hramrach> I can't blame them
<hramrach> I have the focus span of 2yo ;-)
<jinzo> Nobody can "blame them", but I think that they're walking the line when they're actually beneficial to the whole OSS community (and leeching on the other site)
<jinzo> s/site/side/
<ibot> jinzo meant: Nobody can "blame them", but I think that they're walking the line when they're actually beneficial to the whole OSS community (and leeching on the other side)
<hramrach> +past?
<hramrach> well, they can do what they want. they run their projects on their own budget so ..
<hramrach> it's not like they owe anything to anybody
<jinzo> not saying that, I'm just saying that the perspective OSS community has towards them (in relation, to let's say RH)
<hramrach> plus I like to use Ubuntu build serversthey provide for free
<jinzo> good for you, didn't say everything is bad - just saying that, in my honest opinion - they are not doing things (even remotely) right to succeed.
<hramrach> not all Ubuntu/Cononical is useful bet they give more choice and raise some questions that would get overlooked otherwise, in general
<hramrach> I guess that vital part of Ubuntu phone success or failure is the partnership with carriers
<hramrach> the software even as it is no more lame than any other phone
<hramrach> but you need the phone included in the plans and the support trained to set it up so users can actually use it
<hramrach> without being kernel hackers
<jinzo> I would say that's not the case. MS and Apple don't allow carriers close for a reason (not to mention that most carriers in europe don't do the shit US carriers do)
<hramrach> canonical does not have its own stores throughout the world
<hramrach> they need the carriers
<hramrach> what MS phone is out there?
<jinzo> ofcourse, but they don't need to allow carriers to botch up the software
<jinzo> quite some, but MS is taking the bruteforce method mostly (throw a lot of money at it, for a lot of time)
<jinzo> it kinda worked for them with the XBOX, now they're doing it for the mobile
<hramrach> did not notice any MS phone
<hramrach> but maybe they come, eventually
<jinzo> oh, you mean a phone that's manufactured by MS itself?
<hramrach> oh, you mean WinRT phone? that is on the way, hmm
<hramrach> just completely useless
<hramrach> maybe next version
<hramrach> WinRT seems to be the WinVista of mobile
<hramrach> well, all mobile windows was junk so far
<jinzo> Like I said, they're throwing money at it with a showel. Canonical probably can't do that to the extent MS can.
<jinzo> I don't think that matters, because all of the phones sold today are of a decent quality and do what 85% of people buy them for
<jinzo> and they don't really care if it's Windows Phone 7 on it or Android
<jinzo> or Ubuntu phone
<jinzo> and Canonical should, in my honest opinion, target the people that do care
<hramrach> I have yet to find a phone that does what I buy phones for - phone calls
<jinzo> because the market for people that don't has some big ass gorillas in it (Samsung, Apple, Microsoft/nokia, even HTC...)
<hramrach> jinzo: I think they are trying to aim for seamless experience Ubuntu Desktop - Ubuntu phone
<hramrach> and are probably going to do better at it than MS
<hramrach> because they are not going to just cripple the system for no reason
<Turl> hramrach: do people call still in 2013? :O
<jinzo> I own a 3 year old HTC Desire I got off a programming contest that a local carrier and HTC organised
<hramrach> just many applications will be useless on the phone hardware but it's up to the people to not install and use those
<jinzo> I'm running Android 4.2.2 on it (that's the latest) and I can SSH to it.
<jinzo> I have to charge it every day, and it reboots occasionaly (out of thin air)
<hramrach> Turl: yes, I do phone. not much but that's what I have a phone for
<hramrach> yes, that's exactly why I don't want a 'smartphone'
<hramrach> it's neither smart not phone
<jinzo> but yes, my next phone will be something Nexus branded (or a sibling), because I love it how I can treat (not use per se) my phone as a PC
<jinzo> I also noticed how my life is better if I don't anwser all of my phone calls :D
<jinzo> and how people learned that I prefer a SMS/E-mail, so I can read/respond/think it over when I actually have time
<jinzo> ok, I'll end my monologue, sorry :
<hramrach> well, you get that with a tablet + bluetooth phone as well
<hramrach> and the tablet is better at being smart and the phone at being phone, then. Or you can pick one that is
<jinzo> or use the Asus thingie :D
<jinzo> (The tablet in which you can input/store the phone)
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<fossxplorer> Hi folks
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<fossxplorer> Is there any Android stick coming with quad core other than GK802?
<fossxplorer> sky770, hey
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<RaYmAn> probably
<fossxplorer> Any news/rumors about any devices?
<hramrach> any decent rk3066 device?
<hramrach> it's supposed to have quad core graphics ;-)
<fossxplorer> hramrach, rk3066 does have Mali 400 with quad core IIRC
<hramrach> yes, quad core graphics
<fossxplorer> I was interested in quad core CPU to get more CPU power :)
<fossxplorer> rk3066 is behind the better mobile phone's CPU on the market :(
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<hramrach> fossxplorer: if you don't insist on stick format there is odroid u2
<fossxplorer> hramrach, yeah i really like U2, but the problem is it's from Korea with shipping, custom tax here etc, costs too much
<xenoxaos> i wish they could do a reseller in the US or something
<hramrach> nono
<hramrach> no resellers :p
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<buZz> fossxplorer: there will be a odroid coming with exynos 5 ;)
<buZz> for your rumorhunger
<buZz> hopefully also exynos 5 octa
<fossxplorer> Oh, great!
* buZz wants big.LITTLE
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<fossxplorer> Sounds awesome! Looking forward!
<buZz> me too :)
<fossxplorer> :)
<buZz> have to upgrade my laptop :) 8 core laptop sounds awesome
<fossxplorer> Oh yes!
<fossxplorer> With low power hungry CPUs
<Gumboot> I think the usual configuration will be four cores.
<buZz> yeah
<Gumboot> Switching between fast and slow.
<Gumboot> sorry.
<buZz> both cores are 100% compatible
<Gumboot> Switching between speedy and efficient.
<buZz> can run the exact same code
<buZz> guess they will also share cache
<buZz> i hope virtualbox or vmware will adopt these new ARM virtualization extensions
<fossxplorer> Looks like exynos 5 dual got Mali T604 :)
<Gumboot> There's a whole bunch of extra compute, too.
<Gumboot> Have the OpenCL drivers come out, yet?
<buZz> doubtfull
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<Gumboot> I heard rumours, that's all.
<specing> buZz: Not sure about those, but Qemu will :)
<Gumboot> But compute is at the very least supported via Renderscript. So there's at least proof of principle there.
<buZz> nice :)
<specing> Im not sure why everyone uses virtualbox
<specing> Qemu smashes it in every single benchmark
<buZz> easier configuration
<specing> + Qemu can emulate pretty much everything in existance
<hramrach> virtualbox has nice clickety UI
<hramrach> works easily on Windows
<buZz> hmm
<hramrach> the UI is slow as hell, especially on Windows, and does not work with absolute input devices
<buZz> i still have a qemu binary here compiled for armv6 to throw on my phone, with a win95 image :P
<hramrach> but who cares? Click! Click!
<specing> There are UIs for Qemu
<hramrach> but they don't work
<hramrach> nobody usees them so they never get fixed
<specing> Heh
* specing likes command lines
* Gumboot suspects he might not have been using qemu because he didn't know what it was for.
* specing suspects Gumboot's suspicion might be correct
<Gumboot> I only knew about its user-mode emulation, and had some vague awareness that it was used in Android builds and Android development.
<Gumboot> Can it do ARM on ARM efficiently?
<Gumboot> Heck... can it even do x86 on x86 efficiently?
<hramrach> yes, with the virt extensions
<hramrach> arm has virt extensions on A15 or so
<buZz> and on A7
<Gumboot> What if you don't have those? It's impossible, or just inefficient?
<buZz> inefficient
<Gumboot> Oh, my question is a tree.
<Gumboot> Inefficient but supported, or inefficient and unsupported?
<buZz> the former :)
<Gumboot> one more branch...
<Gumboot> Inefficient as in emulated, or inefficient as in natively executed code but with more overhead than hardware virtualisation would require?
<buZz> that i am not sure of
<specing> I think it does JIT
<specing> "dynamic translation" sure sounds like it
<Gumboot> I guess the general idea is that the JIT might get a lot thinner and so the boundary between emulated and unemulated gets kind of fuzzy.
<specing> Gumboot: try with -enable-kvm and -no-kvm and see ;D
<Gumboot> I'm starting to wonder if I have a solution for running Android apps on an ARM tablet running Linux.
<Gumboot> Last I saw the ARM whole-machine emulation on x86, which came with the Android SDK, was pretty terrible. I'm wondering if an ARM host would improve that.
<buZz> well there are some tricks for running android apps within windows etc, might be easy enough to pull something like that into linux
<Gumboot> Tricks as in x86 Dalvik?
<buZz> the android SDK packages qemu
<buZz> i am playing with http://androvm.org/ at work
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* mnemoc just found he ordered a book he already had :|
<buZz> mnemoc: add a bookcrossing sticker and put it in a bookcase at a hackerspace ;)
<specing> mnemoc: roflmao
<mnemoc> 22E wasted
<Turl> mripard: just got the onecell stuff working :)
<Turl> now I need to work something out to assign nice names to them
<mnemoc> buZz: no hackerspace around here....
<buZz> which book is it?
<mnemoc> o'reilly's restful web services cookbook
<mnemoc> i suppose i can donate it to the library
<mnemoc> i think i saw a banner of bookcrossing in a public library near by
<arete74> mnemoc: was is the shipping cost spain-italy?
<buZz> bookcrossing is awesome ;)
<mnemoc> arete74: more than what I paid for the book "free shipping" from .ie
<mnemoc> correos.es wants 29E to send 500g to italy.... wtf
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<Turl> easy question :)
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<specing> They should ask something harder
<specing> e.g. how many registers does the <insert the MSP they have onboard> have?
<mnemoc> specing: the point is to attract people, not to exclude them
<specing> I know, but... :D
<specing> This is stupid
<mnemoc> it's marketing :)
<specing> I agree that marketing is stupid, yes
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<mnemoc> L84Supper: hi, considering your 30+ years experience with mainboards, can you help me to make http://linux-sunxi.org/User:Alejandro_Mery/Lapdock reasonable? ;-)
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<L84Supper> mnemoc: I haven't been watching the dongles that closely. Do they vary much on the type of USB and HDMI connectors used?
<L84Supper> ^^ that's a good idea, make it compatible with any SOC dongle
<L84Supper> also gets away from all the EOMA hype
<L84Supper> mnemoc: who is still making lapdocs? Didn't everyone stop except for the Toshiba tablet
<L84Supper> add a battery and you have a portable device
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<buZz> motorola is still making lapdocks
<L84Supper> buZz: anyone else?
<buZz> they stopped, then google bought them, now they make them again
<L84Supper> ah ok
<buZz> nobody besides motorola makes lapdocks
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<buZz> thats the new one yes
<buZz> they have two versions now
<buZz> this one (smaller than original one) and another that is bigger
<L84Supper> tooling is the big expense, but if we 3d print the enclosures then there's no real big expense
<buZz> i think the bigger one is not so hackerfriendly
<L84Supper> i can see about buying their enclosures and keyboard
<L84Supper> but will that be of any benefit?
<L84Supper> are the connectors in the right places?
<L84Supper> is there a battery?
<buZz> not all lapdocks have connector in the same place
<buZz> because designers are morrons
<L84Supper> tell me about it :)
<buZz> i have a lapdock for droid bionic, connectors are _reversed_ from the lapdock for atrix 4g
<buZz> its ok cause i just use cables to connect a cubieboard, but still ...
<L84Supper> if there is a current device available with an enclosure and keyboard = battery we can use then protos could be in a few weeks when I have some time
<buZz> lapdock has a battery
<buZz> i can run cubieboard on 100% cpu and sata disk for about 6 hours
<buZz> and screen turned on
<L84Supper> is there any other than the motorola?
<buZz> no
<buZz> not that i know
<buZz> if you need a betatester, i am very willing ;)
<buZz> BEYOND willing
<L84Supper> heh
<buZz> i have been hunting for a 3D model of the phone ment to dock with my lapdock
<buZz> but just found one design, that charges 40 usd for the model
<buZz> pff
<L84Supper> we could make it work with any dongle or phone with USB and HDMI
<buZz> yes
<buZz> it should be a breakout board to make the connectors common
<L84Supper> or a choice of connectors for the soldering iron impaired
<buZz> yes
<buZz> also be sure to add a power breakout
<buZz> not all boards get their power over the same connector as they get USB clients
<L84Supper> this could be more mainstream than hacker, with hacker support
<buZz> hacker and prosumer is blending more and more each day
<L84Supper> it would just need a selection of dongle/adapters for different devices
<L84Supper> yeah, this is pretty easy
<L84Supper> good thing i also make 3d printers big enough to print enclosures this size :)
<buZz> ;)
<buZz> my printer is just 18x16x10cm volume
<buZz> but the next will be bigger :P
<buZz> 21x27x30cm probably
<L84Supper> this would use SLA or inkjet
<L84Supper> or both
<buZz> not so tough or durable
<L84Supper> good thing i also make photopolymers :)
<buZz> you _make_ photopolymers?
<L84Supper> yeah
<buZz> i think we need to talk about getting a bucket of your stuff :P
<L84Supper> and inks and fluids for printed electronics
<buZz> hackerspace buddy of mine is making a UV projetor at the moment
<buZz> and plans to work with photopolymers after that
<buZz> bucktownpolymers are just photopolymers from printing presses
<buZz> we can get those cheaper locally
<L84Supper> nope
<buZz> why are they Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Blue then ;)
<buZz> eh
<buZz> Black
<L84Supper> they make hundreds of formulas, the ones at that link are tweaked for SLA
<buZz> well then we will just go local ;)
<mnemoc> L84Supper: they mostly have all male full size hdmi, and mini-usb for the otg
<L84Supper> as long as I don't have to touch any software :)
<L84Supper> mnemoc: all the same gender?
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<buZz> some have female full size hdmi
<mnemoc> but full male/male cables are easy and cheap to get
<mnemoc> devboards are full female too
<buZz> there are also hdmi genderchangers ;)
<buZz> you could also give the option of putting female or male plugs on the board
<buZz> if possible
<L84Supper> so the doc would need 1 mini-usb male and 1 hdmi male, additional gender changes would be the option
<L84Supper> to make it really popular you should try to make it as easy as opening the box and plugging it in
<L84Supper> the hackers would be a small subset of the customer base
<L84Supper> but it would support all
<mnemoc> i wasn't thinking in "open to plug"
<L84Supper> it just needs easy access for mods
<mnemoc> just to stick
<L84Supper> and the USB dongle shouldn't just flop around
<L84Supper> it could be a low budget approach using hook and loop to secure it to the rear of the doc, or a more elaborate "pen/cage" in the rear that would secure it for portability
<L84Supper> how about use with smartphones? is there any sanity yet for the video connectors?
<L84Supper> mini or micro USB is pretty standard, but how about HDMI?
<mnemoc> there are mhl to hdmi/usb cables
<L84Supper> there are several laptop snap in keyboard vendors
<mnemoc> it's impossible to be perfect for every case, but it's possible to make it easy for most cases
<L84Supper> yeah, just trying to see how far to go
<L84Supper> while keeping it simple
<L84Supper> dongles are cheap or easy to make
<L84Supper> if they are just gender changers, breakout etc
<mnemoc> as they are aimed as "tv sticks" they'll keep full hdmi
<L84Supper> low temp and pressure molding equipment makes it easy, 3d printing makes it even easier
<mnemoc> and all dev boards are coming with full hdmi (but female) too
<L84Supper> I meant passive dongles, the soc dongles are actually not too complicated either
<mnemoc> 3g modems and pendrives?
<L84Supper> so an ARM dongle could power a lapdoc or a tablet
<buZz> lapdock doesnt need power
<buZz> it has a battery
<buZz> it powers the device hooked up
<mnemoc> the lapdock powers the stick/board
<L84Supper> cpu power (brains), not electrical power
<mnemoc> yes
<L84Supper> we are on the same page, just using different terms :)
<L84Supper> we are printing parts as tough as ABS
<buZz> :P
<buZz> ABS is not tough, its bendy
<mnemoc> one gives usb keyboard/mouse and ther other doesn't
<L84Supper> if i can't find a lapdoc case we can print them
<buZz> Polycarbonate is tough
<L84Supper> depends on how you want to define it
<mnemoc> it needs to be strong to be worthy
<mnemoc> bending netbooks were unusable because of that
<L84Supper> I'm not concerned about the polymers
<L84Supper> it won't be bendy
<mnemoc> my main concern is (electrical) power :)
<mnemoc> mostly because I don't understand how those things work :|
<mnemoc> 12V -> LiPo -> 3.3V/6A+
<L84Supper> working on something now with a modulus in the 10's of Gpa
<buZz> 12V -> charger -> lipo -> regulator -> 3.3
<mnemoc> and that can be done without much complexity without harming the battery when used plugged to the wall?
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<L84Supper> power supply is not an issue
<mnemoc> great to hear :)
<L84Supper> lots of batteries to choose from as well
<mnemoc> was fearing to have some "WTF?"s in there
<mnemoc> it was written based on my wishlist as mere user
<L84Supper> they killed the lapdocs
<L84Supper> and now Google brought them back
<mnemoc> they made them 1) expensive, 2) crappy screen, 3) phone-model-specific
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<L84Supper> phone and tablet vendors don't want to cooperate, they would want some deal to have a 3rd party lapdoc
<L84Supper> mostly involving some large sum of cash heading their way and control of the product
<L84Supper> but with your way all the ARM dongle makers can get in the deal
<L84Supper> and if we leave enough room the dongles can be larger to support 4-9-16 core devices as they arrive
<L84Supper> and >1GB DDR3
<buZz> what about the devboards!
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<L84Supper> now to convince a dongle maker to add SATA
<mnemoc> buZz: devboards can connect with two cables, no adapters. and the "charger usb port" is there to feed their extra needs as for a sata
<L84Supper> buZz: have to see what I can find first off the shelf for this vs building everything
<L84Supper> actually I'd just have to publish a dongle design with SATA and they would arrive in a few weeks
<mnemoc> buZz: and any other spare usb port should be 0.5A
<mnemoc> it was so depressing allwinner removed sata from the A10S
<L84Supper> I haven't kept up, whats the A10s?
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<mnemoc> L84Supper: an small A10 for dongles and settops
<L84Supper> smaller package, fewer pins?
<mnemoc> BGA336 14x14mm
<L84Supper> are the older A10's still available?
<buZz> cubieboard
<mnemoc> L84Supper: yes. and the A20 is pin compatible
<L84Supper> ok
<mnemoc> L84Supper: A20 = A10 with dual cortex-a7 and dual mali400
<L84Supper> this would also support dongles using Exynos, Rockchip etc etc
<mnemoc> L84Supper: yes
<buZz> didnt A20 drop SATA support?
<mnemoc> buZz: no, it has it
<buZz> ah sweet
<buZz> is tom already working on cubie2 with A20?
<mnemoc> buZz: it's intended as a drop-in replacement PCB-wise
<L84Supper> we should leave room for a 2.5" sata and connector
<mnemoc> buZz: it's said the A20 is not "taped out" yet
<buZz> ah ok
<buZz> just engineering samples
<mnemoc> L84Supper: you mean the rail to house it within the lapdock and with the connectors pointing outside?
<L84Supper> Droid Bionic lapdocs vary in price
<mnemoc> L84Supper: or power it inside the lapdock and only passthrough the sata?
<mnemoc> L84Supper: they are all officially deprecated and sold "under cost"
<L84Supper> mnemoc: something like that, just so that it can support SATA as an option, maybe a snap on, powered by the doc and only with SATA for signals
<mnemoc> sexy idea
<L84Supper> if they are officially gone then I might be able to find their old supplier
<L84Supper> and tooling
<mnemoc> \o/
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<L84Supper> they probably got stuck with parts, unused enclosures and hardware
<L84Supper> the tools are probably gathering dust on a shelf until they are recycled for scrap
<L84Supper> are there any lapdocs on alibaba or similar sites, they may point the way to the source
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<mnemoc> :o
<mnemoc> back in 15m
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<L84Supper> it could use any external HDMI monitor and keyboard, it would only contain the battery and electronics for docking and pass-through
<L84Supper> but then the wold thing would not be compact and portable
<L84Supper> wold / whole
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<vinifm> from the viewpoint kernel what is the difference between connect to a USB HUB and directly to the USB host controller?
<mnemoc> vinifm: same
<vinifm> my usb-ethernet dont works, only using USB HUB
<vinifm> sorry, my usb-ethernet don't it works, only using USB HUB
<Turl> power supply, grounding maybe
<Turl> I have a PLsomething uart that stops working after ~5s if I connect it directly to my PC
<mnemoc> rm: the stage branches include a patch to fix usb problems with unaligned data
<vinifm> i tested in a13-olinuxino-micro
<vinifm> with stage/sunxi-3.0
<mnemoc> L84Supper: if you can't find the source of the original lapdock shell, I think I've seen hunchbacked laptops too
<mnemoc> vinifm: and when connected directly works?
<vinifm> no, only works using HUB
<mnemoc> odd
<vinifm> with HUB: usb 2-1.3: new full speed USB device number 4 using sw-ehci
<vinifm> without, just: ehci_irq: port change detect
<vinifm> The port change to OHCI now!
<Turl> full speed is USB1 speeds
<Turl> you probably have a USB1 hub then
<vinifm> a13-micro have one USB host and one OTG
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<vinifm> I connect the USB host
<rm> vinifm, is it a powered hub?
<vinifm> I connect HUB to the USB host...
<mnemoc> L84Supper: added the eSATA idea to the wiki
<vinifm> so the board feeds the hub
<mnemoc> L84Supper: for not sata-cable dongles/boards there are cheap usb/esata adapters
<L84Supper> bbl, will investigate sources
<L84Supper> that vendor from Beijing might be interesting
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<mnemoc> L84Supper: thanks :)
<L84Supper> but the doc is in the front where the trackpad should be, so maybe a trackpad the size of the phone to drop in place
<mnemoc> having the connectors in front (or trackpad area) will make it useless for dev boards :<
<mnemoc> imagine the cables bothering you when typing
<L84Supper> the cables could hide below the pad
<L84Supper> in that area the phone drops into
<L84Supper> just an idea, might not have enough space
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<mnemoc> might work
<mnemoc> and they can also have other models of chassis
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<L84Supper> laptop cases are easy to find, they have been around for 20+ years
<L84Supper> you just want to find matching keyboards, display and battery
<L84Supper> so it can't be too old
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<vinifm> I noticed that the USB HOST only recognizes USB 2.0 devices, but does not recognize USB 1.0
<vinifm> would not be stuff driver?
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<buZz> vinifm: add a USB2 HUB between
<buZz> then USB1 devices work
<vinifm> yes, but datasheet said "Support High-Speed (HS, 480-Mbps), Full-Speed (FS, 12-Mbps), and Low-Speed (LS,1.5-Mbps) Device"
<vinifm> about USB HOST Controller
<Turl> it's probably a driver bug
<vinifm> i agree with you
<mnemoc> hansg introduced himself as usb expert, and ended up messing with every driver except usb :)
<vinifm> can i open a issue about this?
<mnemoc> vinifm: mailing list
<vinifm> mailing list is not only for patch?
<Turl> not really, it's for issues and discussion too
<Turl> see for example the thread about wemac performance rm did
<mnemoc> also most people from the ML is not subscribed to github issues
<buZz> vinifm: on OMAP4, usb port supports usb2 clients only, unless you add a usb hub
<buZz> the usb OTG supports all types of usb though
<buZz> might be a bug but its a _very_ common bug across platforms
<vinifm> ok
<ZaEarl> Who's with me in porting Ubuntu Tablet to A10? Turl? :)
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<mnemoc> vinifm: forgot to tell what kernel version :<
<vinifm> sorry :)
<mnemoc> now feel the shame or having to reply yourself :)
<mnemoc> s/or/of/
<ibot> mnemoc meant: now feel the shame of having to reply yourself :)
<hramrach> ZaEarl: what porting does it need?
<hramrach> just install the packages and be done with it
<ZaEarl> gotta merge our kernel into their cm10.1 stuff
<ZaEarl> I'm still syncing the source
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<hramrach> wut cm10?
<hramrach> isn't it supposed to be Linux?
<Turl> it's linux-ish on a chroot inside half of android
<Turl> uses QML I heard
<hramrach> yuck
<RaYmAn> the android base is used entirely to get 'free' drivers
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<Turl> (free as in already working, not related to free software)
<RaYmAn> indeed
<hramrach> so if you just install the linux part will it work?
<Turl> no
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<Turl> at least I don't suppose it will
<RaYmAn> technically speaking, I guess it might if you convince it to not use android drivers.
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<buZz> ubuntu tablet is android? :D
<buZz> wahahahahahaha
<hramrach> and what's in the linux part that is worth having?
<Turl> the adware on unity?
<Turl> nvm, that's the desktop version :P
<buZz> hmmf can only find press release retypes about ubuntutablet
<buZz> anyone has an indepth article on it?
<buZz> lol
<buZz> no Turl
<eebrah> Turl that is a press release
<RaYmAn> they haven't really done any indepth stuff other than the ubuntu devices page
<RaYmAn> and then of course, one can look at the source.
<buZz> pff digging through ubuntu's mediaforest looking for developer info
<RaYmAn> phablet.ubuntu.com
<hramrach> mediaforest :DD
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<mripard> Turl: I wouldn't want to use the dtc preprocessor stuff
<mripard> at least for bindings as simple as the one you're doing
<mripard> but it's great you got something working :)
<mripard> send what you did as follow-up series
<mripard> not part on the one you already submitted
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<Turl> mripard: I don't think it'd be too friendly to read "<&axi_gates 5>"
<Turl> but then it's a write once and never touch thing
<mripard> it's not less friendly than the interrupts number, or pin banks/number, and so on
<Turl> mripard: this is what I got so far, let me know if the dt bindings look right http://sprunge.us/MUNS?diff
<Turl> mripard: also, we opened #linux-sunxi for sunxi specific talk, feel free to join us there :)
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<user135> hi, I'm following this guide: http://linux-sunxi.org/CWM_on_a_SDCard and I'm trying to locate script.bin for my device, but I don't know where it is. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
<Turl> it's on the nanda partition on nand
<user135> I'm not sure how to mount that. :/
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<user135> oh, found it
<user135> thanks
<user135> :)
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<mripard> Turl: looks great to me
<mripard> but like I was saying previously, i would be great if you could do a v2 of your patches pretty quick, try to focus on that
<mripard> and don't merge the apb1 and gates into it, keep the same features
<mripard> just address gregory's comments, and send it
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<mripard> mdp: you should join #linux-sunxi too :)
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<Turl> mripard: I already squashed the basic apb1 into the early patches, but I think it'll be better, as it's another user of factor clock
<Turl> I'll submit the onecell stuff as a separate patch so the rest can go in sooner
<mripard> yes
<mripard> try to keep your patch series with a fixed feature set as much as possible
<mripard> if you keep adding new features as the reviews continue, it's a nightmare :)
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