#ruby on 2015-01-22 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:50 <dnsnoob> i have a fixed string in ruby but i want to be able to use a random 1025 char one

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00:50 <dnsnoob> how to do it?

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00:51 <wallerdev> random alphanumeric or what?

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00:53 <wallerdev> you can probably use SecureRandom

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00:56 <dnsnoob> wallerdev: thank, but i can't see anything there to generated random arbitrary-lenght

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00:58 <waxjar> dnsnoob: SecureRandom.random_bytes(1025) ?

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01:00 <wallerdev> >> require 'securerandom'; SecureRandom.random_bytes(1025).length

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01:00 <eval-in_> wallerdev => 1025 (https://eval.in/246513)

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01:03 <jhass> dnsnoob: if you want more specific help, be specific in your description

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01:04 <jhass> "random 1025 char string" means everything and nothing

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01:11 <eam> maybe the fixed string is already random

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01:12 <aspect> ruby noob here (plenty experience in other langs), hoping for some guidance on error "no implicit conversion of Symbol into Integer" from http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/repository/entry/trunk/app/models/user_preference.rb#L57

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01:13 * aspect guesses it's a straightforward type mismatch, but not clear how that one-liner is throwing it.

01:13 <centrx> aspect, probably means self is an array when you expected it to be a hash

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01:14 <aspect> ActiveRecord::Base seems to take symbols as keys though ..?

01:14 <centrx> yes I didn't look at the rest yet

01:14 <centrx> you're right it doesn't make sense, it should work because it's an ActiveRecord model

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01:15 <aspect> thanks, you've at least validated my thought process

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01:16 <centrx> aspect, what output do you get if you add 'p self' there?

01:17 <centrx> aspect, Are you sure that's the right line, is there a complete stack trace?

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01:17 <aspect> digging further ... I'll come back with better questions shortly :-)

01:18 <centrx> aspect, also FYI there is a #rubyonrails channel

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01:37 <aspect> heh, it gets better. The same method is falling through to the [] accessor, which tries to index into variable 'others' (some kinda pseudo-inheritance), which .. is a string. Looks like unparsed yaml.

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01:37 <centrx> oh dear

01:38 <aspect> thanks for inspiring the confidence to keep digging, but at this point the rabbit hole looks much deeper than I want to go :-)

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01:39 <centrx> oh wait I see what's happening

01:39 <centrx> you redefined def []

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01:40 <aspect> yep, line 39 of user_preferences.rb

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01:41 <centrx> aspect, post full stack trace please

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01:42 <aspect> preferred pastebin?

01:42 <centrx> gist

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01:43 <aspect> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/135f88a2c75c6f9fb5e9

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01:44 <centrx> aspect, It looks like this might refer to a different user_preference.rb because the line numbers are different?

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01:46 <aspect> oh, sorry I inserted some debugging log messages .. that should be line 39, 39, and 58

01:46 <centrx> 57?

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01:46 <aspect> 57

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01:47 <centrx> aspect, So it sounds like 'others' is an attribute/column, and it's being serialized, it's probably being serialized as an array

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01:48 <centrx> aspect, Also, don't define #initialize for ActiveRecord models

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01:48 <centrx> aspect, So even though you have the self.others ||= {} in a couple places, it probably doesn't do anything really

01:48 <aspect> okay, I'm giving up at this point: it's not actually my code, and I can roll back to where my environment didn't blow it up

01:49 <aspect> your critique is enough to convince me I don't want to try and fix it :-)

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01:50 <aspect> and yeah .. I'm seeing others as a yaml string on entry to def [], and the serialize call at the top of this class gets other code involved which looks considerably hairier

01:50 <centrx> yeah get the person who wrote it to fix it :)

01:51 * aspect goes back to treating redmine as a black box that works best in a sandbox without aggressive changes to configuration :-)

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01:52 <aspect> thanks heaps for your help, that saved a lot of time and stress :-)

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01:54 <sevenseacat> mm redmine was very finicky from what i remember

01:54 <sevenseacat> this was a couple years ago

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02:22 <jonmorehouse> I'm struggling with some eventmachine stuff and was wondering if someone could help me undesrtand it

02:22 <jonmorehouse> https://gist.github.com/15475bf7eca34135bdf3

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02:23 <jonmorehouse> I'm trying to use the em-pg-client (Database.pool just returns an instance)

02:23 <jonmorehouse> but for some reason this won't work correctly in my case

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02:57 <shellox> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aecSyA29

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02:58 <shellox> i try to get all selects, except the one with id orderamount and then want to loop through the option value of each select

02:58 <shellox> how would i do that?

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03:14 <pontiki> hi, folks

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03:30 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> guys have problem with a regexp, hi have the string "hi {{var1}} foo", regexp /{{([^}]+)}}/ when I perform scan, I get an array with "var1", which is fine. However when I perform gsub with a block, I get "{{var1}}", are there any way to instead get "var1" so I can check it against a hash and replace the variable?

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04:11 <meth> is it possible to do something like redirect $stdin to a different object only within a certain context similar to how refinements work?

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04:19 <jcrubino> Hello, I'm new to ruby. How (generally) can I download a github repo and install dependencies and run the the tests?

04:19 <jcrubino> github.com/ably/ably-ruby-rest

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04:22 <pontiki> jcrubino: are you knew to git and github as well?

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04:26 <jcrubino> pontiki: yes

04:26 <jcrubino> no, not new

04:26 <jcrubino> yes I know how to use them

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04:31 <blf> Is it common for the ruby tests to fail? I'm wondering where I should be worried about a broken environment.

04:31 <blf> s/where/whether

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04:34 <Crazy_Atheist> jcrubino: well, first just clone the repo, if you're not new at git(hub), I'm pretty sure you'd already know this, but...

04:34 <Crazy_Atheist> and then once its there you should be able to run the tests

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04:36 <blf> Crazy_Atheist: I downloaded the archives directly from the ruby-lang website.

04:36 <blf> And verified their checksums

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04:37 <jcrubino> Crazy_Atheist: ok, http://hastebin.com/norumeturu.vbs

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04:38 <blf> Crazy_Atheist: oops, I misread your comment. wasn't for me :-)

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04:47 <Rayford> I am building them gem with gem build: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/omniauth-gitlab/tree/master

04:47 <Rayford> (do not follow readme as it is incorrect)

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04:48 <sevenseacat> lol thats a good start

04:48 <Rayford> but after it is built i try to call it with requrire_relative, and i get a cannot load such file

04:48 <Rayford> any ideas what would cause this?

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04:48 <Rayford> someone mind building and testing on their system for me

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04:49 <Rayford> using RVM with ruby 2.2

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04:51 <Rayford> anyone able to help?

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04:52 <sevenseacat> instead of just providing your code and error, you want us to do what?

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04:54 <Rayford> have an idea of what the problem may be? Could you try downloding the code, build the gem and try requiring it to see if it works for you

04:54 <Rayford> can isolate if its my system or the gem in general

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05:52 <Crazy_Atheist> I wanted to get rubymine, but $99 is a bit steep for my wallet, and 59$ while that isn't bad, it means I have to actually save enough money, and I don't know if I can put 'credit'

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05:55 <pontiki> wait until you're making money, then.

05:55 <pontiki> it is an investment

05:55 <pontiki> but it really isn't absolutely necessary

05:56 <Nilium> I have IntelliJ Ultimate and it's supposedly functionally RubyMine with the Ruby plugin installed

05:56 <Nilium> Never liked it

05:56 <Nilium> The Ruby plugin, that is.

05:56 <Nilium> IntelliJ itself is fantastic if you're doomed to work in Java. Or if you just want to use it for another language it supports.

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05:57 <sevenseacat> i know people who swear by rubymine

05:57 <Nilium> Guys

05:57 <Nilium> Guys.

05:57 <sevenseacat> ive never used it

05:57 <Nilium> http://imgur.com/gallery/quL00 ← Look at this owl.

05:57 <Nilium> Just look.

05:57 <pontiki> IntelliJ with RubyMine plug-in isn't actually quite RubyMine, which was hugely frustrating to me

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05:58 <Nilium> That might explain my problems

05:58 <sevenseacat> owl says "best day everrrrr"

05:58 <Nilium> IntelliJ with PHP certainly isn't the same as PHPStorm, sad as I am to say that I use PHPStorm at work because PHP woo woo

05:58 * Nilium shoots himself

05:59 <sevenseacat> i could probably be so much more productive, but i like my little sublime text with very few plugins

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05:59 <Nilium> Same.

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05:59 <Nilium> Been slowly switching to vim for various tasks. It's been fun rediscovering stuff.

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06:01 <sevenseacat> there needs to be more hours in the day, ive got more stuff to do

06:01 <pontiki> you need that time turner

06:01 <Nilium> I wrapped up a small Go project at work today, but I'm not happy about it

06:02 <Nilium> Was basically a four hour project worked on over several days of interruptions with other stuff

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06:02 <sevenseacat> though maybe that ties into the 'i could be so much more productive' >_> but so much stuff i want to learn

06:02 <Nilium> Turned into kind of a disaster 'cause I had to get it done by today, so the code is nowhere near where I want it

06:02 <sevenseacat> and so much stuff that cant be hurried, like books

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06:02 <sevenseacat> Nilium: does it work and can you shift the maintenance to someone else? if so, move on >_>

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06:03 <Nilium> It sort of works and it's a stopgap thing

06:03 <Nilium> Maintenance: can't really, I'm the only person who knows Go at work.

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06:03 <Nilium> Basically, at this point there are entire projects that depend on my continued existence to survive in working order now

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06:04 <Nilium> Not because someone else _couldn't_ do it, it's just that nobody else wants to take the time to get involved and read the docs

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06:04 <Nilium> Or, in the case of the project I just finished, the non-docs

06:04 <sevenseacat> Nilium: if you're not replaceable, you're not promotable.

06:04 <Nilium> 'Cause I didn't have time for it yet

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06:05 <Nilium> So I'm probably going to spend some of my time on my flight to DC on my computer just cleaning up the code a bit

06:05 <Nilium> And documenting it

06:05 <Nilium> And making it a little more resistant to doomsday situations

06:06 <atmosx> sevenseacat: good quote

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06:06 <Nilium> Also not sure what that quote is from.

06:06 <atmosx> Nilium: that sounds like a lot of work, except maybe if the program is rather small

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06:07 <Nilium> It's pretty small, only about 500 lines of code, probably

06:07 <atmosx> awesome

06:07 <Nilium> I just want it to be easier to make adjustments to later.

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06:07 <atmosx> you use rdoc ?

06:07 <atmosx> yard?

06:07 <Nilium> It's written in Go.

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06:07 <atmosx> oh

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06:07 <Nilium> So, godoc.

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06:07 <atmosx> sorry didn't read up

06:07 <Nilium> No sweat.

06:07 <atmosx> I came across a go project yesterday, took a look at the code looks like C in ruby-style

06:07 <atmosx> somewhat

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06:08 <insaneinside> speaking of...

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06:08 <insaneinside> Is it possible to get the encoding of a Ruby string from a C extension?

06:08 <Nilium> Dunno, just looks like C to me.

06:08 <atmosx> insaneinside: no idea

06:09 <Nilium> rb_encoding* rb_enc_get(VALUE)

06:09 <Nilium> Don't know if it's still in 2.x, since I'm looking at a 1.9.x header.

06:09 <insaneinside> Nilium: yeah, but what's the parameter refer to?

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06:10 <Nilium> Presumably anything that has an encoding.

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06:11 <Nilium> Looks like it can be a file, string, regexp, data, or sym.

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06:11 <insaneinside> "read the source" is not an excuse for ZERO DOCUMENTATION. I mean, hell, even a good parameter name would be okay with me.

06:11 <insaneinside> ugh.

06:12 <Nilium> Welcome to the Ruby headers.

06:12 <Nilium> Hope you like: abbreviations, lack of descriptions of anything, etc.

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06:13 <sevenseacat> who doesnt

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06:15 <insaneinside_00> stupid ISP... did anyone say anything interesting while I was gone about fetching ruby string encodings from a C extension?

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06:16 <Nilium> Just the meaning of life and how it revolves around owls.

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06:18 <insaneinside> You Obviously Love Owls.

06:18 <insaneinside> YOLO!

06:18 <sevenseacat> !yolo

06:18 <sevenseacat> oh no helpa here anymore?

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06:18 <sevenseacat> hrmph.

06:19 <insaneinside> sevenseacat: my irc client bolds that name when you say it...

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06:39 <insaneinside> "Unfortunately that was and still is a major problem with Ruby. The japanese developers are very bad in english and therefore don't like to write documentation. The best documentation is only available in japanese." (from https://stackoverflow.com/a/22566163)

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06:40 <insaneinside> Comments? Flames?

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06:42 <sevenseacat> i dont know what 'best documentation' theyre talking about, but then again i speak little japanese

06:42 <sevenseacat> from what ive seen of ruby core, they're pretty good at english

06:42 <sevenseacat> written english, anyway

06:42 <insaneinside> yeah

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06:43 <sevenseacat> Lothar can have a -1 from me

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06:44 <insaneinside> but the lack of even explanatory parameter names in the C API is completely unforgivable unless they started writing C just last week.

06:44 <sevenseacat> does that have anything to do with them being japanese? very unlikely.

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06:46 <insaneinside> true, Lothar's response does seem a little racist, maybe, given that he doesn't even provide links to said documentation...

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06:48 <sevenseacat> let's face it, very few people enjoy writing documentation.

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06:49 <insaneinside> yeah, but c'mon, even parameter names would help.

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06:49 <sevenseacat> true

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06:50 <Beoran_> the best documntaion of the Ruby APi is t see it in action in the many open surce ruby extensions

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06:51 <insaneinside> That's a variant of the "just read the source code" argument.

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06:53 <pontiki> do you have a problem you're trying to solve, insaneinside ?

06:53 <pontiki> perhaps looking at a few other people doing what you're trying to do could help

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06:54 <insaneinside> pontiki: well, currently I'm trying to fetch (from C) the encoding used by a Ruby string.

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06:55 <insaneinside> It looks like the best workaround is to just encode to whatever I want (`rb_str_export_to_enc`?) and use the resulting string.

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06:56 <CynosureKuruma> The indent of ruby is two space or four space?

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06:56 <insaneinside> CynosureKuruma: yes. But usually two, I think.

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06:57 <sevenseacat> two spaces. or else.

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06:57 <pontiki> CynosureKuruma: this is probably most-often cited code style guide: https://github.com/styleguide/ruby

06:58 <sevenseacat> wow, they say the 1.9 hash syntax is bad

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06:58 <CynosureKuruma> thanks

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07:03 <pontiki> yeah, they do. i sort of understand the posistion, but it should change

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07:05 <insaneinside> i stopped using the old syntax when i figured out how to use custom versions of Ruby on my shared hosting setup. That is, versions of MRI > 1.8.6. ;_;

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07:08 <insaneinside> pontiki: It looks like that position *has* changed in the original author's version of that style guide: https://github.com/bbatsov/ruby-style-guide#collections

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07:12 <pontiki> good to know

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08:07 <The_Phoenix> So, am trying my first application on Rails. I did rails new app name. bundle install runs fine. but, when I uncomment therubyracer and run bundle install or update, I get unexpected :, expecteing $end. I suppose this is a version issue? I have Ruby 1.8 and Ruby 2.2 and using ruby-switch to select default version.

08:08 <sevenseacat> #rubyonrails is for rails-related questions

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08:09 <The_Phoenix> sevenseacat: Thanks

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08:09 <sevenseacat> but you'll need to provide some more information before anyone can help you.

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08:11 <The_Phoenix> sevenseacat: This is app created by rails new appname. I didn't add any content.

08:11 <sevenseacat> information like what version of ruby and rails are you using, what things you uncommented and why, things like that

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08:13 <certainty> _o/ sevenseacat

08:13 * certainty is a semaphore today

08:13 <sevenseacat> afternoon certainty

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08:57 <avril14th> How does one mock :some_call in rspec when testing for :meth in such case: https://gist.github.com/muichkine/3d54ea807f32e67e18d8 ?

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09:12 <michael_mbp> hey guys

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09:22 <avril14th> anyone? ;)

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09:26 <maasha> hi

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09:27 <certainty> avril14th: expect_any_instance_of

09:27 <certainty> avril14th: but it's a hack

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09:27 <avril14th> right, what's the non hacky way?

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09:27 <avril14th> :)

09:27 <certainty> you can look for a way to inject the dependency

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09:28 <maasha> I have this funny encoding issue with UTF-8/US-ASCII all of a sudden popping up in my unit tests (ever since new mac and fresh install): https://gist.github.com/maasha/987220d8e37926116c78

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09:30 <maasha> I suppose the unit tests don't care about string encoding as long as the strings match or what?

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09:34 <certainty> maasha: you should probably still take the encoding into account

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09:34 <certainty> assert_equal("".b,gp.to_s) should work

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09:34 <gregf_> avril14th: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d1937869a01ddc718029 <== like that

09:35 <maasha> certainty: so why do I get different encodings?

09:35 <avril14th> gregf_: interesting, but that implies that local variables be changed to instance variables, which sucks

09:36 <certainty> maasha: because ruby uses UTF8 by default for string literals.

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09:37 <maasha> certainty: right and Object.to_s is then US-ASCII because ???

09:37 <certainty> avril14th: personally i'd add just inject the b as a parameter to meth possible defaulted to B.new

09:37 <certainty> maasha: because GnuPlotter does it that way

09:38 <maasha> certainty: hm, ok

09:38 <avril14th> certainty: yes, could work too but that also infers with the way the method looks, for no other reason that testing

09:38 <avril14th> I'd rather stick to any_instance_of

09:38 <certainty> sometimes that is just fine

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09:40 <certainty> hard to tell with that snippet though, because the code does basically nothing interesting

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09:41 <deever> hi

09:41 <deever> # gem install activerecord-sqlite3-adapter

09:41 <deever> ERROR: Could not find a valid gem 'activerecord-sqlite3-adapter' (>= 0) in any repository

09:41 <deever> oups...sorry

09:41 <deever> http://www.apaste.info/r30

09:41 <deever> how can i solve the problem?

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09:52 <avril14th> deever: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16512908/could-not-find-a-valid-gem-install-activerecord-sqlite3-adapter

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10:05 <deever> avril14th: thank you, but which gem file is meant? http://www.apaste.info/sSY

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10:07 <avril14th> deever: bundle show sqlite3

10:07 <avril14th> what does it say?

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10:08 <hanmac1> deever: you have a funny constelation, because the sqlite3 gem is installed, but the sqlite3 lib itself is not ... seems you did install them in a funky way?

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10:09 <deever> avril14th: it shows:

10:09 <deever> /usr/local/www/foreman/vendor/ruby/1.9/gems/sqlite3-1.3.8

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10:10 <deever> hanmac1: i've done an upgrade of the system

10:12 <avril14th> deever: weird

10:12 <avril14th> maybe resinstall the gems from scratch

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10:13 <hanmac1> avril14th: the gem seems to be installed, but you need external libs too ... have you installedd sqlite in your packagemanger too?

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10:15 <dANOKELOFF> Hi, I have two array , one is a = [1, 3, 1] and the second is b = [1, 2 , 3 ] and I want to return an array like this c = [2, 3, 1 ]. I want to sort my array by the most value used is in last position in my array and the less value used ( or none used) at first

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10:16 <avril14th> don't get it

10:16 <gregf_> dANOKELOFF: ([1, 3, 1] | [1, 2 , 3 ]).sort ;)

10:16 <avril14th> want to get the most frequent number first?

10:16 <gregf_> ah - ok. my bad

10:17 <hanmac1> dANOKELOFF: did you try b.sort_by{|o| a.count(o)} ?

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10:17 <canton7> reverse sort by frequency - the fact that there are 2 arrays is irrelevant?

10:19 <hanmac1> >> a = [1, 3, 1];b = [1, 2 , 3 ]; b.sort_by{|o| a.count(o)}

10:19 <eval-in_> hanmac1 => [2, 3, 1] (https://eval.in/247641)

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10:19 <dANOKELOFF> canton7, yes, because the array is my user_id , and the first is my article and I want to create an 3 array who sort the less user who created article

10:20 <canton7> ok, I'm confused now

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10:20 <canton7> so the first array is both the user_id and the article? what's a "3 array"?

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10:21 <deever> hanmac1: yes, sqlite3 has been updated by the packagemanager

10:21 <hanmac1> deever: reinstall the gems

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10:22 <dANOKELOFF> hanmac1, thank's !

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10:22 <workmad3> dANOKELOFF: or, in other words, you're in rails and are using ActiveRecord, so you could do this by doing 'User.joins(:articles).group_by("users.id, articles.user_id").select("users.* COUNT(articles.*) as article_count").order("article_count")

10:22 <deever> hanmac1: how do i do that? a "reinstall" is not known

10:23 <hanmac1> deever: hm just call install on them again

10:23 <workmad3> s/group_by/group

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10:25 <ddv> intellij still advices single quotes when you don't need interpolation....

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10:25 <hanmac1> ddv: Intellij does advice many things ... some are good, some maybe not

10:25 <ddv> hanmac1: hi, captain obvious

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10:26 <hanmac1> ddv i try to avoid intellj as much as possible

10:26 <ddv> ok

10:26 <ddv> I like it a lot

10:26 <ddv> the visual debugger is king

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10:30 <deever> hanmac1: still the same error: http://www.apaste.info/bmP

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10:33 <hanmac1> deever: did you try to ask in #rubyOnRails ? because i dont know whats wrong with your system ... are you sure you have the "libsqlite3" package installed on your system?

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10:35 <workmad3> deever: that typically happens because you've got the database specified as 'sqlite3' in database.yml, but you don't have the sqlite3 gem in your Gemfile

10:35 <]Spectre[> Newbie question: is it possible to send a image to the printer? I think yes, is it possible to configure the parameter of the

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10:36 <]Spectre[> Newbie question: is it possible to send a image to the printer? I think yes, is it possible to configure the parameter of the printer? (page length,etc) because I want to use a printer done for labels thanks in advance

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10:38 <tobiasvl> ]Spectre[: you probably would have to run system commands maybe

10:39 <tobiasvl> don't think printing is platform agnostic?

10:39 <]Spectre[> tobiasvl,I tried to do the thing under python,calling the win32api,but is really unstable and bugged

10:39 <tobiasvl> CUPS, PRISS, etc

10:39 <tobiasvl> oh, windows. no idea then

10:39 <]Spectre[> sadly I have to do on windows..

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10:50 <deever> hanmac1, avril14th, workmad3: this workaround did the trick:

10:50 <deever> ln -s libsqlite3.so.0.8.6 /usr/local/lib/libsqlite3.so.8

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10:50 <deever> however, obviously this is far from ideal

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10:51 <avril14th> just like everything in this world

10:51 <deever> avril14th: ^^

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11:17 <shevy> guys

11:18 <shevy> let's hug each other

11:18 <tobiasvl> group hug!!!!!!!

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11:26 <hefest> hello, is TCPServer ruby builtin?

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11:26 <ddv> hefest: ?

11:27 <hefest> ddv: im not sure part of what is TCPServer class

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11:27 <kstuart> hefest: ruby standard library I believe

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11:28 <tobiasvl> yep, require 'socket'

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11:30 <shevy> require 'boots'

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11:30 <tobiasvl> sockets, not socks ;)

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11:34 <certainty> shevy: greetings from your mum

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11:35 <ddv> oh how nice, shevy's mom, certainty is here

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11:51 <shevy> I am greeting certainty's mum as we type!

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11:58 <Timgauthier> most definite

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12:14 <shevy> Timgauthier what are you up to! still phping?

12:14 <Timgauthier> uh

12:14 <Timgauthier> duh

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12:17 <shevy> oh noes :(

12:17 <shevy> you poor man

12:17 <Timgauthier> someone has to be awesome ;)

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12:18 <workmad3> Timgauthier: and you've decided it won't be you, hence the PHP? :P

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12:18 <Timgauthier> ;)

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12:21 <ddv> what is wrong with php?

12:21 <ddv> j/k

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12:31 <JaredCE> i'm wondering if anyone knows any good quality ruby language courses on offer in london, looking to take a team from one language to ruby

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12:43 <shevy> ruby is so natural

12:43 <shevy> you don't need a course

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12:43 <shevy> the docu admittedly is one of ruby's weaker points

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12:46 <DefV> hm

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12:48 <DefV> I'm writing a gem to interface with specific phone models. Communication with the protocol (binary protocol over ip) is asynchronous, meaning that, when connected to a phone, I can send commands, and answers come in over the socket, but incoming calls / actions on the device also come in over the socket

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12:48 <DefV> so I can't just read from the socket after I sent a command, because 1) I wouldn't get incoming input, 2) I could get non-relevant to me input

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12:49 <DefV> How should I implement it? I was thinking a thread that adds all incoming data to an array in which I can filter, but 1) I'm not sure that's the cleanest solution, 2) I'm having issues where the thread is started but hasn't yet read after I sent my first 2 commands

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12:50 <ddv> DefV: You need to use threading indeed

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12:51 <ddv> DefV: Which can be hard to get right, so maybe you should have used eventmachine/celluloid

12:51 <DefV> but using EventMachine means I limit usage of my gem

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12:52 <ddv> DefV: bundle install?

12:52 <ddv> gemspec dependencies and all that

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12:55 <ddv> DefV: You also have to deal with concurrency problems. So you need to use synchronization primitive, like mutexes, semaphores etc

12:55 <ddv> Or avoid all that and use something simple

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13:12 <odigity> Is there a way to define and immediately invoke a function to get it's return value without giving it a name?

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13:13 <odigity> Basically, I'm trying to create a classic caching accessor (def foo; @foo ||= some_complex_calculation; end)

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13:15 <banister> odigity use a lambda

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13:15 <banister> odigity ->(x}{ x * x }.(4) #=> 16

13:16 <odigity> I've seen that arrow syntax for defining rails scopes, so that's familiar. So the result of a lambda can be invoked with args via .()? nice

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13:16 <odigity> I figured it would be just (), without the period, since the return value of a lambda should be a directly callable function, right?

13:17 <odigity> oh, I get it

13:17 <odigity> you're using . to call a method on it, and the method is ()

13:17 <odigity> or .call to be more explicit, easier for noobs like me to read and understand

13:18 <workmad3> odigity: yup, that's the one :)

13:19 <odigity> cool, thanks banister, workmad3

13:19 <workmad3> odigity: you can invoke a callable with .call, .(), [] or ===

13:19 <odigity> that's weird

13:19 <banister> odigity you cn also do this: def pig; yield end

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13:20 <workmad3> [] strikes me as an odd choice... but it can look quite nice :)

13:20 <banister> odigity pig { 4* 10 } #=> 10

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13:20 <banister> err

13:20 <banister> 40

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13:20 <workmad3> the others all make a fair bit of sense

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13:20 <banister> i think the pig method should exist in ruby core

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13:20 <banister> it's really kinda cool

13:21 <workmad3> banister: you could always submit a PR ;)

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13:21 <workmad3> banister: there's a few fun things in core... you can (or at least could for a while) compile ruby with GOTO support :D

13:21 <banister> workmad3 im like a lily i would wilt if it ws rejected (which it would be)

13:22 * workmad3 now wants a live-stream of banister being disappointed... the compilation could be done as a weekly comedy broadcast

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13:22 <banister> hehe

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13:23 <banister> workmad3 what do u do when you're working on two branches each with significant schema changes

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13:24 <workmad3> banister: I've tried a few things in the past... such as using ERb in database.yml to pull the git branch name into the database name

13:25 <workmad3> banister: or setting a DATABASE_URL based on the branch name

13:25 <banister> workmad3 i'm thinking of just backing up the db for each branch and doing a pg_restore when i switch the branch

13:25 <workmad3> banister: but basically, my strategy is that if I'm in that situation, I run with 2 different dbs

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13:27 <banister> workmad3 ah ok. Does my pg_restore approach sound ok too?

13:27 <workmad3> banister: another option would be to do '<% if `git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD` != "master" %>schema_search_path: <%= `git rev-parse --abbrev-ref HEAD` %>' in pg

13:27 <workmad3> banister: that would mean you create a separate schema in pg for each branch

13:27 <workmad3> (or rather, it would search a different schema based on branch... you'd need to create/migrate each schema as you switched)

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13:28 <banister> workmad3 yeah, lots of data changes in these migrations too..

13:28 <workmad3> banister: only issue I could see is that if you forgot, it would be more annoying to spot :)

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13:28 <workmad3> banister: and also, it would require doing a pg_backup/pg_restore on every branch change, rather than just once on a setup

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13:29 <workmad3> although you could put it into a git hook, I guess

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13:31 <banister> workmad3 thx

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13:41 <ddv> more people in here that just edit migration files directly instead of creating new ones because you're lazy?

13:42 <canton7> only if you like screwing up your team mates :P

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13:43 <sevenseacat> is not a good idea.

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13:44 <ddv> to be honest this is pre production

13:44 <ddv> I just copy over the db to staging <3

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13:45 <sevenseacat> how is that related

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14:56 <piratepete_> mac os-x, chmod 755 mycommand (no rb extensio). … why would it not run on $PATH without ./ in front? I have to add dot-slash

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14:57 <workmad3> piratepete_: because . isn't on your $PATH normally

14:57 <piratepete_> workmad3 how can I fix that?

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14:58 <workmad3> piratepete_: it's not on there because it's normally a bad idea to automatically run from ./ without being explicit (easy way for malicious scripts to sneak in)

14:58 <workmad3> piratepete_: so you 'fix' it by using ./<command>

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14:58 <piratepete_> it’s a ruby script command-line exe that I want to just type $ mycommand —help e.g. without $ ./mycommand

14:59 <workmad3> piratepete_: so get it installed into a location that is on the $PATH, e.g. /usr/bin

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15:00 <piratepete_> workmad3 … thanks, understood

15:00 <nobitanobi> How is this operator called: ```-=```?

15:00 <workmad3> nobitanobi: I tend to say 'subtract and become'

15:01 <nobitanobi> Ok, I just realized that you can use that in Rails to remove associated objects :O, but can't find it in the docs

15:01 <nobitanobi> thanks

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15:01 <workmad3> nobitanobi: the 'docs' would be the docs for the association - operator

15:02 <workmad3> nobitanobi: as 'a -= b' expands to 'a = a - b' and invokes the - method

15:02 <nobitanobi> yep, I was looking for ```-``` but is not there though. http://guides.rubyonrails.org/association_basics.html

15:02 <nobitanobi> 4.3 has_many association reference

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15:03 <nobitanobi> anyway, wrong channel

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15:03 <tobiasvl> - is a method

15:03 <workmad3> yeah, it probably just uses Array#- and is doing stuff on the association= method :)

15:03 <nobitanobi> it actually saves it for you and all

15:03 <nobitanobi> pretty cool

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15:52 <L8> hey guys

15:53 <ddv> i'm a girl

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15:53 <L8> I'm trying to do something like factory pattern, having class called WhateverFactory, that contains a static method named load

15:53 <ddv> no j/k, of course not

15:53 <L8> each time load is called, I want to create a new instance of that class

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15:53 <L8> with different constructor parametar

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15:54 <L8> but when I've made .new private, I can't initialized from inside the class

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15:54 <L8> ddv, yeah after writing hey guys someone came to the cubical so I've stopped writing :)

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15:56 <L8> http://pastebin.com/A8fC0q7Y

15:56 <L8> any ways to do it in a possible way?

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15:57 <apeiros> L8: drop the `self.` from `self.new`.

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15:57 <ddv> and don't use pastebin

15:57 <apeiros> +1

15:57 <L8> apeiros, undefined method `new' for main:Object (NoMethodError)

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15:58 <L8> what's your alternatives to pastebin

15:58 <L8> I don't mind posting generic code there

15:58 <apeiros> L8: um, impossible? that means you call your load on main, not on Some

15:58 <ddv> L8: gist.github.com

15:59 <L8> inside the self.load(param)

15:59 <apeiros> (that "for main:Object" is a dead giveaway that you're doing something awfully wrong)

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15:59 <L8> all the change I've did is changing from self.new to new

15:59 <apeiros> or rather, awfully not the way as shown in your paste

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15:59 <L8> tbh it's gonna be open sourced later so I'll just paste how its looks now

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16:00 <mbff> Hello I am working with the ruby gem daemons and cannot get it to work

16:01 <apeiros> L8: not necessary

16:01 <apeiros> >> class Some; private_class_method :new; def self.load(param); new param; end; def initialize(param); end; end; Some.load 123

16:01 <eval-in_> apeiros => #<Some:0x4097be00> (https://eval.in/248399)

16:01 <mbff> I have server_control.rb

16:01 <mbff> require 'daemons'

16:01 <mbff> Daemons.run('main.rb')

16:01 <apeiros> L8: ^ proof that what I said works with your precise pasted code

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16:01 <mbff> and a main.rb with a loop in it

16:01 <L8> apeiros, noticed with the code

16:02 <mbff> I run: ruby server_control.rb start

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16:02 <mbff> but status shows: main.rb: no instances running

16:02 <mbff> any ideas on what I am doing wrong?

16:02 <L8> apeiros, and if you want to do already small code review it would be cool :))

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16:03 <apeiros> L8: probably not. quite a pile of own work here :-(

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16:04 * L8 understands apeiros

16:04 <L8> I have to write this thing in Ruby only because later the guys who'll own this are ops guys

16:04 <L8> and those guys don't know anything except Ruby

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16:05 <druid__> Hi guys, I'm trying to inject a variable into a method definition from an outside scope. In the following paste I need to get banana into the @foo scope on line 9: http://pastie.org/9851766

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16:06 <ddv> L8: ops guys should know how to code

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16:06 <ddv> you can't be in IT and don't know how to code

16:06 <albipri> Ciao! Qualche italiano che ha scritto in ruby l’integrazione per PayWay della banca BCC?

16:07 <ddv> albipri: english....

16:07 <ddv> do u speak it!?

16:07 <druid__> I understand that between 9 and 11 I'm inside @foo's scope, but I need to include banana somehow

16:07 <albipri> ddv: Sure! But it’s only an italian gateway provider. So I started to ask it in italian :-)

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16:08 <banisterfiend> druid__ local variables are not available in method definitions like that, unless you use @foo.define_singleton_method(:apple)

16:08 <druid__> The real problem is to set an error handler for Rufus scheduler

16:09 <albipri> Hi! Someone who has written in ruby the integration for PayWay italian bank BCC?

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16:14 <druid__> thanks banisterfiend, it seems like it works

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16:19 <arup_r> unicode code point of that character I get is 12288.. I have some strings.. In which I want to replace such characters using "" .. How to do so ? http://codepoints.net/U+12288

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16:22 <druid__> banisterfiend, I have a new (related) problem: For some reason the object I need to add a method to does not have the define_singleton_method method.

16:22 <swills> i'm trying to update a gem that uses RHASH to work with 2.2, since RHASH is private in 2.2 (https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/9889) -- anyone know the right way to do this now?

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16:22 <druid__> In fact the respond_to? method returns nil on @scheduler.respond_to? :define_singelton_method

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16:24 <druid__> This is on a rufus-scheduler-2.0.16 object

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16:28 <odigity> OMG. 'or' has a higher precedence than 'and'. A or B and C = (A or B) and C. totally not what I was expecting, and not want I've seen in other languages if memory servces

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16:29 <oleo> (a+b)*c

16:30 <oleo> else you'd have a+b*c

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16:30 <oleo> stead of a*c+b*c

16:30 <odigity> I think most other languages bind 'and' more tightly than 'or', which is why I was surprised

16:30 <oleo> distribution

16:30 <odigity> but yes, I will start using parens

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16:30 <oleo> heh

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16:39 <albipri> Hi! Someone who has written in ruby the integration for PayWay italian bank BCC?

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16:45 <shevy> test

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16:54 <shevy> albipri I think only people from Italy may have, and there are not many from Italy who use ruby altogether :)

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16:55 <shevy> odigity yeah, that used to trip me up too when I was using "if foo and !foo.bar 'bla' and bar.yadda 'hmm'"

16:55 <shevy> when I have to use several conditionals including negations, I tend to use () just so that I don't get tripped up

16:55 <albipri> shevy: Maybe you're right… But who knows, maybe the one who made that integration is now connecting…

16:55 <shevy> hehe

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16:55 <shevy> well 951 people here!

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16:55 <shevy> I estimate 3 to 5 from italy

16:56 <odigity> shevy, I fixed it by creating a method called "false_and_set_error" so that I can say foo = User.find_by_whatever() or return false_and_set_error('user not found')

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16:56 <shevy> hehehe

16:56 <shevy> reads a bit strange

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16:56 <shevy> but at least it is straightforward

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16:56 <shevy> you have to use the return statement there?

16:57 <odigity> better than foo = User.find_by_whatever() or (set_error('user not found') and return false)

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16:57 <waxjar> put the different statements on different lines

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16:57 <odigity> I do if I don't want the rest of the method to run. which I don't. there are several statements like that in a row, checking conditions. I don't like turning them into deeply nested ifs. rather just return immediately

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16:58 <odigity> I like one-liners because I can see more logic on one screen, which is good for mental context, as long as it's still readable. obviously there's a point at which I'd break it into multiple lines

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16:58 <odigity> but a simple check for a condition that returns an error? rather get it done in one line. it's clear what the purpose is, and it's not the heart of the method. don't let it take over.

16:59 <shevy> odigity ah I see

16:59 <shevy> thought there was only one statement

16:59 <waxjar> if anything it's less readable, imo. every time you look at that code you'll have to look up precedence rules.

16:59 <shevy> I hate looking up precedence rules

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17:00 <shevy> certainty you there?

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17:00 <Nilium> No, only ambiguity

17:00 <waxjar> something like unless foo; set_error; return false; end; # rest of the method would be far more readable, imo

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17:01 <L8> so this thing's not working

17:01 <L8> http://pastebin.com/3CZFC9aS

17:01 <shevy> ewww pastebin

17:01 <L8> :(

17:01 <Nilium> Speaking of precedence rules, I keep thinking about writing a language that's mostly-infix except for arithmetic, which would be s-exprs

17:01 <L8> says undefined method `new' for main:Object (NoMethodError)

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17:01 <L8> while trying to call ProfileManager.load from other file

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17:02 <shevy> cool

17:02 <shevy> I never saw private_class_method before

17:02 <Nilium> Nothing is truly private in Ruby

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17:02 <shevy> but the name of that API is private!

17:02 <shevy> http://apidock.com/ruby/Module/private_class_method

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17:02 <shevy> Nilium that is consistent with being able to change constants ;)

17:03 <L8> "class SimpleSingleton # Not thread safe"

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17:03 <L8> lold

17:03 <shevy> in ruby 2 + 2 = 5 sometimes

17:03 <Nilium> Reminds me, we have a constants table in a DB at work

17:03 <Nilium> We update the constants daily ಠ_ಠ

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17:03 <shevy> yeah

17:04 <shevy> to make them better constants than before

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17:04 <shevy> well I guess one can run .freeze on string constants

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17:05 <shevy> pontiki once said that .freeze is important when one wants to have immutable strings

17:05 <shevy> I still have not had a use case yet :(

17:05 <workmad3> >> class Fixnum; alias plus +; def +(rhs); if self == 2 && rhs == 2; 5; else; plus(rhs); end; end; end; 2 + 2

17:05 <eval-in_> workmad3 => 5 (https://eval.in/248552)

17:05 <shevy> ok so workmad3 needs more work

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17:05 <workmad3> shevy: I'm thinking about stuff :P

17:06 <shevy> hehe

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17:06 <L8> so, any chance somebody have an idea?

17:06 <L8> I'm stuck on it for at least hour

17:06 <L8> and I'm really close to write this project in Python or PHP

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17:07 <waxjar> L8, you can do undef :new i think

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17:07 <workmad3> L8: or you could do 'class << self; private :new; end'

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17:08 <waxjar> nevermind, you're using it. go with workmad3's solution

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17:11 <L8> workmad3 not sure why you're meaning

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17:11 <L8> the problem happens when I'm trying to do ProfileManager.load 'profile'

17:11 <L8> from other file

17:11 <workmad3> L8: tbh, wouldn't mind seeing that other file

17:11 <L8> all what it contains is:

17:12 <L8> require_relative '..blablabla/profile_manager'

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17:12 <L8> pm = ProfileManager.load 'profile'

17:12 <L8> that's it

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17:13 <workmad3> L8: just ProfileManager.load? because it should be Dynkle::Director::ProfileManager.load...

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17:14 <L8> workmad3 with the module

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17:15 <workmad3> L8: well, that's odd... because it works perfectly on my machine :/

17:15 <L8> ruby version?

17:16 <workmad3> 2.1.5

17:16 <L8> sec

17:16 <L8> the same

17:16 <L8> darn

17:16 <workmad3> and 2.2

17:16 <atmosx> workmad3: what is he trying to do?

17:16 <workmad3> atmosx: make 'new' private and call it from a factory method in another class

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17:18 <L8> workmad3 osx?

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17:18 <L8> idk, maybe some env issue

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17:18 <workmad3> L8: btw, as a quick note - it should be 'require "json"'... 'require "JSON"' will break if you're on a case-sensitive filesystem

17:19 <workmad3> L8: I'm on OSX, yes

17:19 <L8> workmad3 thanks for the tip

17:19 <L8> well I'm clueless for now

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17:20 <workmad3> L8: well, you could potentially put up exact file contents for the two files in question, and the full stack trace of your error (preferably on gist.github.com as it has decent multi-file support, syntax highlighting and not filled with crappy ads like pastebin :) )

17:20 <atmosx> workmad3: class Test; private_class_method :new; end didn't work I guess? (although no idea why would anyone wanna do that)

17:20 <L8> brb

17:21 <workmad3> atmosx: it works for me :)

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17:21 <workmad3> atmosx: he's getting a 'no method new for (main)' error

17:21 <workmad3> hence asking for more :)

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17:22 <atmosx> I see, did you look at the code? yestrday a guy was trying to figure why he couldn't initialize a method, after a little bit of searching 'vim' showed that he didn't spell 'initialize' correctly.

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17:22 <workmad3> atmosx: asking for it now :P

17:22 <atmosx> haha

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17:23 <atmosx> workmad3: btw did you read 'Practical OOD in Ruby' by Sandi Metz?

17:23 <workmad3> yeah, I've read poodr

17:23 <atmosx> poodr hahah cool name

17:23 <atmosx> workmad3: liked it?

17:23 <workmad3> yeah, it was nice and cohesive, and well written, making it easy to read and follow along with :)

17:24 <atmosx> workmad3: that's true.

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17:24 <workmad3> didn't exactly learn a lot of new stuff myself, but I didn't exactly expect to... but it connected up some bits of disparate knowledge for me, and it's a book I'd happily recommend to beginners and intermediates

17:24 <atmosx> workmad3: it was my sister's gift for Christmass, I found the first chapter extremely verbose but the 2nd one was nice.

17:24 <L8> workmad3 well you really really helped me

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17:25 <workmad3> L8: what did you notice? :)

17:25 <L8> <atmosx>I see, did you look at the code? yestrday a guy was trying to figure why he couldn't initialize a method, after a little bit of searching 'vim' showed that he didn't spell 'initialize' correctly.

17:25 <atmosx> workmad3: Yeah, for me is good.

17:25 <L8> this line was the answer

17:25 <L8> silly me did

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17:25 <L8> pm = new ProfileManager.load 'profile;

17:25 <atmosx> L8: you were bashing ruby right? lol

17:25 <L8> '

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17:25 <workmad3> L8: hehe

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17:25 <L8> goddamit

17:25 <workmad3> L8: hence why I was wanting to see the exact contents ;)

17:25 <L8> well, this logs never happened

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17:26 <L8> I was never here

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17:26 <workmad3> L8: you know the channel is publicly logged, right? :P

17:26 <atmosx> hahaha

17:26 <atmosx> don't worry it's public

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17:27 <L8> :)

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17:27 <workmad3> L8: but yeah... most people have had at least one experience of "How can I have this error? all that's in there is a single line that I've looked at dozens of times and it's fine!"... it happens across all languages and to just about all people at some point :)

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17:28 <atmosx> L8: here http://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby/2015-01-22 lol

17:28 <workmad3> L8: it's a learning experience at the very least... both to look more closely, and to not be as dismissive when someone says "Can you show me the other bit of code that's causing the error please?" ;)

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17:28 <atmosx> L8: your mistake would be harder to grasp though

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17:30 <L8> I'll try not to rewrite it to Python

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17:47 <shevy> hehe

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17:51 <centrx> HAHAHA

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18:01 <shevy> "Technically, the early hacker culture was largely hosted on PDP-10 minicomputers. They used a variety of operating systems that have since passed into history: TOPS-10, TOPS-20, Multics, ITS, SAIL. They programmed in assembler and dialects of Lisp."

18:01 <shevy> man

18:01 <shevy> lisp is old

18:02 <kenichi> brain is farting - how do i pass --seed XX to minitest rake task?

18:02 <Nilium> And then somehow web developers came into being, and programming was ruined forever

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18:03 <centrx> Eternal September

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18:06 <shevy> Nilium well it more became accessible for the masses

18:06 <shevy> the rise of php!

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18:06 <shevy> centrx's favourite language

18:06 <Nilium> Curse what accessibility has done

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18:07 <centrx> Without PHP, our types would be less flexible

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18:07 <Nilium> I will cut you

18:07 <centrx> PHP will cut you

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18:08 <centrx> What web framework are you going to use when you travel back in time? Perl? pshaw

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18:09 <Nilium> Cobol

18:09 <Nilium> Grace Hopper will teach me

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18:10 <GaryOak_> hahaha

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18:12 <GaryOak_> Depending on how far back in time you went, there wouldn't be an internet

18:12 <Nilium> Don't worry, I have stack overflow printed out.

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18:13 <Nilium> All 300 useful answers and the remaining three billion garbage ones

18:13 <GaryOak_> You can be the Bret Victor of the 1960's which was actually Alan Kay

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18:13 <Nilium> Join Us is a good album

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18:19 <GaryOak_> what is that?

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18:20 <Nilium> https://girlfriendrecords.bandcamp.com/album/join-us ← Musics

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18:21 <shevy> is there a trivial way to run a .rb script in the background, without using the & shell syntax?

18:22 <shevy> basically I have here one script that just collects data

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18:22 <neanias> Put it in a screen session?

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18:22 <shevy> neanias I'd like inbuilt support, like "ruby big_brother.rb --background"

18:22 <neanias> Fair

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18:23 <neanias> I'm not sure, sorry, shevy

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18:23 <shevy> I think there is daemons, but it is several lines of code or something

18:23 <Nilium> Does Process.daemon do what you want?

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18:24 <shevy> hmm let me try

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18:24 <shevy> would it actually be possible to daemonize, but also still have output in a konsole tab?

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18:24 <Nilium> Probably if you pass true for noclose.

18:25 <shevy> cool thanks http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/Process.html#method-c-daemon

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18:26 <louism2wash> Hey guys, is ruby's call stack actually a C data structure or is that call stack implemented somewhere "closer to the processor."

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18:45 <bricker> louism2wash: looks like maybe just a struct, go through vm_backtrace.c

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18:46 <louism2wash> bricker: thanks, I'll check it out

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18:51 <louism2wash> bricker: are you familiar with tail call optimization?

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18:52 <havenwood> OPTIMIZE ALL THE TAILS! \o/

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18:52 <jhass> louism2wash: MRI has TCO as an optional compile time flag

18:52 <Nilium> I know someone who implemented TCE in Ruby.

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18:53 <Nilium> It's apparently horrifying to do.

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18:53 <havenwood> louism2wash: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/vm_opts.h#L21-L22

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18:54 <Nilium> https://gitlab.com/duckinator/ruby-tce/tree/main ← There we go.

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18:55 <havenwood> louism2wash: Turn trace instruction off if you turn tail-call optimization on.

18:55 <louism2wash> could you not perform a sorting algorithm using a recursive method that implements TCO due to the fact that you can't "call back up the stack" once the base case is reached?

18:55 <green-big-frog> Hello

18:55 <green-big-frog> How can I replace \t and \n and so on using gsub? It's explained here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18193424/using-gsub-in-ruby-strings-correctly

18:55 <green-big-frog> but that'sonly for :; and so on...

18:55 <green-big-frog> I need to replace /t and /n

18:55 <green-big-frog> My ccode: quote = parsed['quote'].gsub "\t", " "

18:55 <green-big-frog> How do I have to edit it?

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18:56 <jhass> that should replace any \t with a space

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18:56 <jhass> >> "\thi".gsub "\t", " "

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18:56 <eval-in_> jhass => " hi" (https://eval.in/248756)

18:57 <jhass> and it does

18:57 <havenwood> >> "\tX\tY\tZ".gsub "\t", " "

18:57 <eval-in_> havenwood => " X Y Z" (https://eval.in/248757)

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18:57 <havenwood> green-big-frog: are you confusing /t and \t?

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18:57 <havenwood> said it both ways, i'm guessing you meant \t?

18:57 <jhass> or maybe your input has \\t for some strange reason?

18:57 <green-big-frog> jhass: i also wan't to replace \n

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18:57 <green-big-frog> havenwood: i meant \t

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18:58 <green-big-frog> was a typo

18:58 <jhass> /[\t\n]/

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18:58 <jhass> maybe search for a basic regex tutorial ;)

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18:58 <jhass> >> "\tfoo\n".tr "\t\n", " "

18:58 <eval-in_> jhass => " foo " (https://eval.in/248758)

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18:58 <jhass> another way

18:58 <green-big-frog> ok

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18:59 <green-big-frog> I had that

18:59 <green-big-frog> but doesn't 19:58 <jhass> /[\t\n]/ also replace \?

18:59 <jhass> no

18:59 <green-big-frog> ok

18:59 <green-big-frog> thank you

18:59 <havenwood> green-big-frog: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Regexp.html

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19:01 <havenwood> green-big-frog: if you want any whitespace character (\t\r\n\f) then you can just use: /\s/

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19:02 <jcrubino> when I run bundle rspec exec, the trace shows two versions of ruby running

19:03 <jcrubino> I have rvm installed and my ruby --version is 2.2 but ruby 2.1 shows up in the rspec trace

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19:03 <jhass> I'd try gem pristine --env-shebang bundler rspec-core

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19:04 <jhass> also maybe check where the executables come from with the which command

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19:06 <havenwood> jcrubino: if you're using RVM then you should have rubygems-bundler, which means you don't need to explicitly prefix `bundle exec` to your command: https://rvm.io/integration/bundler#rubygems-bundler

19:06 <havenwood> rather, to get the non-bundler version prefix: NOEXEC_DISABLE=1

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19:07 <rpag> havenwood, when i read 'green-big-frog' i thought you meant that link is a big green frog. irc names :O

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19:08 <havenwood> hehe

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19:16 <jpstokes> 1. You have a number between -8192 and 8192.

19:16 <jpstokes> 1. Add 8192 to a raw value, so its range is translated to [0..16383]

19:16 <jpstokes> 2. Pack that value into two bytes such that the most significant bit of each is cleared

19:16 <jpstokes> trying to do the following:

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19:17 <jpstokes> Can't figure out how to do #2

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19:17 <jhass> Check Array#pack

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19:18 <jpstokes> I have but I don't see how you pack it into exactly 2 bytes

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19:19 <jhass> if everything else fails, Integer#& and Integer#>>/Integer#<<

19:20 <jpstokes> array pack is like [21].pack('C2') but total number of bytes using pack may be 4 but it will only return 2 which give me the wrong result when I try to decode it

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19:20 <jpstokes> How would I pack a number like 21 into two bytes and clear the most significant bit???

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19:21 <jhass> as said, if everything else fails through some bitshifting and masking

19:21 <rpag> i bet terrorists write code like [21].pack('C4')

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19:22 <jpstokes> rpag: lol

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19:22 <jpstokes> documentation on this stuff is seriously lacking...and I don't know how to bitshift...at least I don't understand the logic behind it

19:23 <jhass> did you google?

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19:23 <jhass> bitshifting and masking is quite fundamental stuff

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19:23 <jhass> I'm sure there are tons of resources for it

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19:26 <jhass> jpstokes: it might help to look a bit at the bit patterns, .to_s(2) should come in handy while experimenting

19:26 <jhass> ;)

19:26 <jpstokes> yep reading up on bitshifting now

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19:27 <jpstokes> I still don't think this will help with packing the resulting value to 2 bytes though

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19:28 <jhass> >> [16383.to_s(2), 16383.to_s(2).size]

19:28 <eval-in_> jhass => ["11111111111111", 14] (https://eval.in/248818)

19:28 <jhass> how many bits has a byte?

19:28 <jhass> how many bits do you need to encode per byte for your taks?

19:28 <jhass> *task

19:29 <jhass> what does that mean for the most significant bit?

19:29 <shevy> it becomes rather insignificant

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19:30 <shevy> do you guys know when the term "bit" was coined

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19:31 <rpag> yes

19:31 <rpag> bitcoin

19:31 <rpag> 2012 or so

19:31 <rpag> bout the same time computers were invented

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19:33 <jpstokes> sorry missed convoy

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19:34 <jpstokes> well I need two bytes so that's 16 bits all together

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19:34 <jhass> look at your value

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19:34 <jhass> how many bits can it have at most

19:34 <centrx> unless it they are baker's bytes!

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19:35 <shevy> damn... Process.daemon(true, true) behaves like a zombie

19:36 <jhass> good, just don't daemonize then, use a supervisor

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19:37 <rpag> shevy, what did you expect if you write satanist code like that

19:37 <shevy> I would not have enough patience for a supervisor

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19:37 <rpag> blasphemy

19:38 <shevy> rpag yeah ... I think I need some random zombie killing code to just randomly kill the PID

19:38 <rpag> `kill -9 0`

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20:03 <jumex> Hi all. I have an odd question. I am using the default Ruby Logger class like so to roll my logs: Logger.new(log_file, shift_age = 'daily’), which make my logsrolls look like “development.log.20150121,” but in order to integrate my system with the system I am working with, I need the logrolls to look like “development.log.2014-01-21.” Does anyone here know how to change the log roll format?

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20:05 <centrx> jumex, There is a "formatter" attribute on the logger, which you can change

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20:06 <centrx> jumex, the formatter can be a block or a class that responds to #call

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20:06 <centrx> block/proc

20:06 <jhass> jumex: looks hardcoded https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/lib/logger.rb#L719

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20:08 <jumex> jhass: ack! it DOES look hardcoded… That isn’t using the formatter at all ;_;

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20:08 <jhass> I guess centerx thought you meant the log line format ;)

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20:10 <jumex> yep. I guess I’ll have to find an out of band solution for this issue, then…

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20:11 <Deepu_> can you please tell me what I am doing wrong? I'm always getting "num_match = 0" http://pastie.org/private/uarmu60l2qy1zv9ukbb1ga

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20:14 <Deepu_> this is how I am executing ./check-log.rb -f /var/log/client.log -q Exceptions -n 2

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20:16 <jhass> Deepu_: check the value before the .to_i

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20:17 <jhass> .to_i returns 0 for nil and errors

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20:17 <Deepu_> jhass: ok let me do that

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20:21 <Deepu_> jhass: it seems like config[:num_match] is nil

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20:21 <jhass> ;)

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20:22 <Deepu_> jhass: any idea why it is nil?

20:22 <jhass> I don't know the library you're using, so no

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20:22 <Deepu_> so if I convert nil to intiger it will be 0?

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20:23 <shevy> >> nil.to_i

20:23 <eval-in_> shevy => 0 (https://eval.in/248925)

20:23 <shevy> yes Deepu_

20:23 <shevy> it is integer though, not in-tiger

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20:23 <shevy> unless you have a tiger in your pants

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20:24 <centrx> Liongs and Intigers and Bools, oh my!

20:24 <Deepu_> shevy: unfortunatly I don't

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20:27 <shevy> oh Liongs

20:27 <shevy> Booleongs

20:27 <shevy> centrx, why did you add "oh my"?

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20:28 <shevy> this is actually the second time now that I noticed someone use the phrase "oh my" when tigers were mentioned

20:28 <centrx> "Lions and tigers and bears oh my"!

20:28 <shevy> hmm

20:28 <shevy> aaaah

20:28 <centrx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etx-nDCZzLo

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20:28 <shevy> The Wizard of Oz

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20:32 <shevy> hmm

20:32 <shevy> why do we guys use Foo.new

20:32 <shevy> and not just Foo[]

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20:35 <GreatDanton> is it worth to spend time learning how to make Gui using Ruby or should I learn Python instead?

20:36 <wasamasa> creating guis will suck either way

20:36 <wasamasa> have you considered doing a webui?

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20:38 <weeb1e_> GreatDanton: WebUI is your best option by far

20:38 <mozzarella> why does it suck?

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20:38 <weeb1e_> Building desktop GUI applications is a pain in general

20:39 <weeb1e_> The only way to achieve a light weight distributable package is by building a native application, and even then the GUI library you'll use will probably be pretty large

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20:40 <GreatDanton> i got no idea what webui is

20:40 <weeb1e_> GreatDanton: You may want to look into building a web application and using Overwolf to wrap it in a nice looking desktop window

20:40 <GreatDanton> google gives me nothing

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20:40 <weeb1e_> Overwolf has the advantage of also being able to function as a directx overlay inside other full screen applications

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20:41 <weeb1e_> GreatDanton: WebUI is a web application, a web server to serve the files, html and css for layout, javascript for client-side scripting

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20:42 <weeb1e_> I recommend looking at Sinatra and Thin

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20:54 <shevy> Frank Sinatra

20:54 <shevy> he was a good look indeed

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20:57 <pipework> I recommend Rack and Puma.

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20:58 <atmosx> pumaaaa

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20:58 <atmosx> pipework: why not thin?

20:58 <atmosx> or foreman

20:59 <atmosx> there was an even newer

20:59 <atmosx> typhoon or something

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20:59 <pipework> atmosx: thin because EM. um... foreman, I din't know

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20:59 <pipework> atmosx: Can you link me to the right foreman you speak of?

21:00 <atmosx> pipework: It is used to start multiple processes, like sinatra and sidekiq and EM etc

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21:00 <atmosx> pipework: I could yes

21:00 <atmosx> but I wont :-P I need to do down reboot by RPi and see if gets an IPv6 address

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21:01 <ddv> puma

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21:01 <pipework> atmosx: Oh, I thought we were just listing a library/framework for web and an app server to run it on

21:01 <pipework> foreman isn't either of those things.

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21:03 <atmosx> pipework: could be

21:03 <pipework> atmosx: How?

21:04 <atmosx> if you ask politely

21:04 <pipework> I don't do that.

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21:18 <mbff> Anyone know how I would target every file recursively for a file glob?

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21:19 <mbff> Right now I have files: ['{,*/}*.*', '!<%= config.public_dir %>/**'],

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21:20 <mbff> I cannot figure it out. I have asked here several times.

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21:23 <mozzarella> I'm not sure what you mean

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21:25 <wallerdev> every file on your entire hard drive?

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21:25 <wallerdev> or what

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21:26 <mbff> no from the parent folder

21:26 <mbff> I am working on a gruntfile

21:26 <mbff> I want it to trigger when anyfile changes in my project folder

21:26 <wallerdev> you want a glob that targets every file on your system from a parent folder?

21:27 <mbff> like **/*.scss but any extenison

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21:27 <wallerdev> what about **/* ?

21:27 <mbff> let me try

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21:28 <mbff> wow that was easy

21:28 <mbff> so what did '{,*/}*.*' mean

21:28 <mbff> ?

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21:28 <mbff> I got that from a website/stackoverflow

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21:29 <mozzarella> you tell us

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21:33 <wallerdev> no clue

21:33 <wallerdev> haha

21:33 <wallerdev> i dont do much globbing besides the basics

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21:37 <havenwood> mbff: You can read about what it means in the docs: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.2.0/Dir.html#method-c-glob

21:37 <mbff> alright thanks for the help

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21:37 <havenwood> mbff: the `{,*/}` means either prefixed by nothing (before the comma) or by a filename and slash (so subdirectories)

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21:38 <havenwood> mbff: i'm sure you're familiar with the `*.*` part

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21:38 <mbff> any filename any file extension?

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21:39 <havenwood> mbff: yup, but there must be both filename and extension to match

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21:39 <havenwood> mbff: at least something dot something

21:39 <mbff> ok so will **/* cover things in parent directory

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21:40 <mbff> or does it only cover stuff one directory deep

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21:41 <havenwood> mbff: "** Matches directories recursively."

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21:42 <mbff> that still is a little confusing for me

21:42 <havenwood> mbff: the directory you're in and all subdirectories of subdirectories

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21:42 <mbff> thank you

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21:42 <mbff> that helps a lot

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21:43 <mbff> havenwood I pretty sure you have helped me like a dozen times now

21:43 <havenwood> mbff: :)

21:43 <mbff> can I buy you a coffee or something (Paypal)

21:43 <shevy> sex

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21:45 <umbrella> Is it possible to use ruby for hardware hacking?

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21:46 <wallerdev> youd have to be more specific about "hardware hacking"

21:47 <umbrella> Example a gaming mouse with 3leds. Making driver like ruby code that's enable to modify the 3 variables.

21:47 <atmosx> umbrella: I don't think any high level language would be a good choice for anything that you could mean for "hw hacking"

21:47 <havenwood> mbff: glad to help out when i can, nice that Ruby is fun

21:48 <wallerdev> no you're not gonna want to try to write drivers in ruby

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21:48 <mbff> Alright thanks

21:48 <atmosx> umbrella: there are gems to play with arduino if you like

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21:49 <umbrella> Why is ruby practical?

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21:51 <wallerdev> because it can be used in a way that helps you solve problems?

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21:51 <fuzzyhorns1> anyone seen different behavior between Time.parse and .to_time when s ending data to a db query?

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22:41 <Kilo`byte> how can i get my local port of a connection in ruby?

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22:41 <Kilo`byte> as in, TCP connection

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22:41 <momomomomo> Kilo`byte: where’s your code?

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22:42 <Kilo`byte> momomomomo: i don't have any code atm

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22:42 <momomomomo> what connection are you talking about, then Kilo`byte

22:43 <Kilo`byte> but basicly, i would have this: mysocket = TCPSocket.new "somehost", 1234

22:43 <Kilo`byte> now, the remote port is 1234

22:43 <Kilo`byte> the local port is assigned by the OS. how can i retrieve it

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22:44 <momomomomo> it should be mapped 1:1 with what you set

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22:44 <Kilo`byte> momomomomo: you don't SET the local port

22:45 <Kilo`byte> the OS does that for you

22:45 <momomomomo> welp, unless you’re running in a VM

22:45 <Kilo`byte> well, lets assume i am not :P

22:45 <momomomomo> where you should be mapping or forwarding on your host if you really need that, it shouldn’t affect anything, so why do you need this

22:45 <apeiros> Kilo`byte: I think addr contains it

22:45 <wallerdev> i think you can use Addrinfo for that

22:46 <Kilo`byte> yes

22:46 <Kilo`byte> i assume too

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22:46 <apeiros> yupp, docs confirm

22:46 <Kilo`byte> but i don't know how to get the addrinfo for the local part of connection

22:46 <apeiros> IPSocket#addr

22:46 <apeiros> ?

22:46 <apeiros> just call .addr on the socket

22:47 <Kilo`byte> aaaaaah

22:47 <Kilo`byte> thanks buddy

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22:47 <Kilo`byte> did not see IPSocket

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22:53 <apeiros> Kilo`byte: always check ancestors ;-)

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22:54 <Kilo`byte> apeiros: well, i could have sworn TCPSockets direct parent was Socket

22:54 <Kilo`byte> i derped there

22:54 <apeiros> >> require 'socket'; TCPSocket.ancestors

22:54 <eval-in_> apeiros => [TCPSocket, IPSocket, BasicSocket, IO, File::Constants, Enumerable, Object, Kernel, BasicObject] (https://eval.in/249243)

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22:55 <apeiros> odd enough that Socket isn't even in the ancestry at all

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22:57 <Kilo`byte> apeiros: thats a good one to know

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22:57 <wallerdev> great interview question right there

22:58 <sssilver> People of #ruby, why doesn't gem install return a non-zero code to the shell when/if it fails to install something for whatever reason?

22:58 <rpag> i dont know why, but i think it should. send a pull request?

22:59 <sssilver> best I can do with my skillset is report a bug (unless gem is written on C++/Python)

23:00 <rpag> its written in ruby

23:00 <wallerdev> it returned 2 on failure for me

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23:01 <wallerdev> and 0 on success

23:01 <wallerdev> are you sure?

23:01 <wallerdev> what version of gem

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23:02 <sssilver> 1.8.23

23:02 <wallerdev> upgrade yo

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23:03 <sssilver> all I do is sudo apt-get install -y ruby, yo

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23:03 <wallerdev> what version of ruby are you on

23:03 <wallerdev> 1.8??

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23:03 <sssilver> 1.9.3

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23:03 <wallerdev> get ruby 2

23:03 <shevy> ack

23:03 <wallerdev> package managers live in the past

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23:03 <wallerdev> ruby lives in the future

23:03 <sssilver> I don't even use Ruby, I just use Compass

23:03 <shevy> debian is so slow

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23:04 <shevy> yeah but you use an outdated gem, and that came from debian

23:04 <shevy> *rubygem; there are the newer ones https://rubygems.org/pages/download

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23:06 <sssilver> yeah see, this is a problem... someone who just needs to use a tool ought to be able to count on his package manager to get the whatever-dependencies, and then use them like any other Linux program

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23:06 <wallerdev> then blame debian or whatever OS you're on

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23:07 <wallerdev> most package managers are behind on updates, that's just how they work, they never update anything because they don't want to break things so things just stay stagnant or years behind

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23:07 <sssilver> well they don't wanna break anything, because breaking stuff, you know, matters

23:07 <wallerdev> ruby 1.9.3 was released in october 2011

23:08 <sssilver> so some projects need to be less like "we'll make crap now and fix it later" towards more like "lets polish our turd before shipping it"

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23:08 <omosoj> do you guys like the OO paradigm?

23:08 <wallerdev> i like it

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23:09 <wallerdev> nice for representing quantifiable objects

23:09 <sssilver> especially projects that are as fundamental as a package manager of an almost-popular programming language

23:09 * sssilver shrugs

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23:11 <omosoj> is it easy for you guys to conceptualize programs with OO? i'm still having trouble

23:11 <sssilver> omosoj: no, it's not easy

23:12 <sssilver> omosoj: OO has its philosophical issues

23:12 <wallerdev> meh i find it pretty easy for most projects i work on

23:12 <sssilver> omosoj: that skill comes with experience and taste

23:12 <omosoj> i feel like for some reason it's not my natural mode of thinking

23:12 <omosoj> and that it's actually kinda weird. but, i mean, what do i know

23:12 <sssilver> omosoj: you'll find yourself pondering "is it the dog that eats the bone, or is it the bone that gets eaten by the dog"

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23:13 <havenwood> sssilver: What disto are you on?

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23:13 <sssilver> omosoj: however nasty it feels, spend some years with it before you switch to Haskell ^.^

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23:13 <omosoj> i'm reading articles online about it to try to learn it

23:13 <omosoj> sssilver: LOL! i'm learning haskell little by little now :) why do you say that?

23:14 <sssilver> havenwood: I'm on Ubuntu, but my Dockerfile with the issue is derived from Debian

23:14 <shevy> omosoj do you know alan kay? if not, there are some great lectures he did on old school OOP

23:14 <recurrence> If I extend a class in ruby then override osme functions and then call a super’s function. Will the super function call functions of the child class or the super class when invoking them?

23:14 <omosoj> shevy, cool, i'll check them out

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23:14 <sssilver> omosoj: just because OO skills are always useful to have, even if you're a hardcore FP person

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23:15 <havenwood> sssilver: 14.10 has the fairly modern Ruby 2.1 package. If you need newer there're the Brightbox packges: https://launchpad.net/~brightbox/+archive/ubuntu/ruby-ng

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23:15 <omosoj> sssilver, why? well, i know that haskell isn't used on a lot of projects so economically it's not the best language to learn

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23:16 <wallerdev> all skills are useful to have

23:16 <shevy> learn php

23:16 <sssilver> omosoj: it's not about Haskell, it's about the paradigm. Functional, stateless, declarative programming vs. Object-oriented, stateful, imperative programming

23:16 <havenwood> shevy: nooo

23:16 <wallerdev> the more programming languages you learn the more optiosn you have for approaching problems

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23:16 <wallerdev> always a +

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23:16 <shevy> :)

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23:16 <wallerdev> did you guys know they sell coffee in cans?

23:16 <omosoj> yeah, need to learn a few varieties of languages

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23:16 <wallerdev> we got some at work this week and its really good

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23:16 <sssilver> omosoj: good luck implementing something inherently stateful (like World of Warcraft) using a stateless machine :))

23:16 <wallerdev> called UCC Coffee

23:16 <shevy> wallerdev better than selling them in coffins

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23:17 <omosoj> sssilver, maybe it's because i've never built a large application from scratch. now i just conceptualize things as a series of functions, i guess.

23:17 <wallerdev> my only FP experience is erlang which is a pretty cool language

23:18 <sssilver> omosoj: OK that's different, that's not necessarily "functional programming" in the traditional sense

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23:18 <sssilver> omosoj: try to build larger apps using functions, and you'll start noticing some redundancies

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23:18 <sssilver> omosoj: at some point you'll be like "man I wish I had a class so I didn't have to write all this boilerplate list of arguments in all my functions"

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23:19 <omosoj> is OO the only way to deal with it? aren't here modules or something in other languages?

23:19 <sssilver> there are monads

23:19 <omosoj> or are modules OO constructs..?

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23:19 <sssilver> but if you're struggling with OOP, you'll probably be struggling with Monads :)

23:19 <omosoj> yeah, monads :) i've heard of them in haskell

23:20 <omosoj> are monads like environments that provide resources?

23:20 <sssilver> dude

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23:20 <sssilver> haven't you heard of the curse of monads?

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23:20 <GaryOak_> what are momndads?

23:20 <omosoj> i've heard scary things about them, but not about the curse lol

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23:21 <sssilver> omosoj: watch the first 3 minutes of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkZFtimgAcM -- he mentions the curse of monads

23:21 <omosoj> GaryOak_, afaik, a difficult concept present in haskell: https://www.haskell.org/tutorial/monads.html

23:21 <sssilver> at like 0:50 seconds

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23:22 <omosoj> lol @ the title: monads & gonads

23:22 <uptownhr> using erb form bulider to build a form for user

23:22 <uptownhr> how can i get a cehckbox array that looks like this?

23:22 <uptownhr> <input type="checkbox" name="user[account_pks][]" value="<%=account.id%>">

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23:22 <GaryOak_> from the wiki, on the programmer level, they are just function chains

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23:23 <wallerdev> what is a checkbox array?

23:23 <omosoj> this guy seems cool

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23:24 <GaryOak_> but there's a lot of comp sci math that doesn't really pertain to anyone but language devs

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23:24 <wallerdev> you can do something like <% accounts.each do |account| %> <input blah blah blah value="<%= account.id %>"> <% end %>

23:24 <omosoj> GaryOak_, i haven't gotten very deep so i don't even know why they're considered so difficult to understand

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23:26 <havenwood> i think it usually goes: endofuncto(head explodes)r

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23:26 <ellisTAA> i’m trying to understand factory methods & constructors in ruby and can’t find a good source. anyone know of one?

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23:28 <wallerdev> a factory would be like you have various services, TwitterService, FacebookService, GooglePlusService. you call my_service = CoolFactory.create(:twitter); my_service.get_posts

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23:29 <wallerdev> not the most useful concept really in ruby

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23:29 <GaryOak_> wallerdev: does duck typing negate the need for factories in ruby?

23:30 <wallerdev> meh factories dont seem that useful in general to me but yeah the fact that theres no interfaces you have to implement makes them seem like not a real pattern anymore

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23:31 <pipework> Whale, Factories are awesome

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23:31 <pipework> wallerdev: What do you mean? You could use your own method, or you could just use .new

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23:31 <wallerdev> hm?

23:32 <GaryOak_> I think factories are more for setting up a complex object dynamically

23:32 <ellisTAA> is factory method anything that is standard in ruby? like def or puts ?

23:32 <pipework> In terms of the Factory Pattern, they're great for creating complex object hierarchies.

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23:32 <pipework> ellisTAA: What do you mean like def or puts?

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23:32 <GaryOak_> ellisTAA: Not really, factories are a design pattern

23:33 <ellisTAA> i mean is a factory method something that for a lack of a better way of putting it methods that everyone uses like puts or .new

23:33 <ellisTAA> a design pattern?? i guess ill look that up ...

23:33 <GaryOak_> not a language feature

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23:35 <ellisTAA> what does it mean if pipes come before an equal sign? like @cache ||= {}

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23:35 <shivamib_> ellisTAA, it will assign something unless it already has something

23:35 <wallerdev> it means @cache || @cache = {}

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23:36 <ellisTAA> thanks

23:36 <shivamib_> of course

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23:38 <co0k13m0ns13r> test

23:38 <co0k13m0ns13r> Oh I can speak! cool ^.^

23:38 <wallerdev> lucky you

23:38 <co0k13m0ns13r> truckloads.

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23:39 <jumex> jhass: I made a little patch to the Logger class to allow the rotated log file ext to be customized: https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/10772

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23:40 <jumex> Thanks for helping me pinpoint what I needed to change.

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23:41 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> mhhh are there any method that allows me to find the first occurence of an element in array, for example (pseudocode) find { |elem| elem.something == 'foo' }

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23:41 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> first returning true should be returned, otherwise nil

23:42 <wallerdev> find ?

23:42 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> doh

23:42 <jhass> Fire-Dragon-DoL: it works exactly like you wrote?

23:42 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> oh man I was looking in ARRAY

23:42 <Fire-Dragon-DoL> lol

23:42 <wallerdev> lol

23:42 <wallerdev> pseudocode is the answer

23:42 <wallerdev> just write your pseudocode and click run :p

23:42 <pipework> ellisTAA: Oh, no. It's a bit different. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_method_pattern

23:43 <ellisTAA> pipework: ty

23:43 <wallerdev> wikipedia's example is awful for factory pattern lol

23:43 <wallerdev> lets name a class IPhone after starting with the idea that interfaces start with I

23:43 <pipework> It's a good read, the uml sucks though.

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23:43 <jhass> it's a wiki, patch in a better one ;)

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23:43 <pipework> Also, I is prefaced for Interface

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23:43 <wallerdev> right and IPhone is not an interface

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23:44 <pipework> I don't get the joke.

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23:44 <wallerdev> it's not a joke

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23:44 <wallerdev> they could've picked anything else but they picked a word that has an I at the front for the implementation class

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23:45 <wallerdev> the whole point of putting I at the front of interfaces is so you look and are like IAnimal, oh that must be an interface for animals

23:45 <wallerdev> But IPhone could be an interface for phones, or it could be the literal apple iPhone

23:46 <ellisTAA> i started listening to the rubyrogues podcast. anyone know of a better one?

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23:47 <Nilium> Holy crap the mental illness that Blackberry executives must be suffering from right now

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23:48 <Nilium> Well, no, that's rude to people suffering with mental illness.

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23:48 <ellisTAA> so if i have class Car and i want to create a instance of it using ford = Car.new, is .new a factory method?

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23:49 <wallerdev> no

23:49 <wallerdev> since Car.new always returns a Car

23:49 <ellisTAA> so is .new a constructor?

23:49 <wallerdev> yeah

23:49 <wallerdev> its like ford = new Car() in other languages

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23:52 <ellisTAA> i see

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23:52 <wallerdev> keep in mind if you delve into design patterns that the main ones were created with c++ in mind, and might not be as useful in other languages

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23:54 <jhass> keep in mind that design patterns represent an idea, not necessarily a literal implementation

23:54 <jhass> they give names to concepts so you can talk about them without explaining the concept every single time

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23:55 <wallerdev> +1

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23:55 <deepa> NaN

23:55 <ellisTAA> is a class a factory?

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23:56 <wallerdev> no?

23:56 <wallerdev> lol

23:56 <ellisTAA> lol

23:56 <ellisTAA> based on this defintiion it sounds like a class is one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_%28object-oriented_programming%29

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23:57 <wallerdev> it's an object for creating other objects

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23:57 <wallerdev> if you just do class Cow; end

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23:57 <wallerdev> there's no way to create other objects from the Cow class

23:57 <wallerdev> you can only create cows

23:57 <ellisTAA> so class.new would be a factory?

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23:58 <wallerdev> lol

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23:58 <wallerdev> most people would just call that initializing an object

23:59 <wallerdev> there's no reason to bring the concept of factories into that

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23:59 <ellisTAA> ah. i’m just trying to figure it out. this problem i’m working on says one of the topics is factory methods

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