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whitequark >
you sure know how to party
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roadt >
hi, hmm.., is any difference betwen "class C; self.include M; end" and "class C; include M; end"? the previous gives me a 'private method' error, and later seems just ok
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rippa >
include is a private method
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rippa >
it can only be called with an implicit receiver
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... except if it would be called include=, then self.include = M would be totally OK
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roadt >
rippa, whitequark tks for respond (just back.)
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roadt >
rippa, i'm a little curious about the syntax meaning of the execution of class block. as you refer 'implicit receiver'. so it can by pass the lang privilege access layer?
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roadt >
rippa, is any places i cani find the related material/dicussion about it?
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roadt >
whitequark, that's assumption.:D actually, i still don't get the point about the privilege difference between them.
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roadt >
whitequark, >_>
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whitequark >
roadt: it's dumb really
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whitequark >
so don't bother
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whitequark >
"implicit receiver" = "send method without dot"
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whitequark >
i.e. "foo()" is implicit, "self.foo()" or "a.foo()" is explicit
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whitequark >
"foo + bar" is also explicit.
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roadt >
whitequark, it has the special meaning in acess privilege? that looks surprising for me. i always take f() as shortcut self.f().
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private methods can only be accessed with implicit receiver. that's all about them.
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roadt >
whitequark, ok. hmmm, i'll write some test in other cases to make sure i understand this.
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roadt >
whitequark, tks for help~
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yorickpeterse >
moo
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what's up programmer bros
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it's not safe to use timeout() it seems
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ledestin >
imagine it expiring while in an ensure
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: man LLVM is some serious internet business
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is it?
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as in, it's complex
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whitequark >
LLVM itself is rather contrived and has a lot of moving parts, that's for sure
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whitequark >
but its interface is rather simple
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yorickpeterse >
I wish the docs would back that up, but instead they shower you in massive piles of C++
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whitequark >
read the Kaleidoscope tutorial
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yorickpeterse >
I did
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yorickpeterse >
And it has that exact problem
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whitequark >
and after that, yeah, usually gotta grok C++ to get interesting stuff done
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whitequark >
such is life
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yorickpeterse >
I take it ruby-llvm doesn't have more docs besides the samples/ directory?
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whitequark >
no, it's a thin wrapper
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hmpf
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and yes, thin means that if you give LLVM a value of a wrong type, or, in fact, look at it in some way it doesn't like
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whitequark >
boom, segfault
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whitequark >
so check your types.
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yorickpeterse >
Tempted to write an interpreter while reading up on it, I can always switch to compiled later on
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whitequark >
yeah, write interpreter first
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whitequark >
good for debugging.
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yorickpeterse >
Also, how would do deal with OO in LLVM? Do you abuse modules for that?
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yorickpeterse >
Eh let me clarify
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whitequark >
you expand it away.
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yorickpeterse >
So LLVM has modules, functions and a bunch of other crap
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whitequark >
LLVM can be thought of as, more or less, C without C syntax.
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yorickpeterse >
In the end you need some data container for your objects and such, and by the looks of it modules could be used for that
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whitequark >
no, you're completely wrong.
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yorickpeterse >
heh
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whitequark >
use records for it
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whitequark >
I suggest you to read up on how C++ does it, in particular, vtable pointer
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that's how pretty much everything out there lowers OO
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Time to read up on Smalltalk again
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while at the same time reading up on space stuff
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yorickpeterse >
and brainfuck compilers
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smalltalk ?
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Reading up on how it does the OO aspect, the syntax, etc
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whitequark >
also you may be interested in self
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I feel a bit ashamed not knowing a lot about it considering it's basically the grandfather of decent OO
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whitequark >
well, the first OO system in the Java sense of OO is Simula
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though it's boring
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whitequark >
but the first OO system in the true sense of OO is indeed Smalltalk (right after Simula)
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heh, it appears people are using some APIs we have and breaking them
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(Campfire channel getting spammed by Rollbar)
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and damn, looking back at this Lemon code I wrote on a plane 3 months ago I appreciate the fact that I can actually read it
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yorickpeterse >
Ugh damn it, I got myself a mushroom pizza instead of pizza hawai
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yorickpeterse >
probably should've looked at the package
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i'm kind of confused on whether i should specify development dependencies in Gemfiles or in the gemspec...
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futile >
If your data is UTF-8, use String#bytesize not String#size.
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futile >
lesson learned.
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if you want the number of bytes, yes
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i can count on one hand the number of times i've used bytesize
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all those times i also happened to be using Array#pack as well
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seems legit