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<wpwrak> aww, indeed. i *knew* something was wrong ...
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<DocScrutinizer05> :-
<DocScrutinizer05> :-)
<DocScrutinizer05> any tips how to re,ove crumbs and debris out of a laptop style keyboard?
<DocScrutinizer05> remove*
<DocScrutinizer05> almost seems like I had to pull all the keycaps first - or at least half of them
<whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: yes, you do
<whitequark> there is a special tool for removing keycaps
<DocScrutinizer05> dang, thought sth like this
<whitequark> you can make it yourself with um. two bent wires and a piece of wood
<DocScrutinizer05> o.O
<whitequark> basically you need two wire loops that go under the keycap and grab it from four points
<whitequark> and then something to pull on it relatively evenly
<whitequark> it is a very simple tool
<DocScrutinizer05> mhm, can do that
<whitequark> they sell it for $6 on amazon :D
<DocScrutinizer05> ta
* DocScrutinizer05 regrets not playing guitar
<whitequark> I think you really need to use some kind of powerful air stream to clean it up
<whitequark> after removing the keycaps even
<whitequark> canned air won't cut it
<whitequark> (I tried)
<whitequark> and for the keycaps themselves, throw them into an ultrasonic cleaner filled with isopropanol or something. I would do that
<whitequark> in fact I'd throw the whole keyboard there but it likely won't fit. unless you have a really big cleaner
* whitequark sighs
<whitequark> let's give freecad another try. I wonder if it stopped randomly segfaulting yet.
<DocScrutinizer05> M, N and B already lost the paint of printing anyway
<whitequark> as if you need to look at the key to know that it's there
<DocScrutinizer05> not really, as long as it's only M and N ;-)
<whitequark> do you really look at the keyboard while typing?
<whitequark> I don't even *have* the russian layout on this laptop and I don't think I have ever noticed it
<DocScrutinizer05> actzally I developed a strange love to this slowly vanishing paoint - maybe it forces me to learn proper blind typing shortly before retirement
<whitequark> could certainly go with all-black keycaps with no difference
<whitequark> I don't believe you're going to retire :p
<DocScrutinizer05> paint*
<DocScrutinizer05> sure, I might die before ;-P
<DocScrutinizer05> otherwise in a few decades it's inevitable
<whitequark> you really want to sit around and do absolutely nothing?
<whitequark> isn't that... boring?
<DocScrutinizer05> err, right now I don't have any such plans
<DocScrutinizer05> I bought 3 Tritium keyrings only 4 years ago, and I still plan to see themn fade away ;-D
<whitequark> hehe
<whitequark> wait, didn't they forbid to import that stuff?
<DocScrutinizer05> sshhhhhhh!
<DocScrutinizer05> import, yes
<DocScrutinizer05> possess, no
<DocScrutinizer05> in GB they are still freely available, I think
<DocScrutinizer05> In Russia they probably still use Radium, eh? ;-D
<whitequark> you can find radium ink rather easily in garbage still
<whitequark> or at least that's what I'm told
<DocScrutinizer05> haha
<whitequark> well, easily considering how old it
<whitequark> is
<DocScrutinizer05> easily thanks to how easy it is to find it ;-P
<DocScrutinizer05> when there's one thing that's easy to find in a giant landfill when you're searching for it, then that's probably Radium ink
<DocScrutinizer05> you just need to steer clear of the discarded gamma ray sterilizers
<whitequark> that's for sure
<DocScrutinizer05> but I heard they recycle those directly in steel ovens
<DocScrutinizer05> gives the steel a lovely warm touch ;-)
<whitequark> I never heard of it being done deliberately
<whitequark> but accidentally, yes, there's a small but continuous stream of incidents.
<DocScrutinizer05> nah, just because the Cobalt60 can looks like any other steel junk
<whitequark> scrap yards must have geiger counters in exhaust for this purpose
<whitequark> though this only detects it and doesn't really prevent fallout in some nearby city
<DocScrutinizer05> haha, yeah I bet they are all in perfectly working condition
<DocScrutinizer05> "that damn thing again started beeping. Third time today. Pavel, take the hammer and fix it!"
<DocScrutinizer05> it's really nasty when they melt it together with 500t of other steel scrap
<whitequark> yep.
<DocScrutinizer05> might just reduce the radiation level so it doesn't instantly kill
<DocScrutinizer05> actually I only "recently" learned they use that stuff in hospitals too (though not *that* brute power). I thought it's only used in sterilizers, large concrete building/machine where you send in vegetables or medical tools or whatever at one end and it comes out 3min later on the other end, totally sterile
<DocScrutinizer05> I think the walls are more than 1m thick
<DocScrutinizer05> and fixing such machine is probably a highly exciting job
<whitequark> well, it has some kind of a hatch that closes the box
<whitequark> then you're only left with (hopefully low) level of induced radiation
<DocScrutinizer05> sorry, dunno but mp4 and similar stuff doesn't play in my PC
<whitequark> $ vlc http://url.mp4?
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<DocScrutinizer05> seems I "forgot" to install vlc
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<DocScrutinizer05> oops, nope. wrong shell
<DocScrutinizer05> [0x7fdb6c0009b8] main input error: no suitable demux module for `https/://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Brqd296CIAA9CBv.mp4'
<whitequark> um
<whitequark> > https/://
<whitequark> that's not an url
<DocScrutinizer05> mot my idea
<DocScrutinizer05> not*
<whitequark> put it in quotes? seems your shell screwed it up
<DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~> vlc https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/Brqd296CIAA9CBv.mp4
<DocScrutinizer05> putting it in quote doesn't change much, though a lil bit. It doesn't complain about demux anymore, it just simply doesn't play it
<DocScrutinizer05> or ... how to put it ... plays it in 0.1s
<whitequark> ugh
<DocScrutinizer05> according to timecode. No visible video content though
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<whitequark> fuck, it segfaulted
<whitequark> amazing, now it segfaulted AND corrupted my data.
<whitequark> what a piece of shit.
<DocScrutinizer05> vlc?
<whitequark> freecad
<wpwrak> it would be lovely if someone would take the concept of fped and turn it into 3D, or at least proper 2.5D. i'm using it as 2.5D, but in a very crude way.
<wpwrak> and of course, fped isn't really meant to be a cad system, though i keep on coming back to it because the rest just sucks so badly
<whitequark> well, from my POV, fped sucks just as badly
<wpwrak> freecad shows a lot of promise and i think the constraint solver is a very nice concept, but then the step from 2D to 3D seems to be missing.
<wpwrak> you tried it ?
<whitequark> I looked at it
<whitequark> and yeh, tried a bit
<whitequark> it's not any more pleasant to use than freecad, I guess, if you're not its developer
<wpwrak> well, a few people have used it and liked it :)
<wpwrak> if has a bit of a learning barrier, but that can't be a problem in your case
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<wpwrak> just to be clear: because it's not a "real" cad system, some things don't work well for cad tasks. so for them you can't use the gui. for example, handling of arcs in rounded boxes, which is a common scenario for cad.
<wpwrak> for footprints, such structures don't exist. so it's not a problem there.
<whitequark> I don't see it being any less frustrating to use than freecad, if for different reasons
<whitequark> therefore, there is no effective difference
<wpwrak> also in 2D ?
<whitequark> I don't have any pure 2D tasks...
<whitequark> at least, I don't need a CAD for one
<wpwrak> ah :) fped is designed for 2D, but i'm forcing it to do 2.5D
<wpwrak> and even the 2D is quite restricted - to what you need for footprints. no point in supporting advanced geometry if all you can possibly do with it is to get things wrong (since none of this is used in footprint definitions)
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<apelete> larsc: still having issues with 3.16-rc3, "Unhandled kernel unaligned access"
<apelete> looks like some kind of memory corruption, but I can't inspect the content of musb->xceiv with gdb (maybe because of some kind of optimization)
* whitequark has machined some aluminium
<apelete> larsc: tried to recompile musb_init_controller() with __attribute__((optimize("O0"))) but it didn't help, looks like I'm stuck right now :-(
<apelete> larsc: do you have any idea that may help ?
<apelete> larsc: last night I was thinking about git bisecting to narrow down possible causes
<apelete> will probably take a lot of time, and not sure it'll help
<larsc> git log v3.14..v3.15 drivers/usb/musb
<larsc> not that many changes
<apelete> ok, so that would be between v3.15 and v3.16-rcX
<larsc> ah, you are trying v3.16
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<apelete> larsc: holy cow, felipe changed the name of the nop transceiver driver in the first commit of that range
<apelete> last night I was thinking about "what would be the impact of the xceiver driver name having changed" :)
<apelete> but then I thought "it would probably brake the build of a lot of glue layers" and I forgot about it
<apelete> I'll try to change the name in jz4740 platform data and see if it solves the issue
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* apelete wishes he could work on kernel stuff during daytime...
<larsc> during the day he is a normal office drone, but at night he turns into KERNELMAN!
<apelete> :)
<larsc> not the driver developer we deserve, but the driver developer we need
<larsc> oh, the other way around
<apelete> maybe I should turn into a superhero, at least they do their stuff during the day
<apelete> and they can still continue into the night if they wish
<apelete> and I don't even talk about the benefit of wearing their pants ON TOP of their trousers
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<nicksydney> wpwrak: nice little solder paste dispenser http://letsmakerobots.com/content/solder-paste-dispenser
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<wpwrak> (solder dispenser) cute :)
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<kristianpaul> germany 1 france 0
<ysionneau> :)
<DocScrutinizer05> well, as tool in a CNC it would be even more useful
<wpwrak> match is getting dirtier ... in the first half, .fr did the fouls, now it's .de
<ysionneau> it seems .de are doing quite a lot of faults
<wpwrak> and nasty ones
<kristianpaul> yeah
<ysionneau> but I guess at this stage of the competition it's clever to grab yellow marks
<ysionneau> as long as you don't get the red one
<wpwrak> yellows get reset for the next match, so there's no risk of getting blocked just by yellows alone
<wpwrak> (excluding yellow-red, of course)
<ysionneau> ah ok I didn't know about the reset
<ysionneau> I wonder why French don't do more faults then
<wpwrak> france's last two minutes ....
<ysionneau> ralala
<wpwrak> neuer is incredible
<ysionneau> yes
<wpwrak> meh, but "man of the match" is hummels
<DocScrutinizer05> sign at doo of a pub: "Neuer - France"
<DocScrutinizer05> door*
<DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
<ysionneau> lol
<kristianpaul> :p
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<wpwrak> ;-)
<wpwrak> already on the intertubes: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/neuer-frankreich.jpg
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<DocScrutinizer05> Last Neuer action looked like handball keeper to me
<DocScrutinizer05> cool dude
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<DocScrutinizer05> ((<wpwrak> yellows get reset )) don't think so. NFC but one comment about "those three players are already biased and may not go too leete in this game..." made me think otherwise
<DocScrutinizer05> aahyep wili also says "two yellow == one game penalty"
<DocScrutinizer05> wiki**
<DocScrutinizer05> but seems they are reset on semi-finale
<DocScrutinizer05> >>any player who received two yellow cards between the beginning of the tournament and the end of the quarterfinal round (instead of the end of the group stage matches) would serve a one-match suspension for the next game. As a result, only players that received two yellow cards or a straight red card in the semifinal game would not be able to play in the final.<<
<DocScrutinizer05> but player who gather their 2 yellow up to quarter-finale (i.e. during today's match) would still get suspended for semi-finale?
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<zrafa> france remembered to start to play the last minute of the match
<zrafa> kristianpaul: it is your turn, please play well :)
<wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: with yellow reset after quarter would be to have them both in semi, which means red. whcih would ban the player from the next match. so yes, in this sense it still applies.
<DocScrutinizer05> nevertheless a player gathering his 2nd yellow in quarter is suspended for semi
<wpwrak> ah yes, that too. so messi has to be careful.
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<wpwrak> bad referee -> ugly play
<wpwrak> kristianpaul: hmm, seems that champagne consumption in colombia will not be very large tonight
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<wpwrak> one more, please ! and then let the champagne flow :)
<DocScrutinizer05> now those are fouls
<wpwrak> fireworks :)
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