<whitequark>
it's in russian, through the interface should be self-explanatory
<wpwrak>
MOQ 10, no ?
<whitequark>
huh?
<whitequark>
ah no
<wpwrak>
ah, unit price and then two qty discounts, i see
<whitequark>
the leftmost column is for 1-9 parts, then for 10, then for 50
<whitequark>
yeah
<whitequark>
and if you'll make an order through their website, you'll get additional 7% off
<wpwrak>
they should open a branch in argentina :)
<whitequark>
well, I myself wonder how they achieved such a result, too. in all other places (except maybe the radiomarket, which is... probably not completely legal) these chips are more expensive (up to three times)
<wpwrak>
do they have all the stuff they list also in stock ?
<whitequark>
the last two columns are: "in stock" and "in warehouse"
<whitequark>
the items which are "in stock" you can go and get right now
<whitequark>
for those in warehouse, you'd need to wait for 2-3 day
<whitequark>
*days
<wpwrak>
ah, so they only have 1 of the cheap cc2420 and 3 which are a bit more expensive ? nothing in the warehouse
<whitequark>
wpwrak: they often buy more. it's fine for prototyping, and if you'll want to get a lot of these (100+ in their terms is "a lot"), they'll quickly find more without any troubles
<wpwrak>
maybe they simply buy surplus stock. that can be cheap.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: not quite. they mainly _sell_ their own surplus stock, as their main job is selling components to companies
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/lib/atrf.c (select_driver): "default" selects the default driver http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/a15ab43
<qi-bot>
[commit] Werner Almesberger: tools/atrf-xtal/Makefile (clean, spotless): also clean up if target is the host http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-wpan/6eebf37
<whitequark>
they also have funny packaging. once I bought 2 atmegas, and they: 1) got a big, 50x20 black plastic bag and sealed it hermetically 2) inside was a folded PET bag of similar size, and sealed hermetically 3) inside was a foiled PET, sealed bag with _air evacuated_, 4) inside of what was a piece of soft plastic (dunno how that is called; you'll often find these e.g. under the motherboard in a box), and inside of that was, finally, 5) a smal
<whitequark>
also inside was a really big sack of silicagel, probably 50 times bigger than the chips...
<wpwrak>
whitequark: hmm, kinda dubious :)
<whitequark>
they have had some warehouse rules changed recently
<whitequark>
well, maybe they bought a lot of these bags or something like that... :)
<wpwrak>
maybe bags are actually their main business :)
<whitequark>
wpwrak: aha, I now understand their evil plan! They are buying a lot of bags and give them out for free combined with some "orders". The income is then negative, but when combined with negative taxes...
<wpwrak>
maybe there
<wpwrak>
's some law forbidding the sale of empty bags, so they need to put something inside. the chips are probably industry rejects :)
<whitequark>
so that's why they make such huge stacks of them
<wpwrak>
it would also explain why you needed so many tries to get your board working ;-)
<wpwrak>
the approach wouldn't be so bad. a batch gets rejected if a sample finds more than N out of M bad parts. that means that there are still M-N good ones, probably a lot more. so just sell them to people who won't notice if, say, 10% of the parts they get are actually broken.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: hah. well, no, that was stupid me not noticing the "connect to Vdd or leave floating" part... poor FETs inside.
<kyak>
xiangfu: hi
<xiangfu>
kyak: Hi
<kyak>
xiangfu: i noticed that the keycodes have changed in trunk in comparison to backfire. For example, PgUp and PgDown used to be code 87 and 88, now they are 114 and 115
<kyak>
that is why scrolling in console was not working
<kyak>
and also adjusting of sound didn't work
<kyak>
do you have an idea where it comes from?
<xiangfu>
this is because they are mapped in different key.
<xiangfu>
87--> F11 88-->F12
<xiangfu>
114-->F13 115-->F14
<xiangfu>
look into" linux-2.6.32.27/arch/mips/jz4740/board-qi_lb60.c"Â Â line 126.
<kyak>
xiangfu: i see. We are missing this in board-qi_lb60.c of 2.6.37.4
<kyak>
there was "#define KEY_QI_VOLUPÂ Â KEY_F11", now it is "#define KEY_QI_VOLUPÂ Â KEY_VOLUMEUP"
<kyak>
i think this is the problem
<kyak>
KEY_F11 is 87, but KEY_VOLUMEUP is 114
<kyak>
(or 115, whatever)
<kyak>
this also causes problems in SDL apps, like nightsky or gmu
<kyak>
they know that Ben's keys VolUp and VolDown are mapped to F11/F12
<xiangfu>
kyak: since the upstream is KEY_VOLUMEUP. change our code. follow upstream.
<kyak>
"change our code" - adapt the console keymap, and keymaps of many other apps, like mplayer, nightsky, gmu (the first i had on mind, there are others). In some of them the mapping is hardcoded
<kyak>
i don't understand the upstream change.
<kyak>
who cares if it is KEY_VOLUMEUP or KEY_F11
<kyak>
it works already as KEY_F11, why need to change the _name_?
<wpwrak>
rjeffries_: so, attach it and show us a video with how great it works with the ben
<kristianpaul>
somebody will end here as soon get flash corrupted, at least wiki also get a good tutorial about the carbon rubber and power/boot sequence of the nanonote
<rjeffries_>
kristainpaul thank you for asking! I borrowed a Ben for a couple of weeks. long enough to realize it assumes a more intelliegent, more well-informed user than me.
<rjeffries_>
when I used it via SSH so I had a bigger keyboard and a larger display, it was a clever little linux box
<rjeffries_>
wpwrak you have the wrong guy. But maybe Tuxbrain will do so after he returns from his sabatical or wherever he is hiding
<kristianpaul>
good, you can blog about that,and tell people your experiences with it
<kristianpaul>
btw i think tuxbrain is not the person that hides, at least you mean other thing rjeffries_ ?
<rjeffries_>
wpwrak I wonder if the 8:10 and SPI will provide an adequate connection to Microtouch
<kristianpaul>
rjeffries_: try it !
<rjeffries_>
if that would work, then for $70 one could add full USB and wouch interface to Ben
<rjeffries_>
kristianpaul which part of IANAE do you misunderstand? ;)
<kristianpaul>
the whole word :-)
<rjeffries_>
tuxbrian is missing in action is my observation. maybe he is being held prisoner by the vendors who build up ATben and ATusb boards? who can say for sure>
<rjeffries_>
I anm not an engineer.
<rjeffries_>
s/wouch/touch
<kristianpaul>
me either
<kristianpaul>
anyway..
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: (tuxbrain) well, he it at least not responding. i've been expecting an update on the pcb side for over a week (there were a few pending questions), and i sent him a mail with more questions a few days ago. well, maybe his family obliged him to stay away from the keyboard for some easter holiday. not too uncommon in europe.
<kristianpaul>
(amily obliged him to stay away from the keyboard for some easter holiday) that make sense
<kristianpaul>
yeah
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: i bet as in here,same in spain, not too much people work in holly week :-)
<kristianpaul>
rjeffries_: no ofense, but not going to the univesity or having a profesional degree in a specifc is not excuse for not doing fun/diy/play with electronics and software
<kristianpaul>
wpwrak: i ran out money past week, for now i cant afford make the 10PCB batch, i'm waiting a project to start so i can get some free to invest money :-)
<kristianpaul>
10PCB atben*
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: :-( well, the PCBs apparently aren't ready yet either. maybe next week.
<kristianpaul>
ah
<kristianpaul>
i tough
<kristianpaul>
wel i miss one week of commit logs..
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: not commit log ;-) fabrication
<kristianpaul>
ah
<kristianpaul>
thats good !
<kristianpaul>
for  a moment i tought you were still polishing something..
<kristianpaul>
wich is not bad of course :-)
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: the order has been given to make them, the fab sent a proposal for the panelization a bit more than a week ago, we sent some comments, and then i don't know what happened afterwards. if they proceeded with making the boards swiftly, they should be done now.
<wpwrak>
kristianpaul: (polishing) oh no. that time is past ;-) final gerber out was march 31
<kristianpaul>
yeah yeah, i read that mail, was a thread in qi i remenber
<wpwrak>
rjeffries: you're staying true to your character ;-)