<xiangfu> kristianpaul: I modify the picture number to "7". checkout  :)
<qi-bot> [commit] Juan64Bits: Revisions http://qi-hw.com/p/xue/4376de3
<kyak> xiangfu: hi
<kyak> xiangfu: do you know why in openwrt-xburst git the package directory is so old?
<xiangfu> kyak: Hi. I saw your message.
<kyak> there are 7 months old files
<kyak> fo examples, there's and old Makfile of ncurses
<kyak> not the current one from openwrt svn
<kyak> and older than we had in openwrt-xburst before
<kyak> (i just noticed that libncursesw was gone and got worried)
<kyak> xiangfu: so you read logs :)
<kyak> so it means that we are on backfire release?
<kyak> it is very old
<xiangfu> kyak: hmm... I think it's no need to update. seems the package directory include packages for the base rootfs.
<kyak> xiangfu: compare this:
<kyak> and this:
<kyak> 8 months vs 8 weeks
<kyak> previously we were on trunk/package/ncurses
<xiangfu> kyak: you right. previously we were on trunk/.
<xiangfu> kyak: but our plan is tracking the upstream [backfire] not [trunk]. so recently we clean up our openwrt-xburst.git
<xiangfu> make sure it's tracking backfire.
<xiangfu> kyak: we mess up the trunk and backfire commits before. now it's better :)
<kyak> hm.. so we are not on the edge anymore
<kyak> what the point of tracking the upstream [backfire]?
<kyak> we will only see backports there?
<kyak> (i just don't like the fact that we lost libncursesw)
<kyak> might be something else that we've lost, too
<xiangfu> kyak: the upstream [backfire] is the stable release of OpenWrt.
<kyak> damn ISP
<kyak> ok
<kyak> so let it be then
<kyak> stability is also good
<kyak> libncursesw is not working anyway
<xiangfu> I don't know why the libncursesw is at package/ directory
<xiangfu> if it include by feeds/packages that will be great. maybe should ask OpenWrt people.
<kyak> H5MK 5@C:C 8CAD3KC H5MK D 7D:5 I0 8DKHA K=K5CL H 5@HB;
<kyak> it's there because it's a part of basic system i think
<xiangfu> yes.
<kyak> xiangfu: after i git clone the openwrt-xburst, and try to create local branch [master] it says that it already exists
<kyak> why is that?
<xiangfu> kyak: when you git clone , it's will create a local branch name master by default.
<kyak> ah ok
<kyak> very convenient
<kyak> xiangfu: another question - what is the purpose of git fetch origin right after git clone?
<kyak> it seems to do nothing
<xiangfu> kyak: when you do the git fetch just after the 'git clone' it's will do nothing.
<kyak> ok, as i thought
<xiangfu> kyak: the 'git fetch' is gupdate the local git in background, not merge to the local branch. just something like in background :)
<xiangfu> kyak: I always use 'git fetch' when the remote have commits from others.
<xiangfu> 1. git fetch
<xiangfu> 2. git rebase origin/master  (which make my commits on the top of remote/master)
<xiangfu> 3. git push
<kyak> what would happen with git fetch if your commits conflict with remote changes?
<xiangfu> kyak: git fetch only download the remote object. it's will not try to merge with local branch.
<xiangfu> the 'git rebase' will do merge. so if there is conflict, it's will prompt. we should fix that manual.
<kyak> ah ok, very clear now
<xiangfu> git pull = git fetch + git merge
<kyak> i always do git pull before git push
<kyak> as you teached me :)
<xiangfu> great :)
<lekernel> what's the difference between rebase and merge?
<lekernel> k, found it :p
<wpwrak> kristianpaul: (pics) they're small :)
<kristoffer> larsc, wpwrak how is u-boot status? In vanilla for nanonote?
<wpwrak> kristianpaul: i don't really know. haven't touched that beast on the ben. i think there are some ben-specific patches that aren't upstream.
<kristoffer> wpwrak, (I assume its for me). oki, Ill look at the qi repository first though
<larsc> wpwrak: upstream uboot support is non existing. and nobody is working on getting it done
<wpwrak> larsc: i think i heard something like upstream not being particularly interested ?
<larsc> uhm, not sure. never heard that before
<wpwrak> kristoffer: err, sorry :) i'm too used to name completion to need less than six characters :)
<larsc> but the code isn't really in a shape were i would take it if i were upstream
<kristoffer> wpwrak, I get that alot lately :) I blame kristianpaul for having a name so similiar :P
<larsc> well, still better then me. i wanted to autocomplete kristoffer and autocompleted wpwrak...
<wpwrak> larsc: ah, i see. well, hopefully, we can get rid of it sometime soon anyway :)
<kristoffer> larsc, lol
<kristoffer> wpwrak, wolfgang is usually quite friendly against new platforms.
<wpwrak> kristoffer: he stole your nick's autocompletion prefix ! should be cristianpaul anyway :)
<wpwrak> kristoffer: hmm, can you really use "against" this way ? :)
<wpwrak> larsc: (autocompletion) interesting algorithm :)
<roh> new platforms?
<kristoffer> wpwrak, :D not sure, it sounds good in swedish though. So most likely a mentalese translation
<wpwrak> roh: new u-boot platform. not "our" wolfgang
<roh> ah
<roh> hoped to find somebody bored enought for soc support work
<kristoffer> alot of wolfgangs in high places
<roh> i recently found out that loads of these cheap pictureframes have small special soc with e.g. arc cpu cores in them
<kristoffer> kristianpaul, I now understand that you are slowly trying to phase me out of existance by replacing letters in your name so you will be the auto tab. Just want you to know that I see through your plans...:P
<wpwrak> notices the beneficial effect of occasionally losing all your data. the perfect way to find out where you forgot to check in some files ...
<roh> *g*
<kristoffer> I really wish I had taken more/any hardware courses in school, would have come in handy when dealing with u-boot
<wpwrak> hmm, xchat doesn't seem to have an autocompletion override feature. would be handy - map cristianpaul to kristianpaul
<wpwrak> kristianpaul: hardware .. like in hydrodynamics ? :)
<kristoffer> :P
<kristoffer> more like general eletronic design. bugtracking faulty hardware. understanding memory more fully
<roh> kristoffer nothing you cant learn now. to be fair: school was a big bust besides basics in math, writing and physics. all the important stuff i needed to learn myself or somewhere else
<kristoffer> roh, yes, atleast to a degree. Programming stuff is easy enough to learn, but the real practical area of eletronic handling (using those fancy detectors/wave generators...) is hard to get
<kristoffer> In a perfect world I would have three degrees... but I doubt I will ever get that
<rafa> kristoffer: I wrote a short "how to get the uboot sources from qi and crosscompile" if you are interested
<roh> kristoffer you see.. i only got one from school and another one after completing my apprenticeship. but these never got me any job yet
<roh> on the contrary. people ask what one did and does, not what papers you can provide (on proper jobs atleast) in my experience
<roh> atleast in the opensource industry i find its much more knowledge based than degree based.
<lekernel> there are tons of factors. diplomas, knowledge, experience, acquaintances...
<lekernel> in some companies (like in the financial sector) it's pure elitism
<wpwrak> lekernel: i thought we were talking about honest work ? :)
<wpwrak> the post is slow. a parcel arrived monday evening, yesterday customs were sitting on it for almost the whole day, then, in the late afternoon, they released it for delivery, and it seems that it still hasn't left the post office by 10:30. i wonder how long it'll take those guys to realize there's really nothing worth stealing inside ...
<kristianpaul> kristoffer: what?
<kristianpaul> ah ;-)
<kristoffer> roh, agreed. In opensource its more of show-me-what-youve-been-doing rather than exams. Atleast thats what the annoying headhunters scavenge for when they send the mails.
<B_Lizzard> I would just like to say that the Nokia BL-5C is a real nice upgrade
<B_Lizzard> Better battery life, weight distribution is better, and it feels more solid.
<kristoffer> B_Lizzard, and you can close the battery lid?
<B_Lizzard> Yeah
<kristoffer> seem to recall seeing something on the mail about it not being possible. but might have been some other battery
<B_Lizzard> It takes a bit more effort at first but once you learn the trick it's easy
<B_Lizzard> It only 1mm thicker
<kristoffer> ah right, it was about the openmoko frerunner batteries
<B_Lizzard> I got the battery for 9 Euro, so it's not exactly expensive
<kristoffer> nice
<B_Lizzard> </advertisement>
<rafa> B_Lizzard: what is the difference between your new battery and nn battery?
<B_Lizzard> 170mAh
<rafa> B_Lizzard: that was for me?.. I do not know anything about batteries. What does that mean? I guess that your new battery will power nn longer
<B_Lizzard> ;)
<B_Lizzard> Exactly
<B_Lizzard> It is made by Nokia, which may or may not mean something, it is bigger by 170mAh and larger by 1mm
<HKCMD> My D845GEBV2 board shows no onboard audio in Bios
<HKCMD>   is that the onboard audio damaged ?