16:41 <sh4rm4> is milkymist using an AVR cpu for usb ?

16:43 <wpwrak> hmm, would be nice if "web update" would say from which date things will be. in fact, the version number seems kinda useless since the versions aren't being bumped

16:44 <wpwrak> sh4rm4: yes. it has "hardware" for the bit-level operations, but once there are bytes, the avr takes over

16:45 <kristianpaul> sh4rm4: yes and not is called navre and is scratch implementationto be compatible with gnu-avr, so usb is implemented in a kind of "microcode"

16:45 <kristianpaul> from scratch*

16:45 <kristianpaul> hardware is the SIE no?

16:45 <sh4rm4> so it is a custom softcpu ?

16:46 <kristianpaul> dunno if there are custom instructions

16:47 <sh4rm4> custom as in IP-free

16:48 <kristianpaul> i hope ;)

16:49 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: the mega-confusingly named softusb_sie ? yes, that's part of it

16:53 <kristianpaul> hey we can actually said then milkymist soc is three core,lm32, fpu and navre

16:55 <wpwrak> 1, the only triple-core VJ workstation :)

16:55 <wpwrak> s/1/M1/

16:56 <kristianpaul> yay

16:58 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: oh, yes you pixel procesor sounds really nice

17:12 <wpwrak> up north ? :)

17:20 <sb0> yes

17:20 <sb0> on the airport bus

17:20 <wpwrak> do they have snow yet ? ;-)

17:22 <sb0> no, and it's actually a tad warmer than berlin

17:23 <wpwrak> must be the sea

17:28 <kristianpaul> 20 C are always perfect :)

20:29 <juliusb> not sure if this has been asked before, but are you guys able to run the Arduino/Wiring stuff on navre?

20:29 <juliusb> I'm not too up on the AVR ISA and what the Navre supports, but that would be interesting

20:30 <kristianpaul> i think papillio boards are better example for such compatiblity/example

20:33 <juliusb> what are those things? google just brings up links to birkenstocks :P

20:33 <juliusb> i think i've heard of what you mean, but it's not papillio

20:33 <juliusb> it's similar...

20:35 <kristianpaul> he, sorry typos

20:35 <kristianpaul> juliusb: http://papilio.cc/

20:35 <kristianpaul> i think that what you want

20:36 <juliusb> ah right yeah

20:37 <juliusb> ok that looks cool, but I mean, could the Wiring stuff, as it is, run on say, the Navre in milkymist? Support for it it might make the M1 a good buy as an educational tool for beginners

20:38 <juliusb> would basically give you the simple IDE to push the LEDs/IOs/analog around

20:38 <juliusb> anyway, just a thought, but I reckon it's pretty good, and the way it has drawn in a lot of users under the guide of the Arduino is impressive

20:43 <kristianpaul> i think already with wiring or not milkymist have a LOT of stuff for been an educational tool

20:43 <juliusb> yep, but with Wiring you can basically piggy-back onto the Arduino bandwagon in a way

20:43 <kristianpaul> but may be you mean been able to run processing on the M1, that will be killer, but kinda hard to port currently (java, c++, etc..)

20:44 <juliusb> i think the accessibility, and simplicity of the interface is a winner, and has to be shown to be so

20:44 <juliusb> mmm yeah actually id on't fully understand the Wiring/processing thing

20:45 <juliusb> afaict the Wiring stuff provides the IDE and the I/O drivers

20:45 <juliusb> what does processing do then?

20:46 <kristianpaul> sure, simplify FN is important i think in the ML wpwrak mentioned something about aliases or self adjust to make things easier,

20:49 <juliusb> ah i see, processing is very java oriented

20:49 <juliusb> mm, I guess I don't quite understand how it does what it does at the moment

20:51 <kristianpaul> visuals

20:51 <kristianpaul> effects, shapes,, drawing and lots of libraries to make rich the process

20:51 <kristianpaul> not couting the examples and clean documentation in the web page

20:53 <juliusb> mmm, fair enough

23:13 <mwalle> just for the logs: +1 for software controlled USB enable signals

23:14 <mwalle> s/w controlled stuff makes test automation easier :)

23:14 <wpwrak> mwalle: since sebastien isn't listening: my evil plan is to make it really easy to just drop in the connecting 0Rs. basically just one mouse click when preparing the fab files ;-)

23:16 <mwalle> if its possible, just add the lines to an IO, and don't use it, so per default its always on

23:16 <mwalle> hopefully, this makes seb happy :)

23:16 <wpwrak> sebastien doesn't want it connected to the FPGA. he's concerned about glitches and such.

23:18 <mwalle> use some pullup or pulldown?

23:18 <mwalle> external ones :)

23:19 <wpwrak> what i proposed is to run the traces to the FPGA by have an unpopulated 0402 footprint in series with them. then add pull-up/down on the switch side to enable.

23:20 <wpwrak> well, 2 x 0402 footprint

23:22 <wpwrak> heh :)

23:53 <roh> usb-enable signals?

23:54 <roh> you mean for the 1.5k pullups?