01:44 <cyrozap> balrog, pointfree: If they're friendly to it, maybe we could ask them to have their legal dept. give us explicit permission to RE stuff and (possibly) provide us with more detailed documentation on routing and timing. Docs should only be accepted if they're NDA-free, though I wouldn't be entirely opposed to a "gentlemen's agreement" like the one azonenberg has with Silego for their programming docs.

20:54 <pointfree> I made a new SVG image of the UDB banks and routing to replace the ascii diagram. There's an interesting pattern as to what is considered an Upper and Lower UDB.

20:54 <pointfree> https://github.com/azonenberg/openfpga/wiki/Digital-System-Routing

22:02 <azonenberg_prnts> o/ folks

22:02 <azonenberg_prnts> Still traveling so not much coding getting done for a while

22:03 <azonenberg_prnts> Anybody up to anything cool?

22:03 <nats`> working with an old 500fps cmos sensor not sure it's cool but it's fun :)

22:03 <nats`> how are you azonenberg_prnts ? :)

22:03 <azonenberg_prnts> Been a long week

22:04 <azonenberg_prnts> Flew SEA -> ALB via DTW weds

22:04 <nats`> cool how was the wedding? :)

22:04 <azonenberg_prnts> Ask me in a few days? :p

22:04 <nats`> you got lot of cake ? :)

22:04 <nats`> ahhh it's in few days

22:04 <azonenberg_prnts> Thurs was catching up with some friends from school

22:04 <nats`> not much stress ? :)

22:04 <azonenberg_prnts> then giving a talk about $WORK to prospective hires

22:04 <azonenberg_prnts> Fri/sat I was a booth babe

22:05 <azonenberg_prnts> after work sat, we had to dig through a mountain of resumes

22:05 <azonenberg_prnts> Sunday was spent interviewing

22:05 <nats`> on sunday ? oO

22:06 <azonenberg_prnts> yeah i worked a full shift both days this weekend

22:06 <azonenberg_prnts> Going to a career fair will do that to you

22:06 <azonenberg_prnts> Monday I took the Amtrak from ALB -> Penn Station in NY, then NJ Transit from Penn to Newark NJ

22:08 <azonenberg_prnts> Plan was to take another train from there to further in NJ to visit my parents

22:08 <azonenberg_prnts> Turns out, there's two trains leaving Newark station in the same direction at the same time on the same day, both bound for Dover NJ

22:08 <azonenberg_prnts> One takes a northerly loop and one goes to the south

22:08 <azonenberg_prnts> Got on the wrong one :p

22:09 <azonenberg_prnts> Looked at the map, found a stop that was kinda-sorta near my parents, then arranged to get picked up there instead of the station 5 mins from home lol

22:11 <nats`> :D it"s fun trip in france are shorter

22:12 <azonenberg_prnts> Lol

22:12 <azonenberg_prnts> Then we drove straight to some relatives near that stop for dinner, got home

22:13 <azonenberg_prnts> Today i was all over the place running errands, picking out a new laptop for my brother, fixing a weird DNS issue on their LAN, dusting out an ancient pentium 4 based desktop full of spider webs...

22:13 <azonenberg_prnts> And tomorrow i spend half the day on trains going to the middle of NY :p

22:14 <nats`> that's a lie :)

22:15 <azonenberg_prnts> lol

22:15 <azonenberg_prnts> and of course i havent seen $WIFE since thursday

22:15 <azonenberg_prnts> Because she's off with HER family doing wedding prep

22:16 <azonenberg_prnts> At least tomorrow i get to be horribly busy with her, lol

22:16 <azonenberg_prnts> (After spending half the day on a train)

22:16 <nats`> :D

22:17 <azonenberg_prnts> Actually got a few hours of coding on my build system done before the train arrived yesterday

22:17 <azonenberg_prnts> So not a COMPLETE waste of time

22:18 <nats`> I love coding in the train

22:18 <nats`> I do that everyday while I'm going to work

22:18 <azonenberg_prnts> yeah i got a lot done in the station and on the amtrak

22:18 <azonenberg_prnts> the nj transit was less b/c i had never been on that route before

22:18 <azonenberg_prnts> so i had to pay attention to the stops

22:18 <azonenberg_prnts> Still got on the wrong train :p

22:19 <azonenberg_prnts> i've been on the amtrak many times and NYC is the end of the line

22:19 <nats`> :D

22:19 <azonenberg_prnts> so hard to screw up

22:19 <azonenberg_prnts> plus the last ~mile before penn station is a giant tunnel with no cell service and little or no light

22:20 <azonenberg_prnts> So, if you are traveling during daylight at least

22:20 <azonenberg_prnts> its hard to miss

22:20 <nats`> sometime I missed the stations going to work because I felt asleep :D

22:21 <azonenberg_prnts> Lol

22:21 <azonenberg_prnts> I dont have that problem on my commute now

22:21 <azonenberg_prnts> I have to stay awake on the bike or i crash

22:21 <azonenberg_prnts> And the ferry is a point to point trip

22:21 <azonenberg_prnts> no other stops

22:22 <azonenberg_prnts> Aaanyway, right now the plan is to head over to long island tomorrow/thurs, upstate NY fri-sat-sun with the wedding on sat

22:22 <azonenberg_prnts> mon-tues are TBD

22:22 <azonenberg_prnts> weds we fly JFK -> SEA

22:23 <azonenberg_prnts> So with any luck i can do some work on the DAC stuff over that weekend

22:23 <azonenberg_prnts> ... except not saturday as i think i have an earthquake drill then :p

22:23 <nats`> have a fun week ahead :)

22:23 <nats`> on my side I have to go to bed

22:24 <nats`> early wake up tomorrow ;\

22:24 <nats`> good night :)

22:24 <azonenberg_prnts> yeah, the 15th is an earthquake drill at a training facility 25mi from home

22:24 <azonenberg_prnts> So i'm going all out crazy on my workout

22:24 <azonenberg_prnts> 25 mi bike ride carrying all of the gear

22:24 <azonenberg_prnts> then the drill, then ride home :p

22:25 <nats`> why do yo ugo there ?

22:25 <azonenberg_prnts> It's the annual requalification of a volunteer group i'm in

22:25 <azonenberg_prnts> Held at the county emergency training facility

22:25 <azonenberg_prnts> i just happen to live about as far from that city as I can without being in the next county, lol

22:26 <azonenberg_prnts> So every time i go there on the bike I ride a half-century :p

22:29 <nats`> oky :) so have fun and good night :)

22:29 <azonenberg_prnts> Enjoy

22:29 <azonenberg_prnts> pointfree, cyrozap: How goes the psoc'ing?

22:33 <pointfree> azonenberg_prnts, cyrozap: There's an interesting pattern with what is called an upper or lower UDB in a pair. I made a new image replacing the ascii diagram: https://github.com/azonenberg/openfpga/wiki/Digital-System-Routing

22:35 <azonenberg_prnts> on slooow DSL

22:36 <pointfree> I believe there is no routing between UDB banks within the UDB array, I think one has go through the DSI. I have not tested this though, just be advised the diagram may not be entirely correct.

22:36 <azonenberg_prnts> Hmm, interesting

22:47 <pointfree> I know that because of what the PLD PI tiles will take by way of their relationship with the HC bits. It may also explain mysteries about why some things are the way they are with the HC routing (HC tiles are abutting the PI tiles, fyi) HC bits connect horizontal lines to vertical interface lines and then PI tiles.

22:47 <pointfree> HC bytes are the columns of bits in FIG. 16 https://cdn.rawgit.com/wiki/azonenberg/openfpga/images/US08026739-20110927-D00016.png