00:07 <andrewrk> stratact: what kind of checking?

00:07 <andrewrk> I'm about to lose internet connectivity for about 6 hours. Back later

00:08 <stratact> I mean the reference checking

01:11 <MajorLag1> stratact, what precisely would separate zig from rust then?

01:15 <stratact> MajorLag1: well, it would be a language with a different syntax for different approaches to programming and thinking. Also the same could be said for what would separate zig from C if zig is not safe to begin with.

01:16 <stratact> I just think it's really crucial to have safety in this day and age.

01:19 <MajorLag1> quite a lot actually. C is very lose with its casting, has lots of undefined behavior, and the mess that are macros. Zig's saftey comes from built in debug checks, explicit syntax, better error checking, etc.

01:20 <MajorLag1> It rather like that it doesn't force a memory management paradigm on programers like rust does.

01:26 <stratact> I guess that's an approach I haven't thought of. So how does debug checking work?

01:34 <MajorLag1> The compiler does a lot of static checks, and then in debug mode (which is the default for builds) the compiler inserts a lot of checks for things like out-of-bounds array access, integer overflows, pointer alignment, etc. So a lot of bugs are caught in testing. Then you can compile a release-fast or release-small version without all the extra checks. Or you can compile release-safe and keep the checks but not the

01:34 <MajorLag1> even turn checking on and off at the scope level with @setRuntimeSafety.

01:35 <stratact> That sounds interesting

01:35 <MajorLag1> https://ziglang.org/documentation/master/#Undefined-Behavior

01:39 <MajorLag1> There's some more runtime checking we'd like to do around pointers and resource handling, so in that way zig is planning to add more safety: https://github.com/ziglang/zig/issues/782 for instance.

01:46 <stratact> MajorLag1: gotcha, thanks for sharing

02:07 <dbandstra> andrewrk: i think while docs should mention the `while (a) |b| : (c)` syntax (noticed this in std somewhere, but it's not documented)

02:09 <dbandstra> about the windows sdk thing, is the "Windows Kits" folder something installed by visual studio? if so then whatever, it's no big problem for me. i'm just booted into windows for other reasons and was hoping i could play with zig at the same time

02:10 <MajorLag1> IIRC Windows Kits is put down by the SDK install.

02:11 <dbandstra> SDK being...

02:11 <MajorLag1> like, the Windows 10 SDK

02:12 <dbandstra> sorry most of my knowledge of windows programming dates to like visual c++ 6

02:15 <dbandstra> i was looking at the implementation of os_find_windows_sdk https://github.com/ziglang/zig/blob/8e714289cac55fd6f793cf21cea5fa1930edb985/src/os.cpp#L1118

02:15 <dbandstra> i have the reg key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows Kits\Installed Roots\KitsRoot81 = C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.1\

02:15 <dbandstra> and i have this folder: C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.1\Lib\winv6.3 (contains a subfolder called "um")

02:15 <dbandstra> so i don't see how os_find_windows_sdk is not succeeding

02:21 <MajorLag1> yeah, that seems like it should work...

09:29 <GitHub56> [zig] Hejsil pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fbxKq

09:29 <GitHub56> zig/master 4f32b86 Jimmi HC: Allow allocation of any 0 sized type (not just void)

09:36 <GitHub175> [zig] Hejsil pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fbxKF

09:36 <GitHub175> zig/master 28821b5 Jimmi HC: Fixed last commit compiler error

11:48 <GitHub67> [zig] tiehuis pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fbxSd

11:48 <GitHub67> zig/master 1d18688 Marc Tiehuis: Do not normalize langref.html.in line endings...

12:25 <andi3> @MajorLag1 I understand the async examples now, went through them with a friend and figured it out, thanks for your help as well

15:53 <GitHub89> [zig] andrewrk pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fbpkH

15:53 <GitHub89> zig/master 8c39cdc Andrew Kelley: fix await on early return when return type is struct...

17:28 <GitHub76> [zig] isaachier opened pull request #1195: Fix crash on assertion for enum switch values (master...switch-enum-fix) https://git.io/fbpOR