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<ocdtr_web> Regarding previous chat on "whether Microsoft adds new standards/features to IE", this month includes support for the SameSite cookie.
<ocdtr_web> In other news, I might write a Windows service to check my TTRSS grain on Sandstorm, because I was reading a thing about making Windows services today.
<ocdtr_web> HOLY MOTHER OF PEARL, Google finally fixed the giant Chrome security hole I've been complaining about for years.
<ocdtr_web> I feel like I have to be nice to Google for the rest of the day now.
<crab> which bug is that?
<ocdtr_web> crab: Allowing websites to trigger Chrome extension installation prompts
<ocdtr_web> It's been the number one way to infect Windows PCs with malware, and I've been complaining about it for years.
<ocdtr_web> Google is finally shutting it down, completely by September.
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<TimMc> hmmm
<TimMc> Probably reasonable, although further down the path of "people can't be trusted to manage their own computers", which kinda sucks.
<TimMc> (but again, kinda reasonable, since that's more or less true...)
* Zarutian wants to point out that "reasonable" is a damn weasel word.
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<ocdtrekkie> TimMc: I completely disagree. It's further down the path of "random web servers can't be trusted to do crud to your own computers"
<ocdtrekkie> There's no change in your ability to install Chrome extensions, just a limitation on arbitrary web servers initiating installs of Chrome extensions.
<ocdtrekkie> Furthermore, there is no legitimate use/benefit to the feature: It was solely enabling malware. It doesn't even save you a click if you're a legitimate website.
<ocdtrekkie> The standard flow of installing a Chrome extension is that a website links you to the Web Store, and then you click Install on the Web Store to install the extension. So two clicks.
<ocdtrekkie> This antifeature, if used legitimately, would be triggered on a website via a click of some kind, because auto-triggering extension installs is inherently bad. And that initiates a UI-blocking prompt to install the extension from Chrome, which also requires a click. So it was still two clicks.
<ocdtrekkie> The only time this feature was useful was when you were a bad actor auto-launching this prompt to try and trick or force people into installing the extension.
<ocdtrekkie> Wekan 1.04 is an important security update. (If you share your Wekan boards with people.) You should update it, though the impact is significantly lessened on Sandstorm.
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<simpson> ocdtrekkie: It's interesting how many people I've talked to that think I'm weird for NoScript, and then I ask them, "So could I just send you 2KiB of code to run as your user?" they're not interested.
<ocdtrekkie> simpson: I have mad respect for people who survive with NoScript. But I am weak.
<ocdtrekkie> There is too much JavaScript out there I use.
<simpson> There's a lot of JS that I allow. NoScript's just a great tool for turning it all off by default. Turns out that I don't miss most of it.
<ocdtrekkie> I probably should try it sometime.
<ocdtrekkie> (As a note, on weird things browsers execute, I can't wait to watch WebUSB happen.)
<ocdtrekkie> Let's take a woefully insecure web platform, and let's connect it to your woefully insecure USB devices. Nothing could go wrong here.
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<ocdtrekkie> It just sounds so entertaining.
<ocdtrekkie> Probably my biggest concern with NoScript simpson is that it adds another thing I have to check for breakage. As it is, I use Privacy Badger and have Firefox Tracking Protection enabled. Both can break websites.
<ocdtrekkie> Presumably, the more ways I break the web for security reasons, the more effort it will take to figure out which combination of exceptions works with any given site.
<simpson> Ah, sure.