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<asheesh> TIL 'openssl asn1parse'
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<pdurbin> heh, definitely in my notes
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<zarvox> I've always used dumpasn1 for that, but TIL!
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<zarvox> dwrensha: any guess how a Sandstorm server might come to have a record in the users collection with a loginIdentities that contains an id that does not have a corresponding document in the users collection?
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<zarvox> I'm looking through the migrations and nothing obvious jumps out at me, but this seems to exist on both alpha and zero, and I found it rather surprising
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<dwrensha> what is "zero"?
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<zarvox> kenton's local dev instance
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<dwrensha> maybe at one point we didn't upgrade demo identities to be permanent?
<zarvox> did alpha previously have demo users enabled, though? I thought it was on demo.sandstorm.io, a separate instance.
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<dwrensha> zarvox: I seem to have such a user in my database too!
<dwrensha> "createdAt" : ISODate("2015-11-14T01:46:44.311Z")
<zarvox> is it also just an account, with a single loginIdentity, and no nonLoginIdentities?
<dwrensha> yeah
<dwrensha> it has a verifiedEmail
<dwrensha> err it has a "stashedOldUser" field
<zarvox> hmmm, the one we found on zero did not!
<zarvox> it was created March 31st this year, I believe
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<dwrensha> oh wait, false alarm on mine
<dwrensha> I have not located such a user in my database
<zarvox> Ahhh. 'k.
<zarvox> I'm currently stuck between "that should never happen; let's figure out why it happened and clean up the DBs" and "figure out how to appropriately pass on undefined everywhere we attempt to look up an identity by ID"
<dwrensha> zarvox: demo identities are the only ones that ever get deleted, I think
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<zarvox> that's my impression too
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<zarvox> how do demo identity IDs get generated? it looks like it should be sha256hex("demo:$DEMO_USER_ACCOUNT_ID") but that's not checking out locally
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<zarvox> also, kenton says alpha never had demo accounts enabled, but this problem triggers there too
<dwrensha> weird!
<zarvox> ( fwiw, the issue is in /admin-new/users , which shows no users and delivers a stacktrace to console.log )
<dwrensha> zarvox: yes, sha256hex("demo:$DEMO_USER_ACCOUNT_ID") is how demo ids are generated
<zarvox> (that bug is easily worked around, but I'm bothered by the DB inconsistency and trying to figure out how deep the rabbit hole goes, and if we can ever have sane invariants)
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<dwrensha> er, maybe not exactly
<dwrensha> more like sha256hex("demo:$ORIGINAL_DEMO_USER_USER_ID")
<dwrensha> and then the new ID overwrites the old one
<zarvox> and ORIGINAL_DEMO_USER_USER_ID is discarded into the ether, so I can probably never reconstruct that identity hash?
<dwrensha> right
<dwrensha> demo identities are created before demo accounts
<dwrensha> two-step login, etc.
<dwrensha> so the thing we throw away is just an ID that meteor proposed for the newly created user record.
<zarvox> *nod*
<zarvox> so we currently hypothesize that the only way the server gets into this state is through demo identities being deleted, but we forgot to attach "expires" to the account that owns said identity.
<zarvox> That seems to contradict alpha's current state and the assertion that alpha has never run demo accounts.
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<asheesh> Howdy, all.
* zarvox waves
<asheesh> This UTF8STRING thing was pretty fascinating.
<asheesh> Turns out that "valueTagClass" and "type" are not the same thing.
<asheesh> I do feel like I understand SNMP better now, though, as a side-effect.
<zarvox> SNMP? you mean ASN.1?
<zarvox> (or does SNMP also use ASN.1?)
<asheesh> Yeah, iirc SNMP is all about OIDs.
<zarvox> TIL!
<asheesh> : D
<asheesh> I am just sitting here giggling about ASN.1 for some reason.
<asheesh> I wish that our friend, the Protocol Captain, had suggested some alternate encoding scheme for all these things, back in the day.
<asheesh> Just kidding; I know that's not what Cap'n Proto stands for.
<frigginglorious> I am happy to announce there is slight progress on a 100% offline Sandstorm server for web app hackathon.
<asheesh> Nice, frigginglorious!
<asheesh> I was going to say, for your hackathon, you're going to *really* want to test vagrant-spk etc.
<asheesh> I definitely didn't build it with any kind of "offline-first" assumption.
<asheesh> But also, for Sandstorm itself, people do get really excited about using it as "the one server platform for a non-Internet-connected LAN in the woods" and so documenting that etc. would be HUGE.
<frigginglorious> asheesh: aw yeah? hell, i guess so
<frigginglorious> i kind of figured someoen would have a doc up for me to follow :P
<asheesh> You are the anchor of your own ascension.
<frigginglorious> im garbage at networking stuff, so im mucking with bind9 in ubuntu right now
<asheesh> dnsmasq might be easier, fwiw.
<frigginglorious> asheesh: yeah, this wildcard stuff is what i need!
<asheesh> There is also a hypothetical awesome hack you can do with MDNS if you want.
<asheesh> Namely, you can use something like https://github.com/hashicorp/mdns to write a mdns server that dynamically creates a wildcard record.
<asheesh> This is sort of in insane/awesome/unusual territory, so feel free to ignore it.
<asheesh> But basically, if you run a custom mDNS responder on a machine, it can listen for multicast DNS requests (e.g. foo.bar.local) and respond however it wants.
<asheesh> So then, you can write code that checks for "Is this mDNS request for *.bar.local?" and if so, respond with your own IP address.
<asheesh> This does assume all your clients have mDNS, and I'm under the impression that on Windows, mDNS is not universal.
<frigginglorious> asheesh: oh, mDNS runs on the client. that makes sense. That… isnt ideal.
<asheesh> mDNS queries are issued by the client, but they are responded-to from anywhere in the network.
<asheesh> So you would run your custom mDNSd on the Sandstorm server, and so you'd only need the custom mDNSd in the one place.
<asheesh> What's not ideal about this? (-:
<frigginglorious> oh! neat. But a windows client would have trouble connecting to it?
<asheesh> It *seems* you still have to install Apple's mDNS integration for Windows.
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<asheesh> So all I can say is: "You should test it" but now you have all the links that I've found that are useful, I think.
<asheesh> https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=199907 "Build 10162 of Windows 10. Win10 now has native support for mDNS but it has limitations"
<asheesh> Looks like Win 10's support basically works.
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