<datakid> in the meantime, I'm happy to know that it's easier to do it locally and the upload
<datakid> cheers
<datakid> to you both
<zarvox> cheers!
<paulproteus> Ciao datakid! Stay in touch. Melbourne is cool; it's one of the only cities in Australia I've been to.
<datakid> paulproteus, it's one of the best - each has their own charm
<datakid> but Melbourne has the culture :)
<datakid> paulproteus, sandstorm requires VB 4.x?
<paulproteus> VirtualBox 4.x or 5.x. I typically use 5.x because it's newer and I like new things.
<paulproteus> But I also sometimes use 4.x.
<datakid> I feel like I had problems with 5.x yesterday
<datakid> I'll try again locally
<paulproteus> Yeah -- locally is what I'd recommend.
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<datakid> hmmm. Locally, when I run "vagrant up" from within /path/to/php-app-to-package-for-sandstorm I'm getting a fail
<datakid> the lemp command was successful, now I'm getting "A Vagrant environment or target machine is required to run this command...."
<datakid> even though the .sandstorm folder exists
<datakid> in /path/to/php-app-to-package-for-sandstorm
<paulproteus> datakid: vagrant-spk up
<paulproteus> not vagrant up
<paulproteus> Very similar but just bareful not the same.
<paulproteus> Sometimes I wish we named them something more different from each other.
<datakid> paulproteus, ergh, that's embarrassing - sorry
<paulproteus> I do it about 25% of the time and I co-wrote the tool.
<paulproteus> So feel free to be embarrassed, but do know your mistake is common.
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<datakid> paulproteus, I got these errors on "vagrant-spk up" - they look innocuous enough, presuming they are refering to the VM rather than my host system? http://dpaste.com/2SCD679
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<paulproteus> Yup
<paulproteus> We should probably silence that noise.
<paulproteus> Would you be willing to file a vagrant-spk bug? github.com/sandstorm-io/vagrant-spk/issues
<paulproteus> They're just warnings, not errors, fwiw.
<paulproteus> And they're not warning you about anything you need to fix. The status quo there is fine.
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<datakid> paulproteus, sure, will do now.
<paulproteus> Sweet, thank you.
<datakid> also, when I go to the next step in the HowTo: "go to local.sandstorm.io:6080" I do, it tells me I have no users and I should "sandstorm admin-token" but then I get "sandstorm: command not found"
<paulproteus> Oh, I see.
<paulproteus> Yeah, what you really need to do is to click in the top-right on "Sign in"
<paulproteus> then click "With dev account" and log in with any of the options provided to you.
<paulproteus> You should file a Sandstorm bug about that: github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/issues since (IMHO) it's a UI bug that it tells you to do that when Dev Accounts are enabled (as they are)
<paulproteus> Or you could tell me to file a bug instead.
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<datakid> paulproteus, does vagrant-spk up log to anywhere?
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<paulproteus> Yes -- there's a little computer monitor icon somewhere in the Sandstorm UI and if you click it, you get logs.
<datakid> ah, ok - I've just logged in as dev and yes, I see that it works
<paulproteus> Great.
<paulproteus> I guess we could print a note about that when 'vagrant-spk dev' happens.
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<datakid> ok, two issues logged
<datakid> although I now see the "login as dev" in the instructions - did I miss those the first time around?
<datakid> hmmm, vagrant-spk dev makes my app available in the dashboard, but when I launch one, I get Unicode
<datakid> it's an app that requires a db (mysql for preference I believe) - is that an issue?
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<paulproteus> hi datakid, oh my
<datakid> paulproteus, http://dpaste.com/1GSWCG5
<paulproteus> I thought I fixed that re: Unicode gobbledygook.
<paulproteus> You do need to do something to give the app a working config file.
<paulproteus> Per the last line.
<datakid> paulproteus, right. So that will require a db name and db login/pw etc
<paulproteus> I see!
<datakid> how do those dbs get created on the fly?
<paulproteus> You create them as part of your "launcher.sh" script, typically.
<datakid> ah, ok. I've not got to that part yet.
<paulproteus> Hmm
<paulproteus> You would need something like that to create your database.
<datakid> ah!
<paulproteus> I, sadly, have to head out, but I extremely encourage you to email community@sandstorm.io with any further questions.
<datakid> ok, thanks. So this should be relatively simple for something like wordpress/mediawiki
<paulproteus> Yeah and https://github.com/jparyani/mediawiki-sandstorm uses vagrant-spk so you can get a sense of that.
<datakid> what about a more complex system with plugins/modules, a la Django/RoR?
<datakid> paulproteus, no problems, thanks for all your help, fantastic
<paulproteus> Although the MediaWiki thing uses SQlite3 I think not MySQL.
<paulproteus> re: more complex: Users can't upload new plugins, but if the admin is willing to repackage things, shouldn't be crazy hard at all.
<paulproteus> (Packages _can_ be made where users can upload new plugins but you have to take care to upload them to /var.)
<paulproteus> Wandering off for for now but I hope you do stay in touch!
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<dwrensha> eek, apparently I broke the Who Has Access view too: https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/pull/893
<dwrensha> paulproteus: I think I can add a test for this ^, but I first need to figure out how to stash a dev user's name and re-login as them (in nightwatch)
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<paulproteus> Fascinating.
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<dwrensha> Ok, I think I've got it figured out. Writing the actual test now.
<ocdtrekkie> So, Google has a new PR piece about how all 2 billion lines of their web code lives in a single repository. Proudly, like that's a good thing.
<ocdtrekkie> I stand confused: Why would anyone want that?
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<chris_severs> ocdtrekkie: there are a few other high profile places with a monorepo as well and I'm curious what they know that I don't
<ocdtrekkie> I mean, there's better ways to package dependencies and share code.
<ocdtrekkie> I feel like giant repos come from deciding it's easier when they're small, and later it just being too much work to move away from it?
<ocdtrekkie> It feels like a weird thing to have a Wired author write a PR piece about.
<dwrensha> Sounds to me like a standard journalistic angle: "You thought X was true? Here's some intriguing evidence for Y."
<dwrensha> where X is "all the cool kids use distributed version control"
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<zarvox> kentonv: the COWL spec we mentioned at lunch today: http://cowl.ws/spec.html
<paulproteus> i,i I don't know what is up with all these Bay Area computer science security people actually working on things people would actually use
<paulproteus> seems very weird for academics
<paulproteus> (Actually I think it's pretty seriously amazing.)
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<larjona> Good evening TZAG everybody. I'm hosting a sandstorm instance at home (lacaja.larjona.net) and I like using Etherpad there (thanks sandstorm devs and etherpad packagers!). I create a pad, then go to "Share" and get a shareable link, and send to a friend. If the day after I want to send that link to another friend, I cannot find the URL in my sandstorm, if I didn't copy the shareable link URL in some other place, the only solution is to
<larjona> create another shareable link. Is this correct?
<larjona> I can see "who has access" (the label that I wrote when I create the first shareable link) but not the URL itself.
<dwrensha> larjona: correct. The server doesn't actually store the link.
<larjona> ok, fine
<paulproteus> dwrensha: How's that "Asheesh Button" coming along? (-;
<paulproteus> Which is to say -- larjona I have wondered about this too, and we plan to make it easy to generate a new (logically equivalent) sharing link as an old one that you created.
<paulproteus> It'll have a different URL, as I understand it, but it'll be the same link in the sense that it won't create a new thing you can revoke; it'll be the same as an old thing you can revoke.
<paulproteus> I hope that makes sense. Basically you'll be able to get the old sharing link back but it'll have a different URL every time you do it.
<paulproteus> And BTW thanks for asking larjona and nice to e-see you.
<paulproteus> jparyani: For lulz check out https://github.com/sandstorm-io/sandstorm/pull/890/files -- not ready for review at all, but yes it seems to actually work. I have cleanup to do.
<paulproteus> Others may too!
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<paulproteus> I think I have figured out my design for adding HTTPS to Sandstorm will break web publishing.
<paulproteus> jparyani and/or kentonv , let's chat about that sometime when you have a sec. Not second-by-second urgent, but something to figure out in the next 0-3 days probably.
<paulproteus> Luckily there's more code to write that's almost definitely needed.
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<larjona> thanks for the info paulproteus. Nice to e-see you too. Good night now:)
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<paulproteus> I am wrong! jparyani cleared me up. Yay + thanks.