drbrain changed the topic of #rubygems to: RubyGems 2.0.4: http://bit.ly/rubygems-2-0-4 – Latest status: http://twitter.com/rubygems_status and http://status.rubygems.org
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<tritech> hello i'm a newbie anyone here good with cucumber gem?
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<drbrain> tritech: try #ruby-lang, this place is for help with rubygems itself.
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<drbrain> qrush_: can you add me to gauge.es for blog.rubygems.org?
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<mpapis> drbrain, whom can I ask about sources for http://guides.rubygems.org/c-extensions/#load_the_extension ?
<drbrain> mpapis: you mean https://github.com/rubygems/guides ?
<mpapis> i thik yes, thanks
<mpapis> *think
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<akahn> is there a way to install a gem from a specific source? if I install a gem with -a http://mysource.com, but a gem of the same name is found on rubygems (the first source), the gem from rubygems is installed rather than the source I specify
<drbrain> gem install --clear-sources --source http://mysource.com
<drbrain> sources are ordered, so you can add rubygems.org as fallback with a second --source
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<akahn> drbrain: thanks
<akahn> drbrain: do you think having a feature where I can specify at install-time a specific gem host would make sense?
<drbrain> what do you mean?
<drbrain> … I need more detail
<akahn> my gem sources list rubygems first, followed by my own gem server. I want to install a gem that is on my gem server, but since there is another gem with the same name on rubygems, that one is installed, even if I specify -a.
<drbrain> you can use `gem sources` to set your preferred servers
<drbrain> gem sources -a your_server; gem sources -r https://rubygems.org; gem sources -a https://rubygems.org
<drbrain> (I think)
<drbrain> or you can edit ~/.gemrc
<akahn> right, I get that there is a way to achieve what I want. but it's inconvenient to do that across all our servers, just to so "install this gem from here instead of from there"
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<mpapis> is there any chance rubygems could reconsider binaries hooks?
<drbrain> akahn: I'd use chef to deploy /etc/gemrc files across your servers
<drbrain> mpapis: this hook runs when?
<mpapis> when gem executable is ran
<mpapis> I have almost 2kk downloads for http://rubygems.org/gems/rubygems-bundler - which the code is based on
<drbrain> mpapis: I don't recall anyone asking for that
<drbrain> what would you use it for?
<mpapis> basically http://rubygems.org/gems/rubygems-bundler - loading bundler when in context of Gemfile
<mpapis> it's installed by default with rvm, I got users from rbenv and chruby author likes it too
<drbrain> why does `gem` need to know it is in the context of a Gemfile?
<drbrain> am I missing something?
<mpapis> to avoid manual "bundle exec"
<drbrain> I guess you mean gem binstubs
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<mpapis> most likely ;) I suck at terminology
<drbrain> since we're slowly merging bundler and rubygems, I wonder how long the hook would be useful
<mpapis> the problem it's slowly, last I asked over a year ago it was so close
<drbrain> yes
<drbrain> rubygems 2.1 will be the biggest step, though
<drbrain> which should be out next week
<mpapis> is there any roadmap or changes view?
<drbrain> not particularly
<drbrain> indirect is working on a new index format
<drbrain> rubygems 2.1 will have a bundler-like resolver
<mpapis> most important when is it planned to allow loading proper version of gem executable in context of the Gemfile, will it make it to 2.1?
<drbrain> so after 2.1 we'll need to import features from `bundler`
<drbrain> I think that already exists via RUBYGEMS_GEMDEPS, except for Gemfile with git:// sources
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<drbrain> we'll need to write a plugin for git:// sources
<mpapis> so does the 2.1 integrate bundler or it's planned more for 2.2?
<drbrain> there's no plan to incorporate any code from bundler
<drbrain> just reimplement features
<mpapis> then will it make to 2.1 or 2.2 / later ?
<indirect> mpapis: I don't think rubygems is ever going to support what you are asking for
<drbrain> indirect: I think RUBYGEMS_GEMDEPS is supposed to handle the `bundle exec`-like case, but only evan knows
<indirect> haha okay
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<indirect> as far as I am aware, there aren't any plans to make rubygems executables check for a bundle and load it if it's present before they run
<indirect> mpapis: and the problem with rubygems-bundler is that it completely breaks gems that aren't in the gemfile
<mpapis> indirect, "export RUBYGEMS_GEMDEPS=-" does the thing I need, but it is not used as long as bundler is in use
<mpapis> indirect, not true - show me the case it does, has to be bug, it's fixable
<indirect> how is it a bug? it's the entire point of the thing
<mpapis> indirect, rubygems-bundler does not break things - there are few cases you might want to disable it, but for most users - it really does the thing
<mpapis> drbrain, I guess I can form my question: when users can stop using bundler -- my gem and all the code will be useless then
<indirect> mpapis: when rubygems-bundler is installed, this does not work: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7446f6228f9811bb1e27
<drbrain> mpapis: I guess, also, is a post-install hook or plugin that changes Gem::Installer not acceptable?
<indirect> mpapis: rubygems is never going to support git gems in Gemfiles, so I'm pretty sure the answer is "only after they decide they don't care about git or path gems"
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<mpapis> indirect, can you show me how it does not work - last I checked it worked
<indirect> mpapis: last time I tried it there was an activation error because gist wasn't in the gemfile. did you change that?
<mpapis> drbrain, that was required only to do the executable
<mpapis> executables_hooks
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<mpapis> indirect, I tired it multiple times since you mentioned to me long time ago
<indirect> mpapis: so you've never reproduced it?
<mpapis> indirect, I do not remember right now, but I know there was such bug in pre 0.9 version, the current one is 1.3.0.rc1 -- over two years later I think
<mpapis> indirect, since then a lot of things was changed like for example I have extracted unloading bundler => https://github.com/mpapis/bundler-unload/blob/master/lib/bundler-unload.rb
<mpapis> and hooking into gem executables => https://github.com/mpapis/executable-hooks
<mpapis> which is a lot easier to understand what happens there ... still a bit messy, but I'm not that good in formatting ruby
<mpapis> drbrain, so my question: when users can stop using bundler -- my gem and all the code will be useless then, if it takes over a year - I can open a PR for executable hooks in an hour so you could review it shortly
<drbrain> mpapis: I'm unsure if I would allow it if an install-time plugin can be used to create the same effect
<drbrain> loading the plugin would require scanning all installed gems when rubygems loads
<mpapis> drbrain, I need to use number of tricks including extension which is so nasty hack, having it in rubygems would simplify it drastically