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<yfeldblum>
on modern rubygems (1.8.25 or 2.0.3), even on older rubies (1.8.7), is Gem.clear_paths still required after installing a gem from a ruby script and before requiring it from that same ruby script?
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<nmeum>
If I compile ruby 2.0.0-p0 from source is it shipped with rubygems by default? If this is the case can I manually install ruby without rubygems?
<swills>
yes
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<swills>
it comes with rubygems
<nmeum>
so how do I install ruby without it?
<swills>
it is possible to change some things to make it not install gems
<nmeum>
ok
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<drbrain>
mpapis: can you say something like "including this commit in the next patch level will help me diagnose rvm install issues"
<mpapis>
oh it will ?
<drbrain>
mpapis: it fixes `ruby setup.rb --verbose`
<mpapis>
:)
<mpapis>
oh then I will ask for it
<drbrain>
thanks!
<mpapis>
but I need to add --verbose too ;)
<drbrain>
mpapis: I thought I saw a log with it (but broken) shortly after 2.0.0 was released
<mpapis>
or it will help for -d ?
<drbrain>
it won't help for -d
<mpapis>
I will try with --verbose
<drbrain>
mpapis: you should see something like .../fileutils.rb:898:in `compare_stream': undefined method `fu_stream_blksize' for main:Object (NoMethodError)
<mpapis>
drbrain / raggi so https://github.com/rubygems/rubygems/issues/516 will be fixed in rubygems ? then I will close the RVM ticket as I try to avoid fixing it if it will be fixed shortly
<drbrain>
mpapis: when installing rubygems, do you do more than `ruby setup.rb [arguments]` ?
<evan>
drbrain: HI!
<drbrain>
it seems that RubyGems was installed
<drbrain>
evan: HI!
<evan>
drbrain: I think the ecpoint issue is solved
<drbrain>
evan: awesome, I also saw the user closed their bug
<evan>
I removed ECDH from the cipher list
<evan>
so that client don't try EC of any kind
<drbrain>
^5
<evan>
the old setup used an old openssl version
<evan>
that didn't support EC
<drbrain>
mpapis: so I'm wondering if the first command was something different
<mpapis>
drbrain, cd /path/to/rubygems/src/ ; GEM_PATH="$GEM_PATH:${GEM_PATH%%@*}@global" GEM_HOME="$GEM_HOME" /path/to/ruby -d /path/to/rubygems/src/setup.rb
<drbrain>
hrm
<drbrain>
ok, I will investigate
<mpapis>
actually GEM_PATH looks a bit stupid - but will work as expected
<drbrain>
I was wondering if the existing rubygems was invoked somehow
<mpapis>
RVM tries to remoe it first
<mpapis>
*remove
<drbrain>
does it use `gem` to determine what to remove?
<drbrain>
so that wouldn't be the source of the "ERROR: "
<mpapis>
detection?
<drbrain>
mpapis: since "ERROR:" appears above "RubyGems 2.0.3 installed" I was wondering if maybe `gem env` was used to figure out where an old rubygems might exist
<mpapis>
no "gem env" in rubygems code
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<mpapis>
in rvm ;)
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<mpapis>
drbrain, a side question, would it be possible to separate rubygems from ruby and use RUBYLIB for loading it from different paths ? I got users asking for that in rvm
<drbrain>
mpapis: it's possible, but I'm not sure how flexible setup.rb is
<drbrain>
I think it only has --prefix
<drbrain>
it might understand --bindir
<mpapis>
I can work an fix if it is not available
<drbrain>
--prefix can be used to install multiple copies of RubyGems
<drbrain>
but it duplicates bin/ lib/ etc.
<mpapis>
I want to think about it after rvm 2.0.0 ... so still some time, maybe on summer ;)
<drbrain>
it should be mostly easy, I think most of the pieces you need exist
<drbrain>
unfortunately SetupCommand is not well tested
<drbrain>
it is, however, easy to add tests now
<mpapis>
I need to implement rvm2 first ;) then I will add it and maybe add some test for RG ;)
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<rhinux>
no, no HTTP code, directly "connection reset after 1 requests, retrying" or "timed out"
<drbrain>
can you show the whole output from $ gem update […] to the next prompt?
<rhinux>
this is the whole output, for every combination of httpS://(production.s3.)amazon.com returns "connection reset" or "time out" without HTTP code
<drbrain>
I can't help without full output like this: