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<apeiros_> I'm fine
<kl__> cool, just wanted to make sure
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<kl__> let me know if you need a shoulder to lean on
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<apeiros_> oh, that shoulder already lies on my side, thank you.
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<apeiros_> to my side?
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<apeiros_> english, so close to german, yet sometimes so different.
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<shevy> when I use require, I can not re-load a file again right?
<Rylee> shevy: correct
<shevy> but can I require first, and at runtime use load() to load a new variant of the same file?
<Rylee> yes
<shevy> cool thanks
<Rylee> one of my IRC bots does that for runtime reloading
<Rylee> of modules and such
<shevy> yeah, I need a similar functionality too
<Rylee> uptime \o/
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<kl__> Rylee: does that clear out constants that were previously defined (but not anymore) in the required file?
<kl__> I'd guess not - sounds like potential for quite some pollution over time
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<Rylee> kl__: almost certainly not, but I have never tested that.
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<Rylee> kl__: because it would be just like monkey patching an established class (actually, exactly like that)
<Rylee> which does not remove constants
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<Rylee> which is why I can only recommend that approach while developing, really.
<Rylee> the correct way to upgrade an application in-flight would be to have at least two machines in an application pool behind a load balancer, bring one offline and upgrade it, then switch it over to the primary and bring the other offline and upgrade it, or something. AWS CodeDeploy handles stuff like that pretty well.
<kl__> blue-green that mofo
<skinux> Okay. Just finished the Ruby course at CodeAcademy.
<Rylee> kl__: indeed!
<kl__> skinux: congrats! You are on a good path.
<Rylee> indeed^!
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<Rylee> do you have any projects moving forward?
<skinux> Are you asking me?
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<kl__> skinux: if he's not (he is), I will
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<skinux> No project yet. I just wanted to learn Ruby.
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<shevy> \o/
<shevy> ruby is easy when you start to think in objects
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<apeiros_> load does not unload previously evaluated code. so no, constants etc. are not cleared out.
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<shevy> will they be overwritten?
<kl__> no
<shevy> like I have test.rb; I require it; inside it is FOO = 5; when I load the file, FOO = 6 before I load it
<apeiros_> it's the same as always when you run code
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<ellisTAA> is there a computer science or programming IRC channel?
<apeiros_> yes, that'll be reassigned and you'll get a warning
<apeiros_> just as if you'd have that in two different files and require those
<shevy> ellisTAA yes, we program here! and we also idle and drink beer
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<ellisTAA> shevy: i dont want to ask questions like “what makes something a programming language” here since it isn’t about ruby. where could i ask that?
<banister> ellisTAA google probably
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<ellisTAA> yeah but if i want to ask ppl is there an irc channell
<shevy> #ruby
<skinux> How long should "gem install rails" take to print something to screen?
<shevy> :>
<shevy> skinux 5 minutes!
<skinux> Seriously?
<longfeet> yes
<shevy> skinux dunno, how long have you been trying it? sometimes it hangs up
<skinux> There it goes. Took about a minute or two
<longfeet> i installed rails inside a vm running on a machine from 2002
<longfeet> took a few hours
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<weaksauce> ellisTAA what are you trying to learn?
<weaksauce> there's #programming I think but the people in there are going to be rude to you because it's not for beginners.
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<ellisTAA> oh … booo! i’m just trying to learn how to program
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<kl__> beginners are virtually all i find in there
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<weaksauce> are they? maybe I have it confused with another channel
<kl__> well, "intermediate" - who are probably worse than beginners to talk to about program
<weaksauce> http://www.codecademy.com/ ellisTAA would be great
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<ellisTAA> thanks. i wish there was a test to take to see how much i know
<ellisTAA> is there one?
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<weaksauce> getting a job somewhere
<ellisTAA> lol
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<kl__> yeah, I kind of don't know where I stand, skillswise
<kl__> I just aim to move around a lot, and come out best everywhere I go
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<kl__> If I go to a few places and do that, I'm probably not *that* bad
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<ellisTAA> hmm yeah i would like to have goals and a list of crap i can check off
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<blizzy> so, I have many commands for this project. what would be the best way to handle this
<blizzy> put all the commands in one file?
<weaksauce> what do you mean blizzy? rake tasks are useful
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<blizzy> um, I have many methods, let's call them plugins
<blizzy> atm, I'm putting all the plugins in one file
<blizzy> is there a better way to do this?
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<blizzy> don't submit pull requests, it's a personal project just for backup. c:
<weaksauce> heh. no worries.
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<blizzy> so yeah, is there a better way other than putting all the plugins in one file?
<blizzy> they're not really plugins if they're in one file
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<weaksauce> blizzy if !can('reload', user) then return '' end would read better like return "" unless can('reload', user)
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<blizzy> thanks, weaksauce
<weaksauce> and since you are passing user in all over the place it would suggest that you should add this to the user class
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<weaksauce> that's just one example of the preferred way to do a guard clause
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<weaksauce> seems like most of your methods do something like that
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<blizzy> so I would define a method named self.can
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<weaksauce> no. you would define a method can in the user class
<weaksauce> self.can is a class method
<weaksauce> and has no idea about state
<blizzy> so I would make a new class named User?
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<blizzy> think you could gist an example?
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<zanzibizarre> Well aren't you a gem!
<lampd1> lol
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<lampd1> can you guys just do it for me plz, kthx
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<zanzibizarre> lawl
<blizzy> lampd1, what?
<lampd1> blizzy: check out pry
<lampd1> and learn a bit more about state :)
<blizzy> I wasn't asking for him to do it for me.
<blizzy> >.> I was only asking for an example.
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<sevenseacat> class User; end
<sevenseacat> :D
<blizzy> couldn't I just declare the class inside the Commands class
<zanzibizarre> Everyone do my work for me
<zanzibizarre> k thx
<blizzy> geez I was onl asking a fucking question.
<lampd1> zanzibizarre: only if it's prototypejs
<blizzy> *only
<kl__> blizzy dont u ever do that again bro
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<lampd1> :D
<blizzy> kl__, IDK how asking for an example is saying 'do it all for me'
<blizzy> I guess examples aren't allowed
<kl__> blizzy: it's not, you're being reasonable and others aren't
<weaksauce> class User; def can(x); return true if self.something == "something_else"; end; end;
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<blizzy> kl__, I can sense the sarcasm a mile away
<blizzy> thank you, weaksauce
<blizzy> that's all I was asking
<lampd1> k1__ if he doesn't have an understanding of state how is a gist going to help him?
<kl__> blizzy: actually that's a shame, I didn't intend it that way
<kl__> totally see how you'd read it like that
<weaksauce> lampd1 we were all there at one point have a little heart
<lampd1> i told him to check out pry
<lampd1> and explore state
<blizzy> seems like everyone is jumping on me for asking for an example.
<kl__> lampd1: we all learn in different ways, some through tinkering, some through creating from scratch
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<blizzy> >.> shows that ruby elitist.
<lampd1> lol im a noob
<weaksauce> blizzy there is no such thing.
<weaksauce> there are dicks and there are nice people
<blizzy> true.
<blizzy> sorry everyone, though I'm not sorry for asking for an example. >.>
<weaksauce> blizzy you were fine
<zanzibizarre> sometimes you gotta get examples because you dont understand
<zanzibizarre> thats normal
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<lampd1> blizzy: take a look @ pry https://github.com/pry/pry
<weaksauce> blizzy how is this thing used?
<lampd1> it will let you set breakpoints and navigate around state with regular unix filesystem navigation commands
<lampd1> so you can see what methods are available where
<weaksauce> btw. your commands.rb file is not a class; it's a module
<blizzy> thanks, lampd1 and weaksauce, on something named Pokemon Showdown
<blizzy> well idk if using a module would be the better route
<weaksauce> no i mean it IS a module right now
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<blizzy> so would I be better off using a class or a module
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<weaksauce> really depends on how it's used by this showdown thing
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<lampd1> has a chart to break it down too
* lampd1 bookmarks
<blizzy> thank you very much, lampd1.
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<zanzibizarre> rofl
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<zanzibizarre> why is my man junk so big today?
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<ellisTAA> anyone have a favorite book on software engineering??
<sevenseacat> probably code complete
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<Prometheian> Is there a rails irc? #rails seems to be MIA
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<weaksauce> rubyonrails
<havenwood> Prometheian: #rubyonrails
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<Prometheian> ty!
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<ellisTAA> is developing a website considered software engineering?
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<weaksauce> ellisTAA it can be
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<lampd1> it depends on how you make it
<skinux> Has there been any generic blogging/cms software built using Rails?
<lampd1> yeah
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<lampd1> alchemy comes to mind, never used it tho
<skinux> Anything as good as WordPress (speaking in terms of features, not code)?
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<lampd1> rails for zombies also walks you through how to start building your own cms iirc
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<lampd1> wordpress is procedural, and a bunch of the "features" / plugins are pretty much the equivalent of security concerns
<zanzibizarre> WordPress is the best
<lampd1> lolz
<lampd1> #deathtowordpress
<zanzibizarre> if you want true webscale
<zanzibizarre> you use WordPress
<lampd1> your trolling line is pretty obvious there, not sure anyone is going to bite
<skinux> Who is it that you're calling a troll?
<lampd1> besides, everyone knows drupal is the #1 cms
<zanzibizarre> I like the idea of #1 cms
<skinux> To be honest, if Drupal is #1, why are so many sites built using WordPress?
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<zanzibizarre> WP is webscale
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<lampd1> skinux: wordpress sites comprise the vast majority of the web, because a vast majority of the web hasn't the first clue about anything web
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<zanzibizarre> Yeah man. Checkers sells more than Chess
<zanzibizarre> Duh
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<zanzibizarre> Girl Powa!
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<blizzy> I have a variable named 'foo'
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<blizzy> how would I make a prototype for that variable?
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<sevenseacat> eh?
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<blizzy> like
<blizzy> foo.can(bar)
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<blizzy> do you know Javascript.
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<sevenseacat> yep
<blizzy> you know how in Javascript, you can have prototypes?
<blizzy> I'm trying to make something like this: foo.strip
<sevenseacat> what is foo
<blizzy> I'm trying to make my own version of strip
<blizzy> it's just a string.
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<sevenseacat> so you want to monkey-patch string?
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<blizzy> nevermind.
<sevenseacat> k
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<blizzy> ok, let me try this again
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<blizzy> instead of typing "foo(user, bar)", I want to be able to type "user.foo(bar)"
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<vandemar> blizzy: you want to add a method to user.class
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<blizzy> vandemar, ok so I do that. let's say I wanted a method named user.length_of
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<blizzy> to get the length of user, how would I achieve that. would I use this.length?
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<jhass> blizzy: this -> self and it's implicit, just leave it off
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<jhass> did you write a class in Ruby before?
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<blizzy> nvm I figured it out. thanks, jhass.
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<dnewkerk> Is there a better way to write this bit of Ruby to not have the redundant key == ‘xyz’?… attributes.all? { |key, value| key == '_destroy' || key == 'position' || value.blank? }
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<jhass> dnewkerk: for two I wouldn't do it, but the idiom for that is %w[_destroy position].include?(key)
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<dnewkerk> jhass: cool thanks… yeah I agree, for 2 it’s overkill. I’ve run into other cases where there were more and was never sure how to handle it
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<ellisTAA_> what is the title of someone who is the equivalent of a ceo for software engineering?
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<havenn> ellisTAA_: CTO typically
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<ellisTAA> havenn: ty
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<blizzy> anyway to map methods to hashes?
<blizzy> like "foo = {'bar' => foobar()}
<blizzy> "
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<ellisTAA> i want to find out all the talks that have been given at ruby conf over the years. anyone know how i could go about getting that info?
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<havenwood> ellisTAA: You can watch them on Confreaks: http://www.confreaks.com/events/RubyConf2014
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<ellisTAA> havenwood: ty
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<havenwood> They have back to '07.
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<nettus> Asked about fastest ruby implementation/runtime (for ruby sass) some time ago.
<nettus> (Yes, there is libsass, but features are missing which I still need).
<nettus> OK, so mruby seems also to be an option, lightweight option.
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<ellisTAA> as someone who doesn’t have any experience with other programming languages, how does ruby’s culture differ from other programming language cultures?
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<havenwood> ellisTAA: We have a lot more foxes and chunky bacon than most languages. Matz is nice so we are nice. There's an informality and playfulness that stands out. The core team is mostly Japanese.
<havenwood> ellisTAA: It's a friendly community.
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<sevenseacat> this is true.
<sevenseacat> thats an awesome photo of tenderlove.
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<ellisTAA> havenwood: ty
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<epitron> havenwood: lolol
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<ekem> ok finally getting back to this ruby building process, if i have libs id like to use that require compiling outside of the package manager, where the heck should i place those? or how do i link to those suckers
<ekem> dis be the error http://pastebin.com/2L6N5RTU
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<blizzy> so, python has __str__ in classes to return a certain message. like, instead of returning <Hello:0x2606fb8 @name="foo">, it'll return something more readable.
<blizzy> is there one in ruby?
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<ekem> pretty cool slash_nick
<ekem> at full screen the image tiles though
<mozzarella> wtf does it do
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<pontiki> that shit is awesome, slash_nick
<mozzarella> it's just a picture
<ekem> there is a sin function in there for pixel values as well
<ekem> for the sun moving across the earth
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<mozzarella> I think the website is not working as intended on firefox…
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<slash_nick> mozzarella: thanks for the feedback... it's not just a picture, it'll seemlessly transition each minute
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<slash_nick> ekem: which tiles? I let it tile in the x direction for the one with the Mercator projection of earth (WhatEarthIsIt)...
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<slash_nick> ekem: oh, they all do at fullscreen, nice, thanks!
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<slash_nick> ekem: regarding the sine function, actually USNO's data services handle the image generation... these sites simply do some z-index shuffling to update background images without you noticing how slow USNO's data services are :)
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<ekem> slash_nick: yeah i was taking a look at the JS and noticed that
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<ekem> fix that tile at full screen and it willbe complete!
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<slash_nick> ekem: it's fun fixing them all at once: https://gist.github.com/rthbound/5da9ebe4f31bb61fd602
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<alex86> Hey, I am making a rails project and I want to make some methods that use multiple models, so I'm just wondering if there is some way of deciding which model class they should be part of
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<alex86> otherwise I guess I'll just choose one of the models randomly
<havenwood> alex86: You'll probably have better luck with Rails questions in the #RubyOnRails channel.
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<alex86> well apparently I need to be 'identified with services' so whatever I'll just use a random model
<sevenseacat> indeed, we dont like the anonymous spammers that tend to hang around open channels
<sevenseacat> seems like a good attitude to have, cant be bothered registering, will just make up some code :P
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<sevenseacat> how odd.
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<arup_r> alex86: Hi
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<robclancy> is there a shorter way to do this? http://kopy.io/ZAjc8
<robclancy> this is with active record so it probably already has a method to do that?
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<havenwood> robclancy: hem, the kopy.io link isn't loading for me
<havenwood> oh, maybe it just doesn't work with Chrome
<robclancy> it should, I know the guy who maintains it, must be issues
<robclancy> gisting it
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<robclancy> Post.all.each *
<robclancy> thought just each worked
<robclancy> oh find_each
<robclancy> but anyway, question is still the same
<havenwood> robclancy: posts = Post.all.map(&:id)
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<robclancy> thanks
<havenwood> robclancy: oh, no you want a Hash so..
<havenwood> Post.all.map { |post| [post.id, post] }.to_h
<robclancy> thanks
<robclancy> the to_h takes [[key, val], [key, val]] into a hash right?
<havenwood> ya
<robclancy> cheers
<havenwood> robclancy: You might want to ask in #RubyOnRails in case there's a fancy ActiveRecord trick, dunno.
<robclancy> that will do, it's just for a script not for somethign that is to be maintained for a long time
<robclancy> just knew there would be a one liner
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<atmosx> anyone around?
<atmosx> shevy: u here?
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<apeiros_> none of the 800+ users is here
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<atmosx> shit I'm stuck with u?
<sevenseacat> nope. all sleeping.
<atmosx> oh okay now I feel more comfortable
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* sevenseacat is afk watching tennis
<atmosx> ..
<atmosx> lol
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<atmosx> shevy: msg plz when you get back I need some help with recursion
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<sevenseacat> and only shevy knows the true secrets of how it works?
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<atmosx> sevenseacat: no you do too. Shevy is patient, the other guys are not so much and I'm having really hard time with this. I'm missing something but I can't tell exactly what.
<atmosx> brb
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<Perceptes> <-- very patient
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<atmosx> aloha again
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<shevy> sevenseacat do you doubt my wisdom?
<sevenseacat> never.
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<shevy> you are a nice cat after all
<shevy> atmosx I don't really know the first thing about recursion... let's ask apeiros :-)
<atmosx> shevy: nah he is not polite with newbies
<shevy> or apeiros_ ... too many apeiroses
<shevy> haha
<shevy> he just is the grumpy old grandpa on IRC
<atmosx> I know
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<apeiros_> get off my lawn, kids!
<atmosx> shevy: it's that I'm afraid is gonna take a lot of effort and I don't wanna upset him.
<atmosx> see?
<shevy> atmosx so a recursion is when you invoke the method itself right?
<atmosx> shevy: yeah...
<shevy> like that fibonacci implementation
<atmosx> yes.
<apeiros_> /nick apeiros|grumpygrandpa
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<atmosx> shevy: hm, I need to finish with this firewall optimisation and I'll see if I can work out the fibonacci thing on my own.
<shevy> hehe
<atmosx> shevy: then bug you a little bit more
<atmosx> I'll save apeiros_ for something a bit more challenging :-P
<shevy> programming is to a huge degree a pattern matching and pattern discovering procedure
<shevy> that's why you should know mathematics and that is what I am missing
<shevy> unless you use php
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<atmosx> shevy: lol php for the win!
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<arup_r> What is the best way to group of 3 elements like ar = (1..8).to_a to new_a = ar.some_method(4) # => [[1,2,3,4],[5,6,7,8]]
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<arup_r> sorry group of 4**
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<arup_r> Any built in method/
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<arup_r> Ahh.. got it #.each_slice
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<atmosx> arup_r: funny, I was doing the same thing yesterday.
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<misc_> hello guys, I try to do bundler install and I get this error message: Could not find i18n-0.7.0 in any of the sources, any ideas?
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<wow> My socket doesn't appear to receive anything
<wow> but when inspected with wireshark I clearly do receive something
<wow> why is this?
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<thatslifeson> lemme guess, puts works but write doesn't?
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<wow> huh? lol
<thatslifeson> If you see it on wireshark but aren't getting anything, then the server isn't receiving it
<wow> it is
<thatslifeson> i'll look at your code in a sec, gotta wait for boss to walk by lol
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<wow> How do I get the text in between the tags <k> and </k>?
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<tobiasvl> wow: use nokogiri?
<wow> wtf
<wow> i was hoping for a regexp
<wow> i don't know how to use regexp's tho
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<shevy> lol
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<shevy> regexes can be easy if you build them up by yourself
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<tobiasvl> HTML (or whatever you're parsing here, XML or SGML) is not a regular langyage
<tobiasvl> language
<shevy> the simplest way is at http://rubular.com/ wow
<tobiasvl> so regular expressions in principle can't parse HTML
<tobiasvl> although you can do some tricks
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<wow> /<k>(.*?)<\/k>/ =~ msg
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<wow> ?
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<tobiasvl> try it and see
<tobiasvl> but note that regex can't parse nested HTML well
<tobiasvl> <k><k></k>
<wow> yep it works
<wow> tobiasvl: don't worry
<tobiasvl> but if all you want is "the text between <k> and </k>" then sure
<wow> it's a randomly generated key which is non dynamic
<axilla> morning all i'm trying to build my first ruby gem to wrap an API.. i'm trying to setup testing following this guide https://blog.engineyard.com/2014/wrapping-your-api-in-a-ruby-gem but something doesn't seem to be right. I have everything setup just like it says but when I try to run the first test i still get uninitialized constant Mbjson::Artist also in test_helper when I try to require ./lib/myfolder it won't find the version i have t
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<axilla> nevermind
<axilla> i figured it out hah!
<axilla> had a trailing slash ><
<shevy> wow normally the regex comes on the right side ... if string =~ /\d+/
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<wow> shevy: meh, I made it work regardless
<shevy> hehe
<wow> rndk = /<k>(.*?)<\/k>/.match(ss);$1
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<wow_> hate it when this happens
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<kerin> I've installed the i18n gem and no locales seem to be valid, do I need to install them separately? If so, how?
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<wow> Hello, I was wondering on how to get a message from an IRC server like this: "PRIVMSG #channel :message"
<wow> so that the method that I create will return "message"
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<tobiasvl> wow: regex?
<wow> tobiasvl: hmm
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<wow> dunno how to do it with regex, i tried something but it gave me a blank string
<wow> /PRIVMSG #{channel} :(.*?)/
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<wow> waxjar: Thanks, I'll look into that.
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<shevy> wow yes, if you use () you have capture groups
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<shevy> >> "PRIVMSG #channel :message" =~ /PRIVMSG #{channel} :(.*?)/; $1
<eval-in_> shevy => undefined local variable or method `channel' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/257968)
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<shevy> ah
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<shevy> >> "PRIVMSG #channel :message" =~ /:(.*)$/; $1
<eval-in_> shevy => "message" (https://eval.in/257969)
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<wow> so is that anny better to use than the link waxjar gave me?
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<gr33n7007h> >> "PRIVMSG #channel :message".split(':').last
<eval-in_> gr33n7007h => "message" (https://eval.in/257973)
<wow> woah :O
<wow> a lot of ways to do this
<waxjar> >> ":prefix PRIVMSG #channel :message".split(':').last
<eval-in_> waxjar => "message" (https://eval.in/257978)
<shevy> wow I did not look at what waxjar showed
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<shevy> regex allows for a lot of complicated grabbing
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<waxjar> eh, "PRIVMSG #channel :message with a :colon".split(':').last i meant
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<waxjar> read the article wow, it's good and tells you the edge cases
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<wow> shevy: so regex is better to use?
<shevy> depends
<shevy> in the above example, .split is simpler
<shevy> but for more complicated scenarios, a regex is better. a regex is like a mini programming language
<wow> okay, i'll go with the split thing then
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<wow> is parenthesis needed if i'm doing for instance: "bot.get_message s.chomp.eql?"
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<shevy> not in this case
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<shevy> when it is not ambigous, you can drop parens
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<wow> okay
<wow> one more problem i'm having
<wow> oh nvm
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<wow> the thing for the PRIVMSG thing is
<wow> it won't matter if it's a channel or an actual private message
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<wow> which is a problem, if i PM my bot with a command then it will be shown on the channel
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<jhass> wow: check the cinch gem, all that messy IRC stuff already done for you
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<wow> jhass: Sorry but I'm actually making my own
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<unreal> weaksauce: Eh?
<wow> hi unreal
<jhass> wow: so you got :<optional_prefix> <command> <param> <optional_param...> :<optional_param> essentially
<wow> yep
<jhass> you can parse that fairly well with a series of limited splits
<wow> i see
<wow> i'll implement that later, currently it can only just get the message
<wow> thanks for all your help guys
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<wow> ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension.
<wow> what does this mean?
<wow> i also get some mkmf load error
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<jhass> it means what it says
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<wow> yeah
<jhass> the true error is somewhere above it
<jhass> or in the logs mentioned
<wow> building native extensions
<gr33n7007h> wow, what OS?
<wow> linux
<wow> debian
<gr33n7007h> wow, prolly just a "sudo apt-get install ruby-dev" then try again
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<wow> I did
<wow> now I get another error
<wow> zlib is missing; necessary for building libxml2
<wow> *** extconf.rb failed ***
<ddv> yeah install zlib headers
<centrx> you need the dev packages for these libraries
<wow> is zlib a gem?
<centrx> no these are all OS packages
<gr33n7007h> wow, part of stdlib
<centrx> gem dependencies are automatically retrieved by gem
<wow> i already have build-essential tho
<wow> i thought that gives stdlib
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<centrx> wow, apt-get install zlib1g-dev
<wow> centrx: I did so, seems to be building native extensions now
<gr33n7007h> yay :)
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<thatslifeson> #linux
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<wow> Thanks! This seemed to work
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<shevy> wow yeah, just keep in mind that debian is notorious for splitting up stuff, so you have to un-split their stuff
<wow> Okay.
<shevy> require 'readline' probably also does not work for you out of the box
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<wow> does the bot in here use eval for evaluating expressions etc
<wow> it seems evil
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<shevy> not entirely sure; it uses a sandbox though so you should not be able to break it in any way
<shevy> >> tea
<eval-in_> shevy => undefined local variable or method `tea' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/258076)
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<shevy> look at the link above wow
<shevy> it outputs this:
<shevy> /tmp/execpad-3e02d8983eb7/source-3e02d8983eb7:2:in `<main>': undefined local variable or method `tea' for main:Object (NameError)
<shevy> so it runs in some subdirecory of /tmp/
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<shevy> for file creation there
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<jhass> I'd expect it spins up a new MRI in a sandbox
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<wow> hm
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<wow> so in order for me to make my bot use eval I need to create a lot of security on top of it?
<wow> for it to be secure
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<ddv> you could use docker for it
<ddv> or a silly chroot
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<Morrolan> Chroot is not real security when it comes to potentially malicious code.
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<jhass> check playpen
<jhass> very tight sandbox
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<wow> so do I put that sandbox on the file?
<wow> so that it can't escape from this "jail"
<jhass> "put that sandbox on the file"?
<wow> like a jail
<jhass> I guess the answer is yes
<wow> and then i'm secure and I can use eval?
<jhass> not sure what that's asking for though
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<jhass> if you run the file in a sandbox, it's pretty secure, that's the point of doing it
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<wow> so if one were to use malicious code like: cmd = `rm -rf ~/`
<wow> it wouldn't work
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<jhass> it depends on your sandbox
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<jhass> playpen supports launching as non-root in the sandbox and mounts new tmpfs'es each time for its home and /tmp etc
<jhass> playpen itself needs to be launched as root though
<jhass> so for my usecase I had a SUIDed wrapper around
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<jhass> you probably shouldn't let your bot run untrusted code if that all makes no sense to you
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<jhass> it's a thing where you should know what you're doing
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<wow> but can't I just surpress those malicious method calls and such?
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<jhass> blacklisting gets you only so far
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<jhass> the safe way is to whitelist
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<jhass> and sorry, but that you even has to ask these questions is a good indicator that you shouldn't do it
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<jhass> or at least not connect it to an untrusted network (like, the internet)
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<wow> jhass: one more thing for my irc bot
<Morrolan> If all you want to do is allow your users to execute code in a generic environment, then you might be able to use services like eval.in
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<Morrolan> Some of them are bound to have public APIs
<wow> obviously i'll need to respond to pings
<wow> how does freenode handle the pong response?
<jhass> it ignores the parameter
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<jhass> you can pass anything there
<wow> oh cool
<jhass> the RFC isn't really clear on what a client should pass there anyway
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<wow> bot.send_msg bot.get_messageuser s + ": " + bball.sample
<wow> will this work
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<jhass> why not use "#{string_interpolation}"?
<jhass> and who knows
<wow> great idea
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<wow> doc = Pismo::Document.new(bot.get_message s.chomp)
<wow> the weirdest thing is that this won't work
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<wow> it's supposed to send the title of a webpage if a message starts with http:// but it doesn't
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<shevy> well
<shevy> always break the problem down wow
<wow> alright
<shevy> can you find out where the error happens?
<shevy> s.chomp works I assume right?
<wow> that's right.
<shevy> so what does bot_get_message() give
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<shevy> sorry
<shevy> bot.get_message
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<epitron> >> (1..100).map {|n| ((n+1)*10).to_s.rjust(10,"-") }.join ""
<eval-in_> epitron => "--------20--------30--------40--------50--------60--------70--------80--------90-------100-------110-------120-------130-------140-------150-------160-------170-------180-------190-------200-------210 ... (https://eval.in/258132)
<wow> it gives the line of the PRIVMSG split by ": " on last
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<wow> line.split(" :").last*
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<shevy_bot> hey wow how do you do
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<wow> hi
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> wow and that is a string?
<wow> yep
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<shevy> if it is a string, then Pismo::Document.new() surely would also work, if it can handle strings
<wow> it should
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<shevy> have you tried to do: p doc on the next line?
<jhass> wows_bot: I broke you
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<shevy> hey
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<jhass> you need to limit the split ;)
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<shevy> wow add a filter so that jhass no longer breaks your bot; just filter jhass away
<wow> shevy: what if someone else does that
<shevy> well add a size check too
<wow> oh right
<wow> so the problem is with the fact of
<shevy> if string.size > 200
<wow> http:
<wow> : being there
<shevy> or whatever, not sure
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<shevy> well ok
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<shevy> either you use a regex
<wow> how do I limit splits?
<shevy> or you make additional checks with or before .split
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<shevy> can you give example input?
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<wow> obviously there is a colon there, so it will break it
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<jhass> >> "foo :bar: baz".split(":", 2)
<eval-in_> jhass => ["foo ", "bar: baz"] (https://eval.in/258161)
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<wow> just limit it to 2?
<jhass> depends
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<jhass> remember :<optional_prefix> <command> <param> <optional_param...> :<optional_param>
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<wow> then it's 2
<jhass> I don't know how you parse that atm
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<shevy> wow hmm perhaps a single regex might be better in the long run. or you handle http and such separately
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<wow> shevy: yeah I guess
<shevy> >> my_string = "http://www.google.com/"; puts 'yup is a http link' if my_string.start_with? 'http'
<eval-in_> shevy => yup is a http link ... (https://eval.in/258163)
<wow> so what is the regex?
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<shevy> regex can become complicated :D
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<jhass> I'm doing the split based approach, it's ~10 lines
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<slash_nick> jhass: maybe it'd help to expand those <this-represents-foo> <this-represents-bar...> so the patterns are more evident
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<wow> shevy: what's the regex?
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<slash_nick> wow: .*
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<wow> :s
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<jhass> slash_nick: sorry?
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<jhass> I have 6 significant lines to get prefix, command and an array of parameters
<slash_nick> :optional_prefix command required_param optional_params1 optional_params2 optional_params3 :weird_optional_params1_with_a_colon
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<slash_nick> jhass: am i reading <that> <stuff...> correctly?
<jhass> yeah
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<shevy> wow dunno. I hate regexes usually... hahaha
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<shevy> I go with .split and other if checks because they are super easy for my poor brain
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<shevy_bot> noob
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<slash_nick> haha
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<wow> my function only gets a message from someone
<wow> it doesn't get anything else
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<wow> so what do i exactly need to do
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<shevy> how is this possible
<shevy> is it not a general input-grabber there?
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<slash_nick> shevy: if *that* is what jhass's commands are looking like, I'd say regex... the commands and arguments stand out enough, either by casing, inclusion of colon, position in the input, etc
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<wow> slash_nick: how would you parse it in regex?
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<slash_nick> so if it's convention that command is UPCASED... that there's one required param and the reset are optional... that there can be one special optional with a colon (it's at the end)... that the prefix is optional (it'll have a colon and be at the beginning)... all easy regex fodder
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<jhass> command convention is upcased yet, but it's actually not mandated and most ircds should happily accept lowercase
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<jhass> many commands are actually just a 3 digit number
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<wow> return trailingstart >= 0 ? line[trailingstart + 2] : line.length
<wow> >= is not working for me
<slash_nick> jhass: sounds like if you can identify which of the tokens is the command, you can recognize what each of the other tokens are... are commands dynamically added, or is it a known and static list?
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<centrx> >> 1 >= 0
<eval-in_> centrx => true (https://eval.in/258190)
<jhass> there's a known set, but the RFC specifically says either party may invent new ones at any point
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<jhass> RFC as a protocol is a mess :/
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<wow> jhass
<wow> why does it keep saying that
<jhass> the MODE command is the most ridiculous
<wow> trailingstart = line.index(" :") is nil?
<jhass> it's basically two different comamnds with the same name
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<wow> nvm
<wow> can someone please just tell me the regex?
<wow> i've been at this for like an hour
<centrx> ?
<slash_nick> wow i know what jhass is talking about (just barely though)... what are you talking about? lol :)
<wow> you said that I can use a regex
<wow> what's the regex?
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<slash_nick> Oh I was talking to jhass... was jhass helping you? I'm so lost.
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<tobiasvl> regex for what
<wow> irc message parsing
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<gr33n7007h> >> data = ":gr33n7007h!~gr33n7007@unaffiliated/gr33n7007h PRIVMSG #monsterenergy :jhsdhjjdhjhbds"; data.match(/\s:(.*)$/)[1]
<eval-in_> gr33n7007h => "jhsdhjjdhjhbds" (https://eval.in/258191)
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<jhass> gr33n7007h: the : is optional and only required if the message contains spaces or an :
<wow> return line.match(/\s:(.*)$/)[1]
<wow> will give me the annoying nilclass error
<gr33n7007h> jhass, ah, didn't know my bad
<tobiasvl> there seems to be a lot of stuff on google about this
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<gr33n7007h> thought that privmsg always started with colon for message part
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<jhass> gr33n7007h: in practice it pretty much does since it's not wrong to add it even when it's not required, most clients just always add it
<wow> this is really annoying
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<gr33n7007h> wow, what is?
<wow> the fact that I want a trailing regexp
<wow> I don't want an entire regexp for parsing an entire line
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<gr33n7007h> wow, can you gist an example of what you want?
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<wow> :.8ball hi: cool
<wow> shouldn't be able to break the bot for example
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<gawd> Can you burn to and go live on Blu-ray ??
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<jhass> gawd: in which channel did you ask that question?
<gawd> oops my bad
<gawd> sorry
<shevy> hehe
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<gr33n7007h> >> data = ":blabla!~bla@blab:labla PRIVMSG #channel :message :jnjsn jnsue"; data.match(/\s#\w+\s:(.*)/)
<eval-in_> gr33n7007h => #<MatchData " #channel :message :jnjsn jnsue" 1:"message :jnjsn jnsue"> (https://eval.in/258217)
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<gr33n7007h> >> data = ":blabla!~bla@blab:labla PRIVMSG #channel :message :jnjsn jnsue"; data.match(/\s#\w+\s:(.*)/)[1]
<eval-in_> gr33n7007h => "message :jnjsn jnsue" (https://eval.in/258219)
<gr33n7007h> ^^wow
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<wow> ty
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<wow> one problem though
<wow> I have if statements on my while loop that receives data from the socket
<wow> so whenever it recieves data, it will check
<wow> and this will give me a nilclass
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<jhass> gr33n7007h: that won't work in channels like #ruby-lang ;)
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<wow> jhass
<wow> why don't you give me your solution?
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<gr33n7007h> wow, so do something like loop { recv = s.recv(1024); if recv.include? 'PRIVMSG'; message = recv.match(/\s#\w+\s:(.*)/)[1]; do something with message; end
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<gr33n7007h> jhass, ah, shit true
<jhass> channel part is #[^\s,:]+
<jhass> any octet except, ' ', ',', ':', '\n' and '\r'
<jhass> so \t is valid in theory, but I guess nothing you'll see in practice
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<wow> jhass
<jhass> wow: I gave you the solution I'd use for ruby: cinch
<wow> how do I split it?
<wow> cinch
<wow> damn it
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<jhass> gr33n7007h: Socket should have IO#gets and since IRC messages are terminated with \r\n, that's pretty handy to read out the individual ones ;)
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<gr33n7007h> I know, but my brains not working today
<wow> pr = line.split(":"); return pr.count != 2 ? pr[2] : pr.last
<wow> this doesn't seem to break
<wow> :)
<jhass> what's line?
<wow> argument
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<jhass> no, what does it contain
<wow> :blabla!~bla@blablabla PRIVMSG #channel :message
<wow> for an example
<jhass> so it breaks on :foo PRIVMSG #channel :wow: hi
<wow> but that can't happen
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<jhass> sure it can
<wow> how
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<jhass> wow: hi
<jhass> no it just happened
<jhass> *now
<wow> where's the foo?
<gr33n7007h> >> ":blabla!~bla@blablabla PRIVMSG #channel :message".split(':')
<eval-in_> gr33n7007h => ["", "blabla!~bla@blablabla PRIVMSG #channel ", "message"] (https://eval.in/258246)
<jhass> the foo's irrelevant
<jhass> :jhass!~jhass@aeshna.de PRIVMSG #cebot :wow: hi
<jhass> copy paste of the message
<wow> so what the hell do I do?
<jhass> you limit the split
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<wow> to*
<wow> to?
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<jhass> depends on whether the message has a prefix or not
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<wow> let's say it always will
<wow> what's the limit integer then?
<jhass> the number of elements you want at most
<waxjar> wow, did you need read the article i linked you? :/
<waxjar> it deals with all of this
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<wow> jhass: ..
<wow> 2?
<jhass> don't guess, reason
<wow> 3
<wow> it has to be 3
<wow> yeah it works
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<waxjar> anyway, to get the trail, split on " :" instead of ":" with a limit of 2. it'll work regardless of there being a prefix or not.
<wow> and that's all?
<wow> return line.split(" :", 2).last
<wow> ?
<gr33n7007h> wow, don't need the 2
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<waxjar> not exactly, you might get a message without a trail
<jhass> sure you do
<jhass> this will break :otherwise
<gr33n7007h> duh, yep
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<gr33n7007h> he'll be back
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<waxjar> jeez. i linked this guy a working solution, an article going in depth about his question. instead he wastes his time on irc looking for a quick fix he doesn't even have a "thank you" for :s
<gr33n7007h> prolly just frustrated :(
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<b1nd> .
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<gr33n7007h> but like you said courtesy costs nothing
<b1nd> I keep getting "Could not find gem 'rake-ssl-enforcer" after bundle
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<b1nd> first line of my Gemfile is "source https://rubygems.org"; and the other Gems work fine..
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<b1nd> verified that it is on, rubygems.org and looks to be there
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<b1nd> do you think I am running on some type of cached copy of 'rubygems.org' ??
<kstuart> b1nd: do you mean 'rack-ssl-enforcer'? (not rake-...)
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<b1nd> works now, shit
<b1nd> thanks
<b1nd> wow, long day
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<kstuart> yep, certainly is ;)
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<theotherstupidgu> is middleware architecture in ruby means layers architecture?
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<theotherstupidgu> to be more specific is rack's middleware arch is a layers architecure?
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<jhass> no I wouldn't say so
<jhass> I'd actually go as far and say it's closer to a design pattern than to an architecture pattern
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<shevy> is osx a better development platform than linux?
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<wasamasa> trololol
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<theotherstupidgu> jhass well, its well established that it is common and important, even out of ruby. and as far as i can tell it never been documented as a design pattern(got any references?)
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<jhass> no, got middleware documented as architecture pattern?
<theotherstupidgu> it seems to me it functions pretty much as a layers architecture as in POSA books
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<theotherstupidgu> nope no middleware documented as arechitecutre pattern, yet middleware is not a well defined term
<jhass> what in software engineering really is :P
<theotherstupidgu> true, but its kinda weak to go on without attaching the strings of knowledge... ;)
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<theotherstupidgu> maybe the rack maintainer might help
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<theotherstupidgu> raised an issue https://github.com/rack/rack/issues/789
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<elfuego> does any know the request per second limit of the puma server? or a tool I can use to validate it?
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<theotherstupidgu> elfuego i think that would be machine dependant, so the only way to know is to check it using a remote machine, and kinda abuse it till you know when it breaks
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<b1nd> Does Maria10 work with mysql2 or is there anything else I can use?
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<b1nd> Been trying here to get it to build for mysql2 but it keeps saying
<b1nd> `require': Incorrect MySQL client library version! This gem was compiled for 5.5.41-MariaDB but the client library is 10.0.5-MariaDB. (RuntimeError)
<b1nd> also, tried `mysql` and same exact issue
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<havenwood> b1nd: maybe try: gem pristine mysql2 --extensions
<havenwood> b1nd: rebuild against your new db
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<jhass> ^ have it working with mariadb10 here
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<kstuart> b1nd: also this ticket may help - https://github.com/brianmario/mysql2/issues/506
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<digitalcake> What is the best way to write an acceptance spec for a rake file that generates a file? should I just check to see that a file create by trying to load it or am I'm doing it all wrong?
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<wow> Guys some guy is flirting with my crush and this is a huge problem for me
<wow> does ruby have a gem for hacking fb accounts?
<wasamasa> rofl
<wasamasa> bestest request for ruby help ever
<wow> I'm serious lol
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<shevy> don't think many ruby guys have much to do with fb
<shevy> wow you can always try a search for gems yourself: https://rubygems.org/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&query=facebook
<wow> but how do you hack a facebook acount
<wasamasa> get out
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<wasamasa> if you're in the least bit serious, you have a much bigger problem than that at your hands
<Zarthus> you become a better person and instead ignore their presence and let them live their life
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<kstuart> digitalcake: can you not predetermine what the generated file contains? Then compare generated to expected .Loading it seems a bit extreme.
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<theotherstupidgu> zarthus way to go
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<wow> zarthus: thanks
<wow> i will
<wasamasa> lol
<shevy> :)
<wow> so can someone tell me the best place to hide a body
<shevy> Zarthus is a buddhist, wasamasa is a devil
<wasamasa> this is going a bit too well
<Zarthus> no problem'
<wasamasa> shevy: got a problem with that?
<shevy> wow your fridge?
<wow> hmm
<wow> ill try it
<wow> thx
<wasamasa> shevy: what are you then?
<wasamasa> my advocate?
<shevy> wasamasa ur mom
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<theotherstupidgu> comic book men, anyone watched this show?
<shevy> never heard of that show before
<shevy> my shows were in the 1980es like married with children!
<theotherstupidgu> i was trying to find comics it popedup
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<theotherstupidgu> got kevin smith
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<Rylee> man, the python useres are getting more blatant in their trolling
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<digitalcake> kstuart: I thought that the contents would be what get tested at the unit level and that I would not need to check that twice. But I guess I'm just looking for a reason to write a acceptance test.
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<shevy> Rylee it's the way of our slithering friends, just like in the old junglebook movie
<Rylee> :-P
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<softinio> What's a good book or tutorial to learn ruby fast for an experienced programmer ?
<shevy> anyone knows if someone perhaps wrote a gmail gem? I'd need a way to just dump a listing of all emails on the commandline
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<gizmore> shevy: there is an official gem from google... maybe it covers it?
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<gizmore> it covers all api stuff... maybe there is gmail too
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<kstuart> digitalcake: ah, ok. if you're testing the functionality of the generated file with unit tests sounds like it's covered already.
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<shevy> gizmore ok let's see
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<digitalcake> one of the hard parts about trying to make an acceptance test for a rake task that generates a file is to make sure your not writing to production files and instead are writing test files.
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<digitalcake> on hand I dont want logic that checks for the env in the task its self just because of tests, than no the other hand I dont want to supply the task with a path to a file to write to just cause of test
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<digitalcake> s/on hand/on one hand
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<kstuart> why not use env?
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<kstuart> not performance reasons, surely the impact would be minimal.
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<digitalcake> I thought about that, but I worried about generating files that should be cleaned up after the test runs
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<digitalcake> I guess I cant have one without the other
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<kstuart> maybe create a test rakefile for test setup that requires actual rakefile. test rakefile would setup for test?
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<havenwood> softinio: The Ruby Programming Language or The Well-Grounded Rubyist, Second Edition are both good. What language family are you coming from?
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<havenwood> softinio: Here's a very quick run-through: http://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/ruby/
<havenwood> softinio: Or some intros from other langs: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/
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<theotherstupidgu> is there a way to know when an object got its :send method used?
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<havenwood> theotherstupidgu: class Object; def send *args; puts "#{self}#send called!"; super end end
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<ypasmk> anyone knows if in 1.8.5 the digest gem is supported?
<theotherstupidgu> havenwood: awesome, thnx :)
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<softinio> havenwood: I actually have developed in a lot of languages including C, Java, Python and Javascript to name afew ...dabbled in go lang too which I like a lot
<softinio> Need to use Ruby on a new thing at work for first tim
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<havenwood> softinio: Nice. Python is the closest relative of those. The reference implementation is in C. JRuby is an excellent implementation on the JVM. Opal is a partial implementation in JavaScript.
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<havenwood> softinio: So your languages are in good company in Rubyland!
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<softinio> havenwood: shouldn't take me long to get going with it i hope
<softinio> havenwood: Friday started going through this as a starting point: http://www.rubyist.net/~slagell/ruby will look at your suggestions too
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<crocket> After upgrading my archlinux system, when I execute bundler, I see "/usr/lib/ruby/2.2.0/rubygems/dependency.rb:315:in `to_specs': Could not find 'bundler'"
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<crocket> How do I solve the issue?
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<havenwood> crocket: gem install bundler
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<elfuego> can anyone point me to resources to scale a puma webserver, current user load is exceeding its capabilities.
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<havenwood> elfuego: What are you currently doing? How many cores and threads?
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<elfuego> 4 cores, 30 gb of ram, 100 - 3000 threads
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<elfuego> its an api havenwood
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<havenwood> elfuego: using Intrepid Squirrel?
<havenwood> version 2.11.0?
<havenwood> elfuego: that many threads with four cores, hem.
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<elfuego> I think the server isn’t able to accept all the http request I throw at it
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<elfuego> using jmeter
<elfuego> havenwood:
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<elfuego> havenwood: how do you determine the thread number for a machine specification?
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<havenwood> elfuego: How are you running Puma? What does your config file look like? Gist it?
<havenwood> elfuego: Experimentation.
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<havenwood> elfuego: Worker/Thread combos.
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<havenwood> elfuego: I haven't actually tried it, but you could check out Puma Auto Tune: https://github.com/schneems/puma_auto_tune#readme
<havenwood> a neat idea
<havenwood> elfuego: Running Puma on MRI, JRuby or Rubinius?
<elfuego> jruby
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<Sento> hi
<havenwood> Sento: hi
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<Sento> Any recommended books on Ruby for C++ programmers? Also how long time will it take to learn Ruby well?
<havenwood> Sento: Here's a very quick intro from a C/C++ perspective: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/to-ruby-from-c-and-cpp/
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<Sento> I see. How long you think it will take to actually learn Ruby well?
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<havenwood> elfuego: You might also compare Puma performance with Torquebox 4 for your usecase.
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<havenwood> Sento: I don't know how long it would take. How long does it take to learn C++ well?
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<Sento> havenwood: you can't compare C++ with ruby
<havenwood> I can.
<havenwood> I did!
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<havenwood> They're both languages. It's very hard to say what knowing either well means exactly. It's very hard to say how long it would take to learn either.
<softinio> havenwood: looks like u r the channel book recommendation manager :-)
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<havenwood> softinio: I should get referral links. :P
<softinio> yes
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<Hijiri> is it true that Ruby is a parentheses-less dialect o lisp
<wasamasa> pfft
<wasamasa> far from it
<wasamasa> the only thing they share in common is the rather sorry state of documentation
<havenwood> From the Ruby manpage: If you want a language for easy object-oriented programming, or you don't like the Perl ugliness, or you do like the concept of LISP, but don't like too many parentheses, Ruby might be your language of choice.
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<Hijiri> blocks are sort of like lambdas
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<Hijiri> I've never actually used lisp before though
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<Hijiri> except copy and pasting stuff into my elisp file
<wasamasa> the "sort of" part is the problem
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<havenwood> Hijiri: Clojure is a nice Lisp.
* wasamasa shivers when thinking of the builder gem
<havenwood> Hijiri: It's actually quite pleasant to use stuff like Clojure's STM from JRuby.
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<havenwood> Hijiri: I think some of the seattlerb folk enjoy Scheme.
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<wasamasa> it's my favourite example of how rubyists keep solving a very simple problem the wrong way
<havenwood> Chicken!
<havenwood> wasamasa: STM?
<wasamasa> havenwood: no, building xml
<havenwood> ahh, that makes more sense! hehe
<wasamasa> havenwood: all these non-composable DSLs suck
<havenwood> mm
<wasamasa> especially with that sorry excuse for documentation
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<wasamasa> whereas in every lisp you just pass nested data structures to a single, documented function
<Hijiri> I've only done a little ruby, but I found the xml buildling lib very imperative
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<wasamasa> inventing new syntax for it is just wrong, just see what happens when you try printing out what builder would spit out
<wasamasa> that's right, it modifies the builder object
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<wasamasa> I've eventually settled for a gem by a coworker that did that task in ruby by wrapping nokogiri
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<weaksauce> wasamasa > I try to avoid all normal method names on the MarkUp object to avoid clashes with XML tag names. Will someone have an XML tag named "to_s"? Probably not, but I'm not in fond of setting a precedent
<weaksauce> from the guy that wrote builder
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<scottstamp> Hey, is there a "Rails" way of checking if a parameter is set inside a controller? In my use case, I have a few routes pointing to the same controller method with an optional parameter passed to the route. I remembered reading Rails has some validation stuff, figured what I'm trying to do probably belongs there.
<scottstamp> basically I need to do if params[:tag] is set { ...} else { ... }
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<tcrypt> scottstamp: you can just do `if params[:tag].present?; stuff(); else; otherstuff(); end`
<tcrypt> scottstamp: personally I normally use https://github.com/cypriss/mutations
<scottstamp> ah, present. That's what I was looking for.
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<tcrypt> which allows you set if things are required or not, and their defaults if they're optional
<scottstamp> Neat, that looks rather useful for the next few features I need to implement actually.
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<crocket> How do I install bundler in a system directory?
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