<godd2>
mozzarella: nothing is different except you can redifine $stdin without a warning
<zenspider>
you can fuck with $stdin, and reset it back to normal with $stdin = STDIN
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<mozzarella>
hmmm, which one should I use then?
<godd2>
$stdin is idiomatic
<DreamingRainne>
If you're not going to mess with them, then it shouldn't matter.
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<DreamingRainne>
If I were gonna mess with them, though, I'd probably rather assign to my own var, like "input = $stdin" or whatnot, rather than subvert others' expectations of what $stdin is.
<zenspider>
if you're just reading in stdin, don't use either of them
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<gr33n7007h>
Is there a simple webserver to use in ruby to share file across a LAN
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<gr33n7007h>
like in python you can use python -m SimpleHTTPServer 80
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<eam>
zenspider: that sounds useful
<eam>
like why isn't that the default useful
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<zenspider>
eam: because the rubygems + ruby core team believe otherwise
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<nat2610>
what's a good way to to iterate through each key of a hash cotainining multiple hash / subhash etc…
<Nilium>
nat2610: each_key.
<Nilium>
Seeing as you said nothing about iterating recursively.
<nat2610>
but that's only 1 level
<Nilium>
You didn't say anything about iterating recursively.
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<nat2610>
ok recursively then :)
<Nilium>
Do each_key recursively.
<DreamingRainne>
def recurse( hash, &block ); hash.each{|k,v| if v.kind_of? Hash then recurse(v,&block) else yield key,value end}; end
<DreamingRainne>
a = Hash[1=>2]; b = Hash[1=>a]; a[1] = b; recurse(a) # hehe
<gr33n7007h>
DreamingRainne, that spits out a SystemStackError: stack level too deep
<DreamingRainne>
You actually ran the a/b stuff? :P
<gr33n7007h>
no
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<DreamingRainne>
Well, then your hash structure is probably nested too deep. Probably recursive somewhere, like my a/b example. (One includes an ancestor somewhere.)
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<gr33n7007h>
also |k, v| yield key,value just being picky
<gr33n7007h>
:p#
<DreamingRainne>
Oh. Derp.
<nat2610>
Thanks DreamingRainne
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<DreamingRainne>
But yeah. That's the basic idea. With explicit iterators, it could probably be written iteratively rather than actually-recursively, check for infinite recursion, etc.
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<nat2610>
I was able to get the thing I wasnted done thanks to your example
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<DreamingRainne>
nat2610: Which, this recursion thing? Or something else?
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<bhaus>
where can i find installed documentations
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<shevy>
bhaus use ri
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<bhaus>
shevy: i have installed a new module, i am unaware of its methods
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<bhaus>
home pages is not on rubygems.org
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<jhass>
use pry, ri and/or rubydoc.info/gems/yourgem
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<shevy>
bhaus, then it may depend on the gem. for instance, /Programs/Ruby/Current/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/cache/syck-1.0.1/ has a file called README.rdoc
<shevy>
bhaus I think you can also generate docu anew if you are in the directory or perhaps pass it as argument
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<shevy>
cd /Programs/Ruby/Current/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/cache/syck-1.0.1/; rdoc
<shevy>
Generating Darkfish format into /Programs/Ruby/2.1.2/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/cache/syck-1.0.1/doc...
<shevy>
and now I have a new directory there called doc/
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<czaks>
sometimes docs for gems are so sparse, that it's best to just read source
<shevy>
hehe
<shevy>
I dont like rdoc docs anyway
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<shevy>
I usually look at example usage files
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<eindoofus>
i'm curious, is it standard practice for Devs to always handle the Unit Testing (if there is any) in an organization and for QA to stay away from it?
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<nat2610>
DreamingRainne: the recusion thing
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<pontiki>
hi
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<belozi>
hey
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<eindoofus>
what is the typical role of a SDET?
<DreamingRainne>
Tank/Healer.
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<q0>
why ruby
<gr33n7007h>
Hanmac, so this works for both min and max values?
<Hanmac>
gr33n7007h: yes it should see i used the range,
<Hanmac>
q0 because, why not?
<q0>
what more than a scripting language has to offer
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<q0>
like python, perl
<gr33n7007h>
Hanmac, Yes, this is perfect for what I need
<gr33n7007h>
Hanmac, Thanks buddy :)
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<Hanmac>
q0 everything that can be done in python or perl can also be done in ruby
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<gr33n7007h>
Hanmac, should it be s.chars.to_a.repea.....?
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<q0>
right. so whats the hype about? remove ruby
<Hanmac>
gr33n7007h: depends on the ruby version .... in recent ruby versions chars and each_char are different, each_char does return enumerator, chars does return array
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<gr33n7007h>
Hanmac, ruby 2.1.2is the version
<gr33n7007h>
s.chars return enumerator
<gr33n7007h>
but will it be ok if I do to_a
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<robscormack>
hi all
<Hanmac>
gr33n7007h: huch? hm no that chould not be ,,,
<apeiros>
wasamasa: you've used rails and django and consider django to be better? (I haven't used django, so I can't judge - pure curiosity)
<wasamasa>
which is thankfully over now
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<wasamasa>
apeiros: well, I've only used flask, I'm using rails at work now
<wasamasa>
apeiros: and debugging errors is a pain
<wasamasa>
something feels deeply wrong with activerecord
<wasamasa>
must be the create_and_find_by_name_and_color
<apeiros>
ORMs are leaky abstractions. I don't think I've ever seen one which isn't flawed at some point.
<wasamasa>
django's orm looks more like my thing
<gr33n7007h>
what make interpreted languages slow/fast the interpreters?
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<wasamasa>
the objects?
<apeiros>
objects isn't a property of "interpreted language"
<wasamasa>
also, garbage collection can be a problem
<apeiros>
that said, "interpreted" isn't a property of a language either
<wasamasa>
deep down, they're all interpreted by something
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<wasamasa>
which is why I find it a pretty silly thing to get hung up on
<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: proper question: "what makes an interpreter slow?", or: "why is compiled code faster than interpreted code?" - which one do you want to have answered?
<gr33n7007h>
apeiros, the former
<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: it is an additional layer between the machine which executes the code and the executed code
<wasamasa>
gr33n7007h: not all interpreters are slow, some cheat and secretly compile to c and execute it
<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: same as talking to somebody through a translator will be slower than talking in his native language
<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: additionally, an interpreter often will perform much less optimization than a compiler
<gr33n7007h>
so why is python faster then ruby?
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<wasamasa>
too many factors to answer that in a simple manner
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<MatthewsFace>
haha
<MatthewsFace>
I'm curious
<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: improper question again. performance is not a language property.
<wasamasa>
I've seen a talk about scheme implementation techniques and it made my head explode
<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: see jruby vs. mri - same language, different performance
<wasamasa>
don't want to see the equivalent for more accepted languages
<wasamasa>
but it explains some of the ways to go at it which was pretty cool
<gr33n7007h>
duly down to curiosity as there both written in C
<wasamasa>
gr33n7007h: that doesn't say anything
<apeiros>
but lets assume you asked MRI vs. whatever the common python runtime is
<wasamasa>
cpython
<wasamasa>
not to be confused with cython
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<gr33n7007h>
ok i'm listening
<wasamasa>
want these slides I'm speaking of?
<wasamasa>
or do you want to search on your own for something more appropriate than them :P
<apeiros>
can be a variety of reasons. I don't know whether any of them is true, though: the language being easier to map to what the machine is capable; the interpreter generally being better implemented; less overhead in the object system…
<apeiros>
it's always a question of tradeoffs
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<wasamasa>
one of the things these slides mention are bytecode interpreters
<wasamasa>
which are becoming popular as they're fast enough and not too hard to implement
<apeiros>
it absolutely kills both, ruby and python :)
<wasamasa>
it also mentions what tricks the JS runtimes use these days
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<apeiros>
JS would be an example of: relatively simple language, which is much easier to optimize
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<apeiros>
don't get me wrong - the optimization achievements of the JS interpreter implementors are huge IMO, and I doubt it's "easy". but comparably easier than for ruby.
<wasamasa>
like flow analysis for JIT compiling for hot loops
<wasamasa>
which is pretty hard to get right, but apparently yields good results
<gr33n7007h>
apeiros, indeed it is, so nodejs must be lightning fast
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<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: microbenchmarks don't reflect reality all that well
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<wasamasa>
^
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<apeiros>
language A might be ~3x faster than language B. so in an O(n^3) complexity microbenchmark, it's 27x as fast. but in your real world application, it might be the difference between a request served within 3ms vs. 5ms
<gr33n7007h>
apeiros, true
<gr33n7007h>
how can any language compare to the sexiness of ruby syntax
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<gr33n7007h>
it can't
<wasamasa>
less syntax
<wasamasa>
break down to the least amount of syntax
<apeiros>
I think there is room for improvement
<wasamasa>
get rid of any ambiguities in the process
<apeiros>
but wrt syntax, ruby does indeed quite well
<wasamasa>
and make metaprogramming less hacky
<apeiros>
I do have a rather long wishlist for ruby :)
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<gr33n7007h>
apeiros, care to elaborate?
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<gr33n7007h>
one thing I would to disregard in ruby is {} for blocks
<wasamasa>
just use do end
<gr33n7007h>
wasamasa, i do
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<jhass>
so you chain on end or you just never chain?
<gr33n7007h>
yep I chain on end
<wasamasa>
oh, chaining
<wasamasa>
forgot about that
<apeiros>
gr33n7007h: not really, no
<jhass>
^
<gr33n7007h>
{} is for hash }.join or end.join ?
<jhass>
}.join
<apeiros>
^
<gr33n7007h>
hmmm....
<apeiros>
reason why I subscribe to "{} for return value, do/end for side-effect"
<apeiros>
that said, I largely stopped chaining on multiline blocks anyway. lvars for clarity and win.
<gr33n7007h>
well I think that's a matter of personal preference but apeiros I know where your coming from
<gr33n7007h>
brb
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<gr33n7007h>
Is there any insight of ruby making it's way into embedded systems?
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<redpen>
hello, all. what are the jeg libraries? google is not being very helpful
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<apeiros>
re: get treated how you act - "there is no" -> bad. "where is it?" -> much better
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<redpen>
weird, you would think it would be easier to get to the buffer data. thanks
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<bhaak>
you said so yourself, jpeg has dct, there is no "buffer data" unless you compute it first.
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<bhaak>
if you don't mind the extra step you can convert jpegs to pngs with an external tool and then use chunky_png
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<redpen>
i am aware of chunk_png
<redpen>
you would think its just as complex as jpeg
<wasamasa>
.
<wasamasa>
your assumptions are invalid
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<wasamasa>
match them to reality
<redpen>
yeah what the hell is a .png any how?
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<shevy>
it was the attempt to kill .gif files
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<apeiros>
he's gone
<shevy>
:(
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<shevy>
dumdedum
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<lxsameer>
hey guys is there any solution to force ruby to bind to a special IP when trying to connect to a remote host ?
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<jhass>
TCPSocket::new takes local_host as third param and local_port as fourth
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<lxsameer>
jhass: un fortunately I don't have access to the code directly. I hoped to find a solution like Environment variables or something like that
<jhass>
I can't imagine that would exist
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<jhass>
but ruby is very open, you do have access to the code
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<dietcoke>
hello all, i am trying to install the jpeg wrapper gem, but fails to find a jpeg header. i have compiled libjpeg elsewhere. how can i inform the gem process of the libs and headers
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<benzrf>
dietcoke: did you install the dev version
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<dietcoke>
of libjpeg? no
<dietcoke>
let me get it...
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<dietcoke>
benzrf: ok what else
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<benzrf>
thats it
<benzrf>
the headers come w/ the dev version
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<dietcoke>
im in windows
<Hanmac>
dietcoke: ps: next time say it before on which OS you are, that might help us to specifiy the solution
<benzrf>
dietcoke: ick
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<jhass>
or help us to hide better
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<dietcoke>
so gem looks in gcc paths?
<dietcoke>
when im in linux
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<dietcoke>
where the hell are these guides?
<dietcoke>
damn
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<shevy>
dietcoke in japanese
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<shevy>
on windows things tend to become much harder than on linux
<dietcoke>
i see, say im in linux, and i have google translate
<lagweezle>
shevy: Aye, but then there is the argument--poor or not--that Ruby is a scripting language, why would anything need to be compiled. ;)
<lagweezle>
Scripted language? Whatever that term is...
<shevy>
Hanmac will there be examples?
<shevy>
Hanmac will there be a gem release as well?
<shevy>
lagweezle to provide bindings to other libraries
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<lagweezle>
I think you missed some of the sarcasm. ^^;
<shevy>
not at all
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<shevy>
one of the biggest gaps is that there are many people who don't know C
<Hanmac>
shevy: i am still in working, examples will be added when the features in that ones are ready
<lagweezle>
I'm reminding myself just how clueless people are by reading through http://notalwaysright.com/
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<Hanmac>
shevy look at L30-L85 of that file ... that is one macro ;P
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<shevy>
Hanmac C++ leads to insanity
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<shevy>
"My coworker stopped short of actually mooing like a cow and that whole exchange"
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<wasamasa>
I wanted to paste that line
<wasamasa>
then decided against it
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* lagweezle
grins.
<benzrf>
notalwaysright is notalwaystrue
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<lagweezle>
Aye. Probably far more true than Urban Dictionary is now, though. :/
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<DaniG2k>
hello all
<shevy>
if there is one thing that life has taught me
<shevy>
it is to never trust the intarnetz
<lagweezle>
... although having worked desktop support in a student lab at college ... most of them are probably true.
<DaniG2k>
is the best way to make my routes contain the article date (like /year/month/day/articlename ) best to do with friendly_id ?
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<shevy>
ok so you know how it feels to be truly despised already lagweezle
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<lagweezle>
hah! :)
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<eam>
shevy: normal build programs let you set CFLAGS and LDFLAGS to compensate
<shevy>
and gem does not honour these?
<eam>
nope
<eam>
it's pretty screwed up TBH
<shevy>
they must be available in ENV
<eam>
try it
<shevy>
I am not sure how
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<shevy>
I only have CFLAGS set though, no LDFLAGS
<shevy>
-O2 -fPIC -fno-strict-overflow
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<eam>
are you even sure CFLAGS are getting through?
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<shevy>
I have not much experience with gem, but when I use system ruby, ENV['CFLAGS'] is 100% honoured for ./configure;make;make install builds from within .rb files
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<jhass>
DaniG2k: #rubyonrails
<shevy>
I do that in my rbt project where the keyword "static" toggles ENV['CFLAGS'] to include -static there, and the resulting end binaries then have no dependency on any .so files (if compilation succeeds)
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<xfz>
I was instructed to not use mysql extensions for what I'm about to build, but plain SQL.
<shevy>
actually, -static -O2 -g
<shevy>
I forgot why the -g was necessary
<xfz>
does this mean I should stay clear of the mysql2 gem?
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<shevy>
xfz dunno. perhaps they meant just straight common SQL without mysql specific commands?
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<jhass>
xfz: ask that your instructor not us. But I guess they meant MySQL extensions to the SQL language, not the client bindings
<shevy>
postgresql also has some postgre specific thingies
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<shevy>
somehow I liked postgresql more than mysql
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<jhass>
that's because it's a lot nicer
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<lagweezle>
... and not owned by Oracle. ;)
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<jhass>
it's still a lot nicer than mariadb
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<lagweezle>
That poor woman... stuck inside a database ...
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<shevy>
better than being stuck in an elevator
<shevy>
or a whale
<centrx>
you can say that agin
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<lagweezle>
... or working retail ...
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<shevy>
you seem to have been traumatized by your work lagweezle :)
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<lagweezle>
Thankfully I've never worked retail! I did do three years of phone support, and ... many years of desktop support... and have witnessed some really horrible assholes when in stores...
<lagweezle>
So, yeha, I find I dislike people in a somewhat general sense. :/
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<shevy>
haha
<shevy>
I only dislike computers
<shevy>
they have changed the human race
<shevy>
they are also very useful which makes it even more annoying
<shevy>
tablets man
<shevy>
in a subway I see zombies
<centrx>
The first computer was the Devil.
<shevy>
they are always busy doing shit
<shevy>
be it phoning someone, playing games, listening to music with earplugs or however you call those things they push into their ears
<benzrf>
so doing things makes u zombie?
<benzrf>
not doing things makes u human?
<shevy>
cutting wood does not make you a zombie
<centrx>
It's the screens, the glowing boxes
<benzrf>
cutting wood is less human than playing games or listening to music
<benzrf>
beavers cut wood
<lagweezle>
Oddly enough, I miss cutting wood. That is one of the few types of exercise I actually enjoy. O.o
<benzrf>
they dont play games or listen to music
<shevy>
cutting wood is interfacing with the real world
<shevy>
don't tell me IRC is a real thing benzrf
<benzrf>
shevy: since when is interfacing with the real world a fundamentally human thing
<benzrf>
structured language is a fundamentally human thing
<lagweezle>
Actually, we don't know how most animals communicate. The more we study it, the more we find we were wrong. Dogs even have accents that tend to correlate with their lineage or the group they grew up with.
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<lagweezle>
I can't help but wonder if there are less dumb people in countries that aren't the United States ...
<lagweezle>
Maybe we're just really good at being arrogantly stupid.
<shevy>
there are dumb people everywhere
<lagweezle>
Oh, that I have no doubt of!
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<shevy>
lagweezle there was a nice short video about that
<lagweezle>
shevy: Er, of which? The dog accent thing?
<shevy>
nono
<shevy>
the education/dumbness
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<lagweezle>
AH!
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<lagweezle>
Oh! Hey! Haven't seen this guy for ages.
<shevy>
Quote from it: "The USA has the worst educational system known to science."
<shevy>
he is quite cool
<shevy>
my idol is still Alan Kay though
<lagweezle>
AUGH! *glares at dogs* QUIIIIEEEEEET YOU SILLY GITS!
<lagweezle>
Puppy sitting, and he alarm barks at almost anything. His bark sets my dog off, who will bark once or twice to "back him up" before realizing there is nothign to bark at... This then sets him off again, which sets her off again... -.-
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<shevy>
eat him
<lectrick>
Heh, don't override String#to_s. Funny things will break.
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<lagweezle>
shevy: While my wife is Korean, we are not eating him.
<lectrick>
My question is though- How can I change the "representation" of an arbitrary object? Just define a to_s on it?
<shevy>
lagweezle cool. you must like Bulgogi then
<jhass>
lectrick: or a .inspect
<lagweezle>
shevy: I do!
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<jhass>
depending on what you want to change
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<shevy>
and Dolsot bibimbap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibimbap - they have the coolest pots for them, I always scratched out the burned rice from it haha
<shevy>
it's actually better than most chinese food too
<lagweezle>
I don't like most Korean food, sadly. :/
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<lectrick>
lagweezle: man, python sure loves its __magical_underscore_namespacing__ methods
<lagweezle>
lectrick: Jeeze yes. The more I work with Python (the preferred language at my place of employment) and the more I work with Ruby on my own stuff, the more I dislike Python. Both have their weird and silly problems, but ... Python feels so ... backwards? inside-out?
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<benzrf>
lagweezle: how so
<benzrf>
you mean the object system/
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<lagweezle>
That is where a lot of my pain comes from, yes.
<atmosx>
Hello people
<benzrf>
lagweezle: just write it such that you only call methods from outside :y
<shevy>
atmosx 1658 is pretty ok though, you won't have a 100% bot download ratio
<benzrf>
lagweezle: like in ruby
<atmosx>
shevy: how can I do that? Once a guy sent me an email to try to make the gem work. We manage to do it after a couple of emails. But I can't believe that more than 10 people actually used that gem
<shevy>
atmosx well it depends on the gem
<benzrf>
lagweezle: so if you are not in a method in the object, do not do self.foo. only do self.foo(). unless foo is a "property"
<atmosx>
benzrf: because I wrote it
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<benzrf>
atmosx: dont worry its probably just bots
<shevy>
atmosx people often want to try out things
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<atmosx>
benzrf: oh k
<atmosx>
shevy: true
<shevy>
atmosx I had people download a gem that is absolutely useless to them, only because it has a good name :)
<shevy>
and if you then have larger projects, their dependencies also get downloaded
<shevy>
atmosx so far I only had one person email to me, and he complained that I lack docu (he is right...)
<atmosx>
shevy: No I'm sure some admins find the gem interesting. But it has really limited abiliteis. I should write a new version. But I don't use f2ban anymroe :-P and I don't have logs
<lagweezle>
benzrf: Oh! I think I understand what you mean.
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* lagweezle
sighs and thinks he is going to have to go ... outside. Meh.
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<shevy>
lagweezle no! stay in!
<shevy>
there are zombies outside
<lagweezle>
Yes! Yes there are! Also, the evil day star!
<lagweezle>
Which Gem?
<shevy>
the yellow deathstar?
<shevy>
we'll vanquish it one day
<diegoviola>
what's the gemspec file for?
<lagweezle>
It is an evil we must embrace, though, for it brings us food and scantily clad people to drool at.
<diegoviola>
how it differs from the Gemfile and Gemfile.lock?
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<shevy>
diegoviola from the .gemspec file you can build a .gem
<shevy>
Gemfile is a bundler invention I think
<lagweezle>
Yes
<shevy>
gem existed before bundler
<diegoviola>
right, i see
<diegoviola>
so the gemspec is a rubygems thing and Gemfile is bundler?
<shevy>
bundler has one thing I envy - downloads from github :(
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<lagweezle>
Using the gemspec method seems to be preferred in general, *if* you are making something to work as a gem ... which actually seems like a pretty good thing to do.
<shevy>
yeah
<shevy>
.gemspec is super simple, you only have to write one file and you are done
<diegoviola>
right, thanks
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<shevy>
bundler is more like a big fat thing
<shevy>
you can, I think, also generate .gemspec from bundler?
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<shevy>
but actually it is a subclass of Object right
<shevy>
so it should be more expensive
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<pipework>
how about learn2benchmark
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<joelteon>
hi, when i build therubyracer using system v8 on osx, the resulting init.bundle doesn't have a reference to libv8 so it can't load any v8 symbols
<joelteon>
what can i do
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<benlieb>
when I use an array as a hash key, how do I later access that key? x = {[1, 2]=>1}
<benlieb>
jhass: i thought I tried that and it choked, but trying it now, seems to work. user error.
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<benlieb>
how about an even better question. I'm rolling my own frequency distribution class, because I can't find any (well, one bad one) in the ruby libs. Any suggestions?
<centrx>
benlieb, RSRuby?
<benlieb>
so if I have an array of arrays, and want to know the feequency of the sub arrays, which way is a good way to go?
<benlieb>
centrx: will look...
<tectonic>
frequency of the subarrays as unique tokens? e.g., how many times does [1, 2] show up?
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<benlieb>
centrx: RSRuby looks cool, but I don't have R installed, and that's would be way overkill for my particular need right now. It's nice to know about tho. I think I'm looking for something that basically quacks like an array, but has methods for inspecting the frequency so mydist << [1,2,3]; mydist.frequency([1,2,3])
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