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<wallerdev>
i get so frustrated by apps that arent native, because they reimplement existing things and try to make them look right but theyre always missing features or slow or just annoying in general
<shevy>
wallerdev you are right, even javascript is supported
<shevy>
you wanna leave commandline?
<shevy>
or not
<shevy>
:D
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<shevy>
eam I don't know why but games in ruby seem damn hard
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<eam>
it's because it's incredibly slow and you can't manage memory properly
<shevy>
hmmm
<eam>
perl/python have reference counting so you can actually do what you need to
<shevy>
perhaps it is time to switch to python
<eam>
perl is better
<shevy>
eh
<shevy>
we have ruby
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<peret>
you know what i like the best about perl?
<peret>
Nothing, perl sucks.
<shevy>
that the code looks like snoopy swearing?
<shevy>
it is just cryptic
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<eam>
let's be honest, it's a lot less cryptic than ruby
<shevy>
the $ alone
<shevy>
why can't I do:
<eam>
ruby has the same $
<shevy>
foo = 'hey'
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<shevy>
my $foo = 'hey';
<eam>
shevy: you can, but that's modifying a constant
<eam>
ruby uses sigels as hungarian notation for class/scope, perl uses them to denote the three primary types scalar/hash/array
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<_0xf>
Anybody else having RES increase more the longer Ruby is running in 2.1.2?
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<iamjarvo>
what would be the best way to grab the first and last element of an array and throw away the middle using destructuring name = "first middle last"; first_name, last_name = name.split throw away middle
<iamjarvo>
hrm i didnt know you could slurp the middle
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<benzrf>
y not
<benzrf>
its not like ruby cares about politeness
<iamjarvo>
benzrf i thought i tried it
<iamjarvo>
haha maybe i started and gave up
<iamjarvo>
or did it wrong
<iamjarvo>
thanks
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<godd2>
I know I can capture system output with output = `ls`, and ls returns a string, but some system calls don't return a string yet do produce output, like `aplay`. How do I capture that output if it doesn't return a string like ls does?
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<pontiki>
you can capture anything send to stderr and stdout
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<pontiki>
what is aplay?
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<godd2>
it's a cli for ALSA
<godd2>
so I can see what sound devices are present
<godd2>
If there aren't any sound devices, I want to know ahead of time so that I can tell the user
<godd2>
before I try to open a device that doesnt exist
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<godd2>
in irb if I do `aplay -l` it will print "aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found..." but the return value is =>""
<pontiki>
it's probably being sent to stderr then instead of stdout
<godd2>
hmm. How do I have a system call return from stderr?
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<pontiki>
you'll want to look at the open3 stdlib
<pontiki>
or you could simply do `aplay -l 2>&1` to get stdout and stderr merged
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<godd2>
perrrrfect
<godd2>
That did it, thanks!
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<barhum2013>
Hello all, I am posting to an API with net/http but my parameters get all messed up and they are separated by a “ \ ”. How can I keep the integrity of my params once posted?
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<tiriel>
Hi!
<tiriel>
Is this a good place for a question about rails + postgresql or is there a better channel?
<tiriel>
better as in more appropriate for the question, of course :)
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<pontiki>
tiriel: #rubyonrails is the official channel
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<tiriel>
pontiki: thanks
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<dopiee>
hey all
<dopiee>
modules cannot be a subclass of a class correct?
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<pontiki>
err, what?
<dopiee>
i cant do
<dopiee>
module Hand < Deck
<pontiki>
oh, no, i don't think so
<dopiee>
just tried it and it didnt work
<pontiki>
modules don't have inheritence
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<wasamasa>
zenspider: you need to fix the issue I've handed in :P
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<godd2>
Yay, I added germ version, travis-ci, coveralls, code climate, and gemnasium badges to my gem: https://github.com/RSMP/sound
<godd2>
gem* version
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<Hanmac>
godd2: there is also openhub where i have one of my projects https://www.openhub.net/p/sfml-ruby/widgets ... but i dont know how to integrate them nicely into the github repo ... and about the other badges i also not know if they would work with my gem ...
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<jheg>
o/
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<jheg>
variable scope question guys
<jheg>
is this def enough?
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<Hanmac>
jheg: make a gist what you want
<jheg>
variables declared inside a do end block are not available outside of the block
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<jheg>
it's more of a question regarding the rules
<jheg>
rather than specific code
<apeiros>
jheg: then make examples
<apeiros>
and best you test-run those examples
<apeiros>
and maybe most of your questions are already answered by that
<jheg>
ok
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<godd2>
In my defense, I'm using ffi extensively to wrap native sound library calls :)
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<Hanmac>
yeah ... i had used gems that used swig before ... until i noticed that is does a shit about protecting from Segfaults ... so i did write my gems from hand myself
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<godd2>
Wow, openhub makes it pretty easy to add all the repos to a project, and then shows all kinds of stats. This is freakin sweet.
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<jheg>
i just pushed to github and realised there is some large files in there i didn't mean to push anyone know if I can interrupt the push and undo back to the add stage?
<jhass>
if still pushing just hit ctrl+c
<jheg>
thanks jhass but will that undo the commit or just interrupt ?
<jhass>
no, run git reset HEAD~1
<jhass>
it just interrupts
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<jhass>
the reset will give you the staging area before the commit
<jheg>
perfect thanks!
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<user2342>
try to load a file with open-uri. On machine A the commands from the pastebin all work, on machine B I get the schown error: http://pastebin.com/q2aZijpV
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<user2342>
Would somebody help please. I have no idea anymore,
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<toretore>
why --no-proxy?
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<user2342>
toretore: env | grep -i proxy shows a proxy. but the wget command also works without --no-proxy
<user2342>
increasing the timeout to @node_read = open(@node_url, 'r', :read_timeout=>30).read shows the same error, wheras the wget is fast
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<apeiros>
I don't think open-uri respects proxy and no_proxy envs
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<user2342>
apeiros: It has options for proxy's. they are not set, and the script worked for months.
<user2342>
could it have something to do with a restart of the machine?
<ptrrr>
is there some way to make this look better?
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<jhass>
you can drop the self.'s
<apeiros>
remove all the pointless 'self.' s
<ptrrr>
thanks, I figured I could do that
<apeiros>
also since you don't actually use the option arg, make it options=nil. so ruby doesn't needlessly create an empty hash
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<ptrrr>
can I do anything about the { and }?
<apeiros>
^5 jhass
<jhass>
^ 5
<user2342>
got it: @node_read = open(@node_url, 'r', :proxy=>false).read works. but why was proxy=> false not necessary until now?
<jhass>
ptrrr: no
<ptrrr>
alright
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<ptrrr>
thanks
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<HelperW>
Hey.
<HelperW>
I have a question. I can do PHP programming but I heard a lot that website also been created by ruby.
<HelperW>
I gues that is RoR wich is based on Ruby?
<HelperW>
What role is ror doing in webdev? Everything?
<apeiros>
RoR is one popular way to create websites, yes
<apeiros>
it's a webframework
<HelperW>
It's a webframework like Laravel/Symfony/CI/.. ? But not in PHP
<apeiros>
afaik symfony was created after seeing rails
<jhass>
you can make a website in any programming language. Some just have better tools for it, some don't have any at all and you need to start from scratch
<HelperW>
Is there a thing I should learn RoR when you know PHP?
<HelperW>
Are the big pro's?
<jhass>
start learning Ruby (without rails) first
<jhass>
then decide which language you like better
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<jhass>
most people that know ruby and php prefer ruby
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<eam>
what would we use all these programming languages for if it weren't for websites
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<user2342>
how can i show what open-uri has set for :proxy ?
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<toretore>
don't use open-uri, use net/http
<user2342>
toretore: ok.only to learn: how can i show the uses proxy. I want to know if it's nil on machine A and .. on machine B
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<wasamasa>
eam: getting shit done
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<pangur>
In a line such as address.each{|r| puts r.values_at(:title, :fore, :surname, :num, :street).join(' ')}, how do I format :num so that it does not output stuff like 0.145E3 and 0.41E2 but 145 and 41? I have tried putting "%d" % in front of :num.
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<Mon_Ouie>
Is it actuay a float or an integer?
<Mon_Ouie>
Looks like a bigdecimal to me
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<pangur>
jhass, puts [0.145E3, 0.41E2].join(' ') gives me 145.0 41.0
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<jhass>
yeah
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<jhass>
not 0.145E3 as you stated
<pangur>
The number after the E seems to be the number of digits before the decimal point.
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<DefV>
that's scientific notation for
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<pangur>
I do not understand. 0.145E3 gives me 145.0 when using join.
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<DefV>
<i>E<n> == i * 10**n
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<jhass>
pangur: exactly. but you said it wouldn't
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<jhass>
"does not output stuff like 0.145E3 and 0.41E2 but 145 and 41" implies it outputs "0.145E3" for you
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<pangur>
However address.each{|r| puts r.values_at(:title, :fore, :surname, :num, :street).join(' ')} gives me stuff like Mrs Agnes Davis 0.17E2 Street
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<jhass>
what does p r[:num].class say?
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* Hanmac
smells rails
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<pangur>
p r[:num].class gives me BigDecimal
<jhass>
Hanmac: you do that everywhere
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<Hanmac>
jhass: because it is the problem in most of the cases
<pangur>
I am using only Sequel - not rails.
<jhass>
pangur: I'd go with puts "%s %s %s %d %s" % r.values_at(.... then
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<pangur>
ah, thanks, jhass.
<Hanmac>
pangur: imo check if yo can change the class of num, BigDecimal in the case of SteetNum is overkill imo
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<pangur>
I was using NUMERIC as the type. Should I use integer instead?
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<jhass>
what db?
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<Hanmac>
hm imo that might be better ... i not know what lower type you can use, maybe SHORTINT or similar? like for sample i didnt see a streetnumber with more than 3 didgits
<pangur>
sqlit3
<pangur>
sqlite3
<jhass>
sqlite doesn't have more number types
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<jhass>
integer is just an alias to numeric, basically
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<DefV>
maasha: ^^^
<maasha>
DefV: thanks
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<apeiros>
that's a very slow way…
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<apeiros>
.dup.tap { |h| h.delete(key) }
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<DefV>
true
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<mikecmpbll>
what happens if a thread tries to access a mutex.synchronize block while another thread is inside it?
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<workmad3>
mikecmpbll: it'll block
<mikecmpbll>
so it'll just wait until it's free?
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<workmad3>
mikecmpbll: yup
<mikecmpbll>
ok! ta.
<workmad3>
mikecmpbll: hopefully you won't have deadlock ;)
<mikecmpbll>
yeah, so there's no inbuilt timeout or anything.
<workmad3>
mikecmpbll: don't think so
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<jhass>
there isn't and I think timeout stdlib still isn't thread safe
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<workmad3>
mikecmpbll: looking at the docs for mutex, the only real failure case is if you try to lock or synchronize the same mutex twice in one thread (which will raise an exception)
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<pontiki>
how are you choosing to the new ruby version?
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<wasamasa>
by /quitting
<pontiki>
s/to//
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<txdv>
I look at the news, see that 2.1.2 is out and then install it
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<apeiros>
pontiki: hu?
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<apeiros>
I just install the newest version. if all still runs, I use it.
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<pontiki>
well, i was trying to figure out why fshuindt couldn't do that
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<pontiki>
but they're gone, so let's all party instead!
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<mostlybadfly>
Haaaaay party
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<apeiros>
pontiki: oh, lol, it wasn't a question from you to the channel… I see
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<pontiki>
i have this annoying habit of not addressing the last person asking a question directly
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<apeiros>
usually not a problem… but with ~40 lines in between…
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<pontiki>
i have all the join/part/quit stuff turned off
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<apeiros>
can't :(
<pontiki>
:(
* apeiros
still wants smart join/part/quit messages
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<pontiki>
some client i was poking at purported to only ignore such from idle folks
<pontiki>
but it didn't actually work
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<ddv>
I want to know when apeiros parts, so we can have some fun in here while he's gone :P
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<jhass>
pontiki: pidgin has a plugin for that, weechat seems to able to do that too
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<wasamasa>
workmad3: oh wow, I figured out rails' collectionproxies and I guess I'll use those
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<workmad3>
wasamasa: heh :)
<pontiki>
i think it was weechat i was looking at
<apeiros>
köllektschn?
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<snorkra>
im trying to run a program which is using ruby and get: Could not find i18n-0.6.9 in any of the sources, Run `bundle install` to install missing gems.
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<apeiros>
snorkra: and did you run `bundle install`?
<snorkra>
I then run bundle install in the /usr/share/myprogram folder which succseeds
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<snorkra>
but the program stil dont work
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<apeiros>
how do you run the program? you probably have to prefix it with `bundle exec`
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<snorkra>
apeiros: i runt it normaly, and it used to work this way
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<snorkra>
apeiros: tried the prefix but it just gave a lot of error
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<apeiros>
snorkra: "a lot of error" and "dont work" is not a description I can work with.
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<apeiros>
the bundle install did not give an error?
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<snorkra>
apeiros: true, but the program should not normaly be executed by bundle exec MyProgram, that is for sure:)
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<snorkra>
apeiros: The bundle install worked after i installed som libs, but if I also need to run bundle install elsewhere is not clear to me:S
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<snorkra>
apeiros: i dont know what "sources" it is looking into while executing but there probaly is a trivial solution to get i18n-0.6.9 there if you know the ruby enviorment?:S
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<snorkra>
apeiros: Thanks for helping me out btw:)
<apeiros>
one of the top lines of the Gemfile states the sources. and that's almost universally rubygems.org
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<pmac_>
Hello, I was wondering if someone could help me: I need to find out the best way to execute a program (ffmpeg) that lets me reliably: 1. run multiple instances simultaneously (as started by a loop). 2. Let me run it so I can suppress/redirect the output so it doesn’t flood the terminal window. 3. Terminate it so it doesn’t zombie. Any suggestions?
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<pontiki>
pmac_: look at the open3 stdlib for part deux
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<pmac_>
thanks
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<snorkra>
apeiros: yes it is rubygems.org, so the "gem" needed does not exist in the repo?
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<snorkra>
apeiros: I think i have spotted the problem, bundle install installs Using i18n 0.6.5
<snorkra>
apeiros: but the program is looking for i18n-0.6.9
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<jhass>
snorkra: which program and how did you install it
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<snorkra>
jhass: it is msfconsole, preinstalled on kali linux
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<snorkra>
jhass: in the lockfile this line is stated: i18n (~> 0.6, >= 0.6.4), can i update the lockfile naually and get a newer version on bundle install?
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<jhass>
snorkra: reach out to the support channels for Kali and/or Metasploit
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<snorkra>
jhass: thanks
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<_JamieD_>
Hi, I need to write a system that will spin up a cloud based VM, wait until the VM is ready, give it a bunch or work to do then shut down the VM. With the huge host of different server build/automation option available currently what would people recommend in order to achieve this? A primary concern is that the VM’s can be ready to use ASAP so using something like chef would not be ideal due to it’s slow build time. What
<_JamieD_>
other options should I consider?
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: what's this about a 'slow build time' for chef?
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<_JamieD_>
workmad3: I’m talking chef build vs booting up a pre-built image
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: nothing says you can't combine the two :P
<_JamieD_>
chef could be used to build and maintain the image used
<workmad3>
_JamieD_: e.g. pre-built base image followed by customising the booted VM with chef
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: although it'll depend on how much variation you need
<workmad3>
_JamieD_: you could also look at docker, but not sure what cloud VPSes support them yetn
<workmad3>
*yet
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: I was more wondering why it was you thought chef was slow, but I think you mean that if you have a lot of stuff to do (e.g. installing or compiling dozens/hundreds of packages) then it can take a while... which is true of any automation :)
<_JamieD_>
workmad3: I’ve looked at docker a few times but I can’t seem to get my head around why it’s useful. I’ve used chef for many years but can’t see how docker provides much of a benefit
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<_JamieD_>
workmad3: indeed, that’s the slow part, but if the image has all the slow parts pre-built then that won’t be an issue
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: my understanding is that docker can essentially provide composable images
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: so you could layer different docker containers over each other to customise, avoiding the need for a combinatorial explosion of images to maintain
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: but I've not looked at it in-depth, so I could be way off base :)
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<_JamieD_>
the other reason I’m not keen on chef is that the number of nodes needing to be managed could get into the high 100’s at any one time, which would start getting rather expensive with the chef platform
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: for your setup, I'd have suggested using chef-solo tbh
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: but if you wanted a client-server version, there's always self-hosted chef (what I use)
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<_JamieD_>
I find chef-solo a PITA, there’s usually a feature I need to use that’s missing and only available in the client-server version
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<_JamieD_>
I’ve not looked at the self hosted chef server in a while, not sine it was running on Merb!
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<workmad3>
_JamieD_: it's really easy to set up since they released omnibus installers for it all :)
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<rdavila>
Hi guys, do you know some way to escape strings with regular expressions but adding some exceptions at the same time?
<rdavila>
for instance, I want to escape this string:
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<ght>
Question: I have a string, appointment_start, that is returned by an API with a default-formatted time value. I also have the user's timezone stored in type ActiveSupport::TimeZone.
<ght>
I've been working on this off and on for a few days, researching a variety of Time, DateTime, and TimeZone methods, as well as string splitting. Can any of you recommend the best method for performing this task?
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<centrx>
ght, I would assume the best practice is to convert the time zone
<centrx>
ght, Otherwise, you can do things in Rails/ActiveSupport like: Time.now + 5.hours
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<centrx>
ght, Also #rubyonrails for Rails
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<nobitanobi>
people, any of you guys have experience with template systems? I am trying to find one that would let me dynamically modify the template (a user could be able to do so). I have found Liquid.
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<ght>
Simply need to somehow add the UTC offset to the hour field in a string. Happy to convert the string to another type, then back to string, as needed.
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<centrx>
ght, Use Time.strptime(str, str_format) to convert the string into a Time
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<ght>
centrx: interesting, will give that a shot, thank you.
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<centrx>
ght, There might be a pre-set combination you can use if "2014-08-08T17:00:00Z" is a standard format, but sometimes those are hard to find
<ght>
ok, reviewing.
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<ght>
centrx: But here's the thing. According to that documentation, Time.strftime is going to simply return a string based on inserted parameters, not return a Time object that I can then use to add the timezone UTC offset to the hour field.
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<centrx>
ght, strptime vs strftime
<ght>
ahh
<centrx>
ght, P for Parse, F for Format
<ght>
I see, thank you.
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<dserodio>
I'm trying to troubleshoot a build problem, and I'm a Ruby newbie. When I run "bundle install", it creates vendor/bundle/ruby/2.1.0 but I'm running Ruby 2.1.1. Could this be a problem?
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<mechanicalduck>
hi
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<mechanicalduck>
How can I escape a given string in ruby to be used as file name?
<eam>
in general, unix filesystems can use any characters other than / or \0
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<eam>
they largely deal in bytes, not encodings
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<eam>
i should say any bytes other than
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<eam>
there are a few exceptions, like I think jfs may have been encoding aware
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<coca_rails>
Hey all im considering using Constellio or Blacklight as a full-text search tool. Any other/better suggestions?
<jhass>
anyway, : is not a problem
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<mechanicalduck>
hi again
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<mechanicalduck>
I want to use ruby erb templates (stand alone) and I can pass bindings to it.
<mechanicalduck>
So a binding is a ruby hash?
<mechanicalduck>
Because it doesn't like the hash I pass to it.
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<jhass>
No, Binding is an object that represents and provides access to a scope in ruby. You can get a Binding instance for the current scope with the binding method
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<apeiros>
mechanicalduck: see Binding and Kernel#binding
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<markit>
hi, not strictly ruby related but I know here there are some regular expression wizards :) I've a string like "Release 8.0.7.GA.6021.UBUNTU12.64 UBUNTU12_64 FOSS edition." and I want to extract the "8.0" (only) part, how can I do?
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<waxjar>
is the string always in that format?
<centrx>
/^Release (\d\.\d)\.\d\.GA.UBUNTU/
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<markit>
waxjar: yes
<markit>
centrx: let me test
<centrx>
there must be some definition of the different possible formats
<apeiros>
I'd probably go for \d+
<waxjar>
that string[8..10] might just work as well :)
<waxjar>
*then
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<mechanicalduck>
OK, how can I pass a simple hash to a erb template?
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<markit>
waxjar: lol, but version number could be 10.05 in the future
<waxjar>
aye, good one :p
<mechanicalduck>
The binding way requires some classes and other complicated stuff (as I could understand from the tutorials about it).
<centrx>
It could also change to "Release FoxyRabbit 11.8"
<mechanicalduck>
anyone?
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<centrx>
mechanicalduck, How are you rendering the template?
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<mechanicalduck>
centrx: ERB.new(template)
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<godd2>
If they add Rails to the standard library, will we have to answer rails questions in here?
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<jhass>
won't happen godd2
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<godd2>
Ill put down "doesn't like vacuous premises" for jhass
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<shevy>
invalid byte sequence in US-ASCII (ArgumentError)
<shevy>
my most hated error in ruby
<markit>
mm forive my ignorance, but if I have myvar='Release 8.0.7.GA.6021.UBUNTU12.64 UBUNTU12_64 FOSS edition", how can I assign to variable "secondvariable" the regexp result ?
<markit>
I'm googling but can't find at the 5° try
<waxjar>
mary5030: you access values with hash[key], not hash.key
<shevy>
yeah, OpenStruct is also good mary5030 - you can set those variables as methods
<mary5030>
ah
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<mary5030>
thanks everyone this was helpful
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<shevy>
mary5030 actually did before :) aliases["aliases"]
<shevy>
but inside the .map mary5030 then used .ip rather than ["ip"]
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<mary5030>
yes my bad thanks
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<godd2>
jhass: It depends on the function. Sometimes func_a wouldn't actually be used by CoolClass, other times it would and expects Win32 or Linux to override it. That way if someone wants to come in and make a CoolClassInterface::MacOS, they would know which methods need to do stuff.
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<jhass>
godd2: in the later case don't define it, see duck typing. Instead write docs that explain the needed interface
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<jhass>
godd2: if it's just for one class define it in that class
<jhass>
and include the os specific models in the class
<jhass>
if it's used by more than one class, I'd prefer your first version
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<godd2>
Okay but no matter what, it would be bad/awkward to include a module when you're nested inside it?
<pipework>
Only if that's what you actually need.
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<jhass>
not too much
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<shevy>
godd2 I like to try and be explicit in my own modules when I include them
<shevy>
module Foo; module Bar; end; class Ble; end
<shevy>
I might then even do a include Foo::Bar inside a second class
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<shevy>
that resides in Foo, simply because I don't like to have to think which module Bar is meant if I would do include Bar
<godd2>
I ended up doing it that way. I figured it was a bit of a design choice at this level.
<lupine>
I tend to root absolutely everything
<lupine>
so ::Foo::Bar
<godd2>
Thanks for all your input :)
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<pipework>
I'd have to see the code in question to get a better idea.
<godd2>
My Sound::DeviceInterface expects something like Sound::DeviceInterface::Win32 to implement #open_device
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<godd2>
Lemme push the code and get you a link pipework
<godd2>
and then in lib/sound/device_interface/win32.rb you can see an example
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<shevy>
lupine hmm isn't the leading :: ugly?
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<godd2>
I was playing with different ways of informing the developer
<kephra>
moin - I wonder, if I could find somebody here, who takes my already compiling and working Ruby to C binding to implement Wylie transliteration for Tibetan - and moves things around in this code that its also a valid GEM, or produce a valid GEM
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<kephra>
http://kephra.de/src/WylieUTF8/ <- the problem: I want to keep all bindings together in one source package. Qt, GTK, Ruby, PHP, Python and Lua
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<kephra>
so the upstream package will never become a GEM itself, I think - but it should be able to produce a GEM
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<kephra>
unfortunate - I have no clue about Ruby ;-)
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<shevy>
I don't quite get what you want
<shevy>
you wanna end up with some .gem file?
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<shevy>
and a user then would have to compile the bindings natively?
<shevy>
(during the gem install step)
<kephra>
yes
<shevy>
ok
<shevy>
eam here has been playing with this kind of things the last some days
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<lupine>
shevy, I don't really mind it
<kephra>
the current status is, that you can download the .zip and type `make ruby` and then have a binding that could be tested on command line
<shevy>
usually the logic for compiling/addons is put into extconf.rb
<lupine>
and it beats trying to understand ruby's module scoping rules
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<shevy>
inside it you have queries like whether header files are available: have_header('linux/inotify.h')
<shevy>
aha
<kephra>
shevy, I already have an extconf.rb
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<shevy>
so that 'make ruby' step already works?
<shevy>
as in it would create some .so file?
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<banister>
lupine rails sometimes requires explicit leading :: due to the broken const autoloading logic
<kephra>
yes, code compiles, loads and works - it just not packaged as a gem
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<shevy>
\o/
<kephra>
and it has no ruby regression test yet - only Qt regression test
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<kephra>
I think/hope GEMs must contain regression test and documentation in a ruby standard way
<shevy>
normally it is created from a .gemspec file
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<shevy>
so you may probably need a .gemspec file - an alternative could be to use bundler, but I don't know how bundler creates a .gem file
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<kephra>
so I hope I can just delegate this step here to someone who did build many gems before - and for whom it would be just adding a few lines to the makefile to provide a `make gem` step that repackages parts of my source to look and work like a GEM
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<shevy>
I would not know how to create a .gem without a .gemspec file
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<kephra>
I've looked at ruby in the early days. Nice Smalltalk like language with simpler syntax - but the implementation repeated to many errors of 'a little smalltalk' out of the book, e.g. garbage collector
<kephra>
I later started to hate Rails, as it plays badly against Debian security updates, and even breaks application on own rake/gem security update
<kephra>
I mainly want to focus on the C side - and Ruby will only be one of a dozen languages ( and not one that I use myself also )
<shevy>
I am not sure of a simpler way, but I think bundler might do some more stuff, I don't know, you could try to ask in #bundler perhaps
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<godd2>
gosh I'm an idiot. Why didn't I ever think to use Time.now.strftime for spec.date
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<shevy>
there are not that many folks here with C + ruby knowledge, you could wait for eam :)
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<shevy>
eam wake up man
<pontiki>
usually the answer comes after the question, godd2 :>
<pontiki>
unless we're playing Jeopardy!
<jhass>
shevy: while bundler does provide some helpers for building gems, its primary focus is installing gems and ensuring only a specified set of gems can be loaded. It doesn't built gems, it provides helpers for doing so with rubygems
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<apeiros>
kephra, godd2: as per drbrain (maintainer of rubygems) himself: do NOT put spec.date in your gemspec.
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<shevy>
godd2 don't know what is spec.date but I saw the Time.now stuff in some other gem out there and found it nicer than having to manually type the current date
<jhass>
postmodern: just do symbol.to_s == string
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<kephra>
*ok* next related question, how are gems published - is there something like CPAN with a PAUSE/TESTER team that constrains minimal code quality?
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<shevy>
on the bottom right side you see the dependences, that can also be found in the .gemspec file
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<shevy>
and the description or summary field becomes the main description (on top) at that site automatically
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<shevy>
kephra what is the base name of your project?
<shevy>
"iron monkey" perhaps? :)
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<shevy>
"angry duck"
<shevy>
"gaudy gorilla"
<shevy>
ubuntu names
<kephra>
shevy, WylieUTF8 *oups* I know Ruby does not like camel case
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<kephra>
but the complete project is not Ruby specific
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<shevy>
I'd register that name anyway as a dummy
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<shevy>
then whenever you make changes to your code, that WylieUTF8 can become updated too
<kephra>
*ok*
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<shevy>
though I guess people won't do a direct "gem install WylieUTF8", they will probably only go through your way of how you will provide WylieUTF8 to them
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<shevy>
but it's not so important, I think you will need only one file, the .gemspec
<godd2>
anyone have an opinion on wercker vs travis?
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<shevy>
never heard of wercker before
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<onewheelskyward>
godd2 pulse
<godd2>
pulse?
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<onewheelskyward>
It's another CI I'd recommend long before Jenkins.
<wasamasa>
looks like their developers aren't linux users
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<hj2008>
what should I do to avoid this error in pry - "Gem::LoadError: Unable to activate opengraph-0.0.4, because nokogiri-1.6.3.1 conflicts with nokogiri (~> 1.4.0)"
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<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
I guess there is a specific depeendency requirement
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<shevy>
that's why my .gemspec never use ~>
<shevy>
I think there is a way to force gem to ignore this
<shevy>
perhaps gem install -f
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<shevy>
I think there is also a way at runtime loading
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<shevy>
hmm
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<shevy>
this is related to bundler hj2008? as in do you use bundler?
<hj2008>
shevy, you mean to have it in Gemfile and then do bundle install and then proceed?
<shevy>
oh I don't use a Gemfile
<shevy>
but in my .gemspec I setup the dependencies without ~>
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<jhass>
hj2008: iirc my pry doesn't require nokogiri by itself, so try just requiring opengraph without requiring nokogiri first
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<waxjar>
node's package system works around that issue neatly
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<jhass>
if that doesn't work writing a Gemfile and using bundle exec would work but seems cumbersome
<shevy>
javascript is better
<waxjar>
i wouldn't go that far shevy :p
<hj2008>
jhass: yes but when I require 'mida' first, then I get this error
<jhass>
hj2008: then don't require it first, require opengraph first
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<hj2008>
jhass: if I require mida afterwards, then I get "Gem::LoadError: Unable to activate mida-0.3.8, because nokogiri-1.4.7 conflicts with nokogiri (>= 1.5)" while requiring mida
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<waxjar>
what other gem are you using that needs nokogiri 1.4.7?
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<jhass>
then try writing a Gemfile and bundle exec pry to see if the conflicts are resolvable at all
<jhass>
sometimes you just can't use two gems together
<mechanicalduck_>
I just want to pass a hash - so can I somehow wrap the hash in an empty scope?
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<jhass>
hj2008: the opengraph_parser gem might be an alternative to opengraph that doesn't have an as strict requirement on nokogiri
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<hj2008>
jhass, wax jar: I'm trying putting both gems in Gemfile and doing bundle exec pry, require 'mida' is giving NameError: uninitialized constant Mida::Vocabulary::PropertyDesc, do investigating that
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<waxjar>
i don't see the problem, instead of trying to use mida and nokogiri 1.4.7, why not use mida and nokogiri 1.5.x ?
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<hj2008>
waxjar: I have nokogiri (1.6.3.1, 1.6.2.1, 1.6.1, 1.4.7)
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<hj2008>
waxjar: should I remove 1.4.7 to make it work fine?
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<waxjar>
you're either specifying that you want to use 1.4.7 somewhere or using a third gem that relies on it i think
<jhass>
waxjar: read the initial messages, opengraph specifies ~> 1.4.0 or so and he was requiring that
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<waxjar>
ah, ok. i didn't see that
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<jeramyRR>
anyone here in North Carolina?
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<wallerdev>
ive been to north carolina
<wallerdev>
raleigh
<wallerdev>
they have good bbq there
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<nobitanobi>
haha
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<nobitanobi>
Anyone has used Liquid as a template engine? I can't find a way to pass a file to the parse method. @template = Liquid::Template.parse("hi {{name}}")
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