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<apeiros> toretore: don't tell me you don't see that that's a rather huge difference.
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<apeiros> also don't tell me you haven't noticed that in JS you don't ever need any mutexes, monitors or other synchronization mechanisms…
<lolmaus> machty: well, it is a form of self-irony
<machty> lolmaus: might as well call yourself loln00b
<lolmaus> machty: that would be too much, also being a noob does not describe me as a person.
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<robscormack> mutexes, monitors, etc?
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<robscormack> aspirin = Aspirin.new
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<apeiros> robscormack: a mutex basically ensures that a piece of code is only ever executed by a single thread at one time. if multiple threads try to execute it concurrently, they're forced to execute it sequentially
<robscormack> apeiros: I know :)
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<apeiros> oh, lol, I forgot the sleep in my runner.
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<magic> Is there a library for Ruby that prints to printers?
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<havenwood> magic: cups wrapper
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<havenwood> magic: is linux only okay? :P
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<benzrf> havenwood: id just like to interject for a moment
<benzrf> what youre referring to as linux is, in fact, gnu/linux
<benzrf> or as ive taken to calling it, gnu plus linux
<havenwood> benzrf: point taken
<havenwood> benzrf: eww
<benzrf> havenwood: wait have u not heard that copypasta before
<mozzarella> I love rms
<mozzarella> we need more people like him
<havenwood> though i suppose win has cups, not just gnu/linux
<havenwood> benzrf: lets just call it gnu, drop the linux part
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<havenwood> benzrf: in more formal speech i do use the full name, but i'm not much of stickler. easy to use a part for a whole informally, even if there's a good reason not to.
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<benzrf> synecdoche more like synecdouchey
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<magic> havenwood: I'd rather multi platform
<magic> But Linux only is okay for now :p
<havenwood> i gnu that...
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<benzrf> i thought you gnu better
<magic> Linus says Linux so I say Linux :p
<benzrf> linus is a big ol shithead
<benzrf> err, asshat
<benzrf> hmm
<magic> He's still the guy with the copyright :p
<benzrf> if your hat is an ass, does that mean that your head is shit
<benzrf> shithead <=> asshat
<benzrf> fascinating new scientific discovery
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<magic> Am I good to ask Rails questions here, or is there another channel for that?
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<benzrf> >>>#rails
<Mon_Robot> benzrf: => SyntaxError: (eval):1: syntax error, unexpected '>'... (https://eval.in/172256)
<magic> #rails isn't a thing
<magic> Just tried :p
<benzrf> maybe i meant #rubyonrails
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<chrishough> is there a handy way to use the link_to where you only need the href value it returns?
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<fly2web> puts vs print, whick is most used in ruby?
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<benzrf> fly2web: whichever one you need
<fly2web> i don’t know.
<fly2web> i think that print is good and there is no ‘\n'
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<fly2web> Constants are word of first letter capitalizing instead of all letter capitalizing?
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<fly2web> http://mislav.uniqpath.com/poignant-guide/book/chapter-3.html —> this site is good. thanks for introducing it to me.
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<magic> So I have a really really basic question. I've installed a gem, and I want to use the code from it.
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<magic> A simple require of the name of the gem doesn't work. How do I troubleshoot that?
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<havenwood> magic: What's the gem?
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<tmcgoo> de
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<tmcgoo> how do i reset a rails test database? and does the seed.rb file write to the test database?
<havenwood> magic: but anyways, i'd look at the gemspec gem.name if they didn't follow gem naming convention
<magic> havenwood: The cups emulation layer
<magic> havenwood: I did 'gem install cups' and in my app i do 'require 'cups'
<magic> That fails with file not found
<havenwood> tmcgoo: you might also ask in #rubyonrails, a better channel for rails stuff
<magic> Though there is a cups.so in the gem
<magic> And what's a gemspec?
<tmcgoo> i cant indenty to get into rails
<havenwood> tmcgoo: you just need to register your nick
<tmcgoo> such a bad user experience getting into registered channels
<tmcgoo> i have but i forget how to identify
<magic> havenwood: So does that mean I should require 'cups'? Sorry, I'm a programmer but very new to Ruby
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<havenwood> magic: yes, for that gem
<magic> havenwood: But yet it fails in my app
<tmcgoo> NickServ indentify Penline1
<tmcgoo> derp
<magic> Oops
<magic> Do /msg nickserv identify <mypassword>
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<havenwood> magic: What's your Ruby version?: ruby -v
<tmcgoo> finally in
<magic> And then change it with /msg nickserv set password <newpassword>
<magic> Cause we all just saw it
<tmcgoo> i have to join a random channel, msg nick there, then go rails, so silly irc
<magic> havenwood: 2.1.2
<drizz> all I saw was tmcgoo: NickServ indentify ********
<tmcgoo> msg nickserv set password Penliner1
<magic> drizz: hunter2-ing my hunter2?
<tmcgoo> ffs
<havenwood> magic: is your app using Bundler?
<drizz> magic: mayhaps
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<magic> havenwood: I think so. I have a gemfile.
<havenwood> magic: aha. using RVM?
<magic> havenwood: Nope.
<magic> just plain ol' Ruby
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<havenwood> magic: gem list rubygems-bunder
<havenwood> oops
<havenwood> magic: gem list rubygems-bundler
<havenwood> magic: i'm just curious if you're automagically getting `bundle exec`ed
<magic> havenwood: Just prints "*** LOCAL GEMS ***" and a bunch of whitespace
<havenwood> magic: but anyways, add it to your Gemfile
<magic> I did "bundle install"
<magic> What does bundle exec do?
<magic> I added it to gemfile
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<magic> Sorry for all the silly questions.
<havenwood> "Exec runs a command, providing it access to the gems in the bundle. While using bundle exec you can require and call the bundled gems as if they were installed into the systemwide Rubygems repository."
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<havenwood> magic: So you run a command in the context of the bundle with: bundle exec ...
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<havenwood> magic: some setups have it such that bundle exec is automatic, there're gems that do it and RVM ships with it so it's pretty common to see
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<havenwood> rubygems-bundler, rbenv-bundle-exec, etc
<magic> havenwood: I think that might have worked...
<magic> I don't know yet. one sec
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<fly2web> vacant hash, and list are []? it is same?
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<magic> havenwood: Cool! Thanks! :)
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<fly2web> i don’t know this meaning normal[:zig]
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<fly2web> normal[:zig]?
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<fly2web> who can help me?
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<fly2web> normal[:zig] <—— i don’t know the means of :zig
<benzrf> fly2web: its a symbol
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<fly2web> benzrf: what is symbol?
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<tango_> hello all. I would like to know if there is a way to make ruby parsing a script under specific conditions. specifically, I'm writing an .rb file that should act both as a ruby module and as a cli script. In former case, the 'bottom half of the script' should be skipped by ruby. I can do it by wrapping it in if __FILE__ == $0, but that means I have to indent everything. is there something I can use in the from `stop_reading_here unless __FILE__ == $0`?
<benzrf> fly2web: basic ruby stuff
<benzrf> lrn2ruby
<tango_> (I can't use `exit` as `stop_reading_here` because that means obviously that any program requiring the library would exit)
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<fly2web> yes, then what is it? give me example.
<benzrf> :zig is the symbol :zig
<benzrf> just like 3 is the number 3
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<fly2web> benzrf: then ‘:’ have no meaning?
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<fly2web> this book is good?
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<joelbrewer> hey guys, posted a question on SO earlier but it hasn't gained much attention: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/24976900/sinatra-http-auth-nginx
<joelbrewer> if anyone has any insight, I'd appreciate it :)
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<tango_> hm so basically it would seem that what I need is some sort of conditinal __END__
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<tango_> I guess I could do a conditional eval of DATA right before __END__ but that looks UGLY
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<fly2web> if i use python well, then i don’t need ruby?
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<fly2web> this book is good?
<fly2web> i want buy this book
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<cha1tanya> i am trying to setup ruby from source code on my machine
<cha1tanya> i have installed it successfully
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<cha1tanya> but i am having problems in using it with rbenv
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<cha1tanya> how to enable it in a shell
<Wolland> did you install it using rbenv?
<cha1tanya> Wolland: no
<Wolland> that's what it's for
<cha1tanya> i installed it from source using ./configure, make and make install
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<Wolland> 'rbenv install 2.0.0' for example
<Wolland> then it will set all the needed stuff for you
<Wolland> then you use rbenv to switch to that version, set it as global etc
<cha1tanya> Wolland: right, but i want to setup source code for development
<cha1tanya> not sure how to do that
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<Wolland> why do you need to install it from source yourself?
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<Wolland> you either use rbenv, or if you really must install it yourself, you have to put it into correct dir
<cha1tanya> Wolland: just to play with source code
<Wolland> or symlink it
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<cha1tanya> right now its installed in /usr/local/bin
<cha1tanya> i aliased it to sruby, now if i want to launch irb from it, how do i do it
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<havenwood> cha1tanya: Do you want to switch between Rubies or just use the one in /usr/local?
<cha1tanya> havenwood: switch, for other projects i want to use relaeased versions
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<robscormack> cha1tanya: use rbenv.
<cha1tanya> but to just play with source i need /usr/local
<havenwood> cha1tanya: I'd recommend chruby: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby#readme
<Wolland> ~/.rbenv/versions/ is where it needs to be if you want to use rbenv
<robscormack> cha1tanya: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
<Wolland> you can compile from source yourself
<robscormack> if you want to build from sources without using rvm, rbenv or chruby
<cha1tanya> robscormack: i just did that
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<cha1tanya> its compiled successfullt
<robscormack> make
<robscormack> make install
<robscormack> that's all.
<cha1tanya> yes did that
<postmodern> cha1tanya, better source install instructions https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/wiki/Ruby
<robscormack> then /usr/local/bin/ruby --version should give you the version you just compiled
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<cha1tanya> robscormack: yes its giving me correct version, but i am stuck at how do i use it
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<robscormack> exec /usr/local/bin/irb
<robscormack> and use the interactive ruby
<robscormack> or
<fly2web> http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/ <——Wolland i think that this book is easy.
<robscormack> write a Ruby program and put on the first line: #!/usr/local/bin/ruby and it will be executed with that version... not sure what are your requirements
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<cha1tanya> robscormack: i just want to play around ruby source code, nothing much
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<robscormack> let me put it that way: code written in Ruby? or the code that runs Ruby?
<cha1tanya> code that runs ruby
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<Wolland> ruby itself that is
<robscormack> why you need it in /usr/local then?
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<cha1tanya> robscormack: sorry i am confused, my problem is i have installed ruby from source code and i want to use the installed version with already installed version
<cha1tanya> like rbenv shell ruby-dev
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<robscormack> rbenv global system
<robscormack> or
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<cha1tanya> if i make any change to source code and recompile again it should reflect
<cha1tanya> rbenv global is not using dev ruby, it is using 2.0.0, not sure why
<robscormack> because you have 2.0.0 on your system. Mac user, perhaps?
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<robscormack> in your terminal window, write "echo $PATH" without the quotes, you may find that you have /usr/bin/ruby too
<robscormack> (check with "which ruby")
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<cha1tanya> yes which ruby gives - Users/prathamesh/.rbenv/shims/ruby
<robscormack> that is why: you're using the one installed by rbenv
<robscormack> exec "rbenv global system" and run "which ruby" again.
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<robscormack> (although some people finds comfortable to set Ruby globally with rbenv, I wouldn't recommend that. I set it only for my workspace with rbenv local)
<cha1tanya> perfeth
<cha1tanya> solved it using ./configure --prefix="$HOME/.rbenv/versions/ruby-dev"
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<cha1tanya> now its available when i do rbenv versions
<robscormack> cool, nice catch.
<cha1tanya> and i can switch to it using rbenv shell ruby-dev
<cha1tanya> postmodern: that wiki instructions helped :)
<cha1tanya> robscormack: thanks a lot :)
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<robscormack> no problem, I didn't do anything :)
<robscormack> postmodern is the big boss.
<cha1tanya> :)
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<postmodern> cha1tanya, there's also a ./configure option to set a suffix
<postmodern> cha1tanya, --program-suffix=-dev
<postmodern> cha1tanya, that will give you ruby-dev, gem-dev, etc
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<cha1tanya> wow thats cool, checking
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<gogohome> hello
<gogohome> i want learn ruby? how can i do?
<mercwithamouth> install rvm, grab a few ruby books and dive in
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<gogohome> mercwithamouth: what book?
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<robscormack> gogohome: do you have experience programming?
<gogohome> a little
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<robscormack> Peter Cooper wrote a book called "Beginning Ruby". It's good
<gogohome> give me sites
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<robscormack> https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ <- have you ever visited this?
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<gogohome> yes
<gogohome> 1 time
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<robscormack> for a quick start: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/quickstart/ <- this one is magic for people coming from PHP
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<robscormack> and then there is http://190.45.0.104/
<gogohome> where is peter cooper’s
<gogohome> ?
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<gogohome> 2009?
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<gogohome> thanks robscormack
<gogohome> :)
<robscormack> yep, still very helpful
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<magic> Can I do an if in an assignment in ruby?
<magic> Like var = "this" if mybool else "that"
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<diegoviola> mybool ? var = "this" : var = "that"
<diegoviola> something like that?
<Mon_Ouie> var = mybool ? "this" : "that"
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<Mon_Ouie> Or even var = if mybool then "this" else "that" end
<Mon_Ouie> Conditions are expressions in Ruby
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<magic> Which one is the most ruby-like?
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<godd2> Anyone know how to make a pointer to a callback in ffi ? Or does referencing the Proc by name do that for me?
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<fly2web> shevy: what are you doing?
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<popo> hello, any channel specific to forem? #forem seems dead
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<nooteh> hi, can someone please, explain to me or link me to an explanation of path variables? I'm damn confused, sometimes it says undefined path variable and sometimes work… for example having controller AnimalsController and link_to show_animal_url, id doesn't work
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<nooteh> having resources in routes, and rake routes shows it
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<nooteh> but I'd love to print out all of these vars generated
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<apeiros> nooteh: that sounds like you should ask in #rubyonrails
<nooteh> ah true, sorry
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<shevy> fly2web die man
<fly2web> what mean?
<fly2web> shevy:
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<shevy> fly2web die
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<fly2web> shevy: { || } <— what is ||?
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<shevy> fly2web that is nothing, where is your variable
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<shevy> don't be such a noob
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<shevy> fly2web go read through https://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
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<fly2web> i read it now
<fly2web> this is good for me
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<shevy> fly2web don't be such a stupid idiot, go read https://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/
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<fly2web> ok i see
<fly2web> then i read it
<fly2web> thanks
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<fly2web> shevy: i will return after eating somthing
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<shevy> fly2web no
<fly2web> i m hungry
<fly2web> i don’t eat for 2 days
<fly2web> because i have no money.
<fly2web> but i have mac
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<godd2> in his defense, when a fly hits a web, they usually meet their demise
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<shevy> eh
<wasamasa> lol
<shevy> godd2 he is hungry, does not eat for 2 days, states to have no money but has a mac. :P
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<fly2web> shevy: are you come back? :)
<shevy> apeiros, he is trolling me
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<fly2web> :( shevy then i study ruby only
<shevy> man
<shevy> if only I could fight back your trolling without getting kicked
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<toretore> never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
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<shevy> nah
<shevy> he is asking and stating the same things he did the last few days
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<shevy> <fly2web> i read it now
<shevy> in due time he'll repeat that again, I bet ;)
<fly2web> shevy: what’s wrong. just study hard.
<fly2web> :(
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<shevy> didn't you say you know 20 languages already fly2web?
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<Mon_Ouie> Just ignore him then
<fly2web> it’s real. but i think you change to angry shevy
<shevy> <fly2web> puts vs print, whick is most used in ruby
<fly2web> angry shevy
<shevy> fly2web you are trolling
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<fly2web> stop shevy
<fly2web> i m studying ruby hard now
<shevy> fly2web only if you stop doing this:
<shevy> <fly2web> shevy: what are you doing?
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<fly2web> shevy: end?
<shevy> fly2web what does that even mean
<shevy> if you don't want a response, don't ping me?
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<fly2web> just relax shevy
<pontiki> shevy: please use /ignore
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<apeiros> shevy: then put him on ignore
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<godd2> and then, most importantly, ignore him
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<shevy> you guys are very mean to fly2web
<godd2> anyone wanna take a crack at why I'm getting segfaults with ffi while trying to use waveout callbacks?
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<wasamasa> segfaults and ffi, how uncommon
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<shevy> he should just use swig
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<godd2> it doesn't happen when I don't use a callback on waveoutopen
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<Lewix> yo
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<Deviser> msg
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<Deviser> \msg
<Deviser> can anyone see my post or do I need to register with irc
<Deviser> register
<Mon_Ouie> We can read what you're saying just fine
<Deviser> ok, thanks! sorry about that
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<bjensen82> i need to make a range from 30.0, 30.25, 30,5, 30.75, 31.00, 31.25, 31,50..60?
<bjensen82> ideas please?
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<aledovsky> (30..60).each { 4.times { collector << i + (j * 0.25) } }
<aledovsky> something along these lines
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<Mon_Ouie> >> 30.step(60, 0.25).take 10
<Mon_Robot> Mon_Ouie: => [30.0, 30.25, 30.5, 30.75, 31.0, 31.25, 31.5, 31.75, 32.0, 32.25] (https://eval.in/172375)
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<bjensen82> thanks!
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<AlexRussia> yo guys, who here use vim? @_@
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<AlexRussia> i need to understand how to use ctrl-x ctrl-u
<AlexRussia> with ruby code
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<shevy> we use better editors
<wasamasa> lol
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<AlexRussia> shevy: better mean emacs?
<shevy> I said better man
<shevy> why do you suggest emacs
<wasamasa> rofl
<AlexRussia> :D
<shevy> by the way, people here might not know what ctrl-x ctrl-u is doing
<AlexRussia> shevy: you said editors! :D
<shevy> yeah
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<shevy> emacs is more of a cult or an (unfinished) operating system
<wasamasa> shevy: he's looking for vim's built in text completion functionality
<AlexRussia> shevy: its call sth with 'completefunc' and said isn't set, i am failed to understand
<wasamasa> to which I can only say, bother #vim
<wasamasa> they're a perfect example for a support channel
<wasamasa> whereas #emacs is a perfect example for an offtopic channel
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: lol, i did it, they said me ask someone, who use ruby :D
<shevy> well it is clearly a function available from vim
<shevy> so #vim is the proper channel
<shevy> or you use a better editor
<wasamasa> C-x C-n in insert mode inserts words already in the buffer
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<AlexRussia> shevy: better is nano, emacs or may be sublime? @_@
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: i know
<wasamasa> the others like C-x C-u or C-x C-o use functions you have to write yourself in vimscript
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<wasamasa> so, tough luck
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: but plug-in sth told about C-x C-o
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: lol
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<wasamasa> as you might guess, I've switched to emacs and no, I won't give you support for getting it to work there or anything else
<AlexRussia> lol
<shevy> AlexRussia sublime goes into the right direction
<shevy> AlexRussia I like the functional simplicity of bluefish 1.0.7; it is not perfect though, some features are missing. the best would be to put different components together from different editors
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<AlexRussia> shevy: uhum, and get editors version of Frankenshtein :d
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<AlexRussia> i like vim just because it help me do things easy, some usually things
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<wasamasa> I haven't went along and set up smarter autocompletion yet
<wasamasa> probably because the tools I've seen were either libraries for parsing 99% of all ruby, stuff using the repl or java shit
<wasamasa> and running a jvm for having ruby autocompletion is uhh
<AlexRussia> @_@
<wasamasa> not exactly what I'd call good
<AlexRussia> @_@
<wasamasa> and I don't know enough ruby yet to bother and rewrite it
<AlexRussia> running jvm for completion
<AlexRussia> ?
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<AlexRussia> sounds like rsense
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<wasamasa> yes indeed
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<wasamasa> someone took rsense and cleaned it up a bit
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<AlexRussia> wasamasa: yes, jvm is reason why i didn't installed it yet
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<wasamasa> now I finally know why the elisp of its original author is so horrible
<wasamasa> he wrote java before!
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: xD
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: elisp was written before java i think
<wasamasa> doesn't matter
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: java was developped in 1990(1)-1995
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: :D
<wasamasa> as I've said, it doesn't matter
<wasamasa> if someone learns java and then decides to write java-like code in any other language, bad things will inevitably happen
<AlexRussia> its matter :D ITS TIME COLLAPSE THEN
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<shevy> in java nothing matters other than the amount of lines you have produced
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<miah> glad to see an embeddable ruby, but i feel like lua has already won that battle
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<miah> i haven't tried out mrbc yet though, that could be interesting.
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<apeiros> hm, I don't think that's a good way to look at it. times change. things change. mruby doesn't need to "win". it just needs to be useful.
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<miah> oh i know
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<miah> i just encounter lots of stuff with lua embedded already, and have a feeling i wont see much with ruby embedded
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<apeiros> yeah, for the foreseeable future, lua will probably vastly more widespread
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<miah> we're looking at replacing logstash with hekka. i think logstash + mruby could be a good combination. but its configuration syntax is already wacky enough that i'd rather just have a real language.
<miah> er, just heka. i always add an extra k
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<shevy> kmiah
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<miah> help im stuck in a k-hole?
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<shevy> kcat
<shevy> KDE
<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> kuby!
<miah> kubby
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<shevy> the kde folks really overdid it with their k-naming scheme... one app is called kalzium, that is german for the element calcium
<miah> hah
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<miah> at least its not 1998 anymore. installing kde used to be such a pain.
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<shevy> compiling kde can be a pain! :(
<miah> yes
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<shevy> I actually find autoconf-based programs still easier to install and compile than most cmake-based ones, though that has improved the last some years
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<miah> i built a linux distro in ~2000, autoconf systems _are_ easier. (even though they have their own class of issues)
<shevy> I can't complain much though, qt 4.8.6 works, and kdelibs 4.13.3 also works here, though I got a bit bored of trying to get the rest of kde installed as well so I stopped
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<shevy> miah what distribution do you use these days?
<miah> archlinux
<miah> i almost worked for redhat in 2000, but i joined turoblinux instead.. i've done too much with RPM based ditros
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<benzrf> debian4lyfe
<miah> debian is good, i'll say that. but you _really_ have to run unstable unless you like software from 18 years ago
<miah> though its gotten better recently =)
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<shevy> an archie!
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<siwica> suppose I have the classes foo1, foo2 and foo3. Each object of type foo1 contains an array of type foo2 objects. Each object of type foo2 contains an array of type foo3 objects.
<siwica> However there is the problem that the code gets bigger when the nesting-depths increases. What would be a better way of doing that?
<siwica> n = arrayFoo1.inject(0) {|sum1, i1| sum1 + i1.arrayOfFoo2.inject(0) {|sum2, i2| sum2 + i2.arrayOfFoo3.length } }
<siwica> I now have an array of type foo1 objects and I want to calculate the total number of (nested) type foo3 objects in that array. So far my solution is
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<apeiros> siwica: implement sum methods on each class directly
<siwica> apeiros: ok, that sounds reasonable
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<apeiros> demeters law. foo1 should not have to know about foo2's internals to get at the sum.
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<siwica> apeiros: suppose I would be given code I could not change, would there be a better method than mine?
<siwica> apeiros: you are right about demeters law
<apeiros> this is ruby. you can always change code. you don't have to modify their files for it.
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<miah> monkeypatching.. ft.. somthing
<apeiros> refine, if you don't want to monkeypatch
<miah> ya, i forget about refine, i still haven't used it. i suppose this would be its intended use case
<siwica> apeiros: But following demeters law here would be a big implementation effort, if I had lets say 10 nested objects and I want to get the number of foo10 objects out of a foo1 object
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<apeiros> siwica: um, no?
<apeiros> it's no more effort than yours
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<miah> why does fool1 need to know about fool10 directly?
<apeiros> you can create a method which does the descending for you. IMO that's ugly, though.
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<apeiros> something like descending_sum(array_foo1, [:array_of_foo2, :array_of_foo3, …])
<siwica> suppose I dont only want to know the number of nested foo10 objects, but also the number foo9, foo8, ... objects in foo1, that would require N-1 methods in a fooN object. Just wondering if there is a better way...?
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<apeiros> oooh, changing requirements
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<siwica> just for the sake of learning :)
<apeiros> any other requirements which might change regarding your question?
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<nobitanobi> hehe
<siwica> its a hypothetical requirement
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<siwica> so I might add more if I am not satisfied with the answer ;-)
<apeiros> with sum methods on each class: pass a single stop condition
<apeiros> with the descending_sum method: only pass an array as deep as you want the sums
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<atmosx> aloha fellow rubyists
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<Mon_Ouie> If you have N classes FooI where FooI has an array of Foo(I-1), it doesn't really sound like you should be using separate classes
<siwica> Mon_Ouie: why not?
<jaxxstorm> hi all, I was wondering if anyone could help me with how to use this library? https://github.com/sumoheavy/jira-ruby/blob/master/lib/jira/resource/transition.rb
<jaxxstorm> specifically that class
<jaxxstorm> I'm new to ruby and close to finishing my first ruby script
<jaxxstorm> but can't figure that out
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<Mon_Ouie> That just makes it sound like they're all really the same and you just have a tree where you're attributing a depth to each node using its class
<siwica> Mon_Ouie: foo4 is a building, foo3 a building part, foo2 a polygon representation of the outer shell of a building part, foo1 is a point,...
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<atmosx> jaxxstorm: this is connected to some ORM or something
<siwica> Mon_Ouie: I have an array of buildings and want to know about the total number of points in my little town ;)
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<atmosx> jaxxstorm: you need to include the module and then run the methods like Resource.endpoint_name
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<atmosx> jaxxstorm: for the methods (functions) that have a 'self.'
<siwica> Mon_Ouie: the classes are required for some validity checks on each level of the tree, etc...
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<atmosx> the other ones are not accessible directly, you have to crate new class e.g. a= Module::Class.new ; a.endpoint_name
<jaxxstorm> atmosx, let me put a gist together to show you what I've tried, two secs
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<jaxxstorm> the client.issue.find is correct, the transition is not
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<atmosx> jaxxstorm: what about issue.transition?
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<atmosx> also try issuing: p client.methods.sort.join(', ')
<atmosx> see if you can find transition there
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<jaxxstorm> atmosx, that's a cool trick, thanks!
<jaxxstorm> no tranisition there though
<jaxxstorm> ah wait there it is
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<atmosx> if there is then you can use it
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<atmosx> make sure you issue the right number of parameters
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<jaxxstorm> okay we're getting somewhere now
<jaxxstorm> :)
<jaxxstorm> test = client.Transition.find("11", :issue => "PROJ" )
<jaxxstorm> undefined method `key_value' for "PROJ":String (NoMethodError)
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<jaxxstorm> got it I think
<jaxxstorm> test = client.Transition.find("11", :issue_id => "136985" )
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<jaxxstorm> Now i Just gotta figure out how to make it post a transition, not sure what (methods?) it has
<jaxxstorm> thanks atmosx
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<siwica> is there a good place where you can get experienced ruby users to take a glance at your ruby code and provide feedback? :)
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<jaxxstorm> aarggggh how do I provide this option?
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<jaxxstorm> Library/Ruby/Gems/2.0.0/gems/jira-ruby-0.1.11/lib/jira/base.rb:88:in `block in initialize': Required option :issue missing (ArgumentError)
<jaxxstorm> client.Transition.build(:issue => "136985").methods.sort.join(', ')
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<shevy> do you guys prefer
<shevy> module Foo
<shevy> end
<shevy> def Foo.bar
<shevy> or
<shevy> def self.bar
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<Nowaker> def self.bar, but its just me
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<iszak> Anyone know of a ruby linter that supports guard?
<AntelopeSalad> iszak, rubocop
<iszak> thanks
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<shevy> cool... my largest ruby project so far, with all of my own dependencies bundled together in one gem
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<shevy> has as its .gem file 779K bytes
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<shevy> hmm unless I made a mistake
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<AntelopeSalad> that seems really large but not impossible i guess
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<shevy> is it really large?
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> I actually thought it was pretty small ... let me count how many other projects it then includes...
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<shevy> 41 small projects
<lilbilly> Hey all, I'm looking for something that can achieve something similar to Wordpress in terms of being a CMS that allows clients to edit their site, but which also allows for lots of customizeability and doens't take long to get up and running. I've been using Wordpress for a long time now, but the truth is I just don't want to keep using PHP. Does anyone know of a framework or CMS based in Ruby that might allow me to achieve the same ki
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<AntelopeSalad> shevy, are you using du -h to figure out the size?
<shevy> AntelopeSalad I guess I will work on a script that will output some stats, thanks for your remark :D
<shevy> nope, I just look at the end .gem file actually
<AntelopeSalad> if it includes git repos then it might be small
<shevy> hmm when I do: du -h
<shevy> I get this as the last result:
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<shevy> 6.0M
<AntelopeSalad> that includes everything
<shevy> oh, no git repo or anything, just direct source-related stuff and docu files
<AntelopeSalad> maybe look up a little for the lib folder?
<shevy> is .gem really that efficient? that it can package 6.0MB into less than 1.0MB?
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<shevy> yeah, like 98% is in the lib/ directory
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<AntelopeSalad> i don't know, i never used it but text compresses really well
<shevy> \o/
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<shevy> is anyone of you ... uhm ...
<AntelopeSalad> my largest non-rails gem is only 600k for the lib folder
<shevy> having a website where you play audio on it?
<shevy> AntelopeSalad you mean when it is a .gem? or before you make it a gem file
<toretore> gems are zips iirc
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<shevy> I guess if the compression is about 1:6 then that would be less than 100k I guess AntelopeSalad, so that is quite large I think? one seventh of my largest ruby project
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<AntelopeSalad> try zipping it, i bet it gets that compression or better
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<AntelopeSalad> damn you peek, why don't you show in depth query information like rack mini profiler
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<Nowaker> lilbilly: i have never had a need for such, but https://www.google.pl/search?q=ruby+cms
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> what options are available to build a GUI in ruby?
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<robscormack> ruby-gtk
<wasamasa> shoes?
<robscormack> ruby-glade
<robscormack> qt-ruby
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<robscormack> there is even sth to work with .net
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<wasamasa> speaking of ruby
<wasamasa> slop is confusing the hell out of me
<wasamasa> the usage example and its optional arguments especially
<shevy> wasamasa I thought it was better than optparse?
<wasamasa> shevy: less to type, yes
<wasamasa> shevy: as you might know having less to type can make it more confusing what it's actually doing
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<wasamasa> and the api docs...
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<wasamasa> they don't explain to me how its parsing actually works
<AntelopeSalad> wasamasa, are you building a command line app?
<wasamasa> AntelopeSalad: yes I am
<Lemur> Anyone out there in the San Francisco area looking for an entry level developer? I know a clever one that's looking to get up that way.
<AntelopeSalad> http://whatisthor.com/ , and never look back
<wasamasa> AntelopeSalad: and no, I don't want to create something with subcommands only
<wasamasa> I also don't want to write a class to have option parsing
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<shevy> if only we could have beautiful commandline parsing in default ruby
<AntelopeSalad> up to you, i've built many apps and my thor class usually never goes above 40-50 lines
<wasamasa> isn't there something out there with documentation like python's argparse?
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<wasamasa> nothing?
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<AntelopeSalad> not that i've seen, argparse is quite good
<wasamasa> not like that one has a pretty interface, but it's been able to do everything I throw at it and is understandable
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<AntelopeSalad> wasamasa, btw, you can make subcommand-less thor commands
<AntelopeSalad> i assume you mean like being able to do: myapp --foo bar?
<wasamasa> yes I do
<wasamasa> just need some optional arguments at the moment plus positional ones at the end
<wasamasa> I haven't seen the latter either in the option parsing libraries
<AntelopeSalad> map %(-v --version) => :version , where version is just some method with no arguments (but arguments could be passed if you want)
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<wasamasa> it's as if working directly with ARGV after stripping the optional arguments is fine
<AntelopeSalad> also i forgot the %w there, oops
<wasamasa> hmm, this one might be it: https://github.com/ahoward/main
<wasamasa> though the help looks a bit weird
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<shevy> in particular "Hardcoding Yourself Into a Corner"
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<AntelopeSalad> that dsl is making me ill to my stomach
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<shevy> hahaha
<shevy> and that coming from a salad!
<AntelopeSalad> it's true, people who eat a lot of salad tend to have iron stomachs
<shevy> what are the 3 most important criteria for a good dsl?
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<AntelopeSalad> 1. not using that one x 3
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<AntelopeSalad> my "do i like it" criteria is usually how often i have to refer back to the docs when using it
<AntelopeSalad> if it reads naturally and isn't complex it lends itself to easily be remembered
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> simplicity
<wasamasa> or this one: https://github.com/defunkt/choice
<shevy> this methods won't conflict with outside method definitions right?
<shevy> *these
<wasamasa> stating explicitly what the long option is
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<AntelopeSalad> that one looks a lot better
<AntelopeSalad> but at that point it just looks like a more verbose thor
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<wasamasa> well, except I don't need to hack around it not being suited for going commandless :P
<AntelopeSalad> you don't need to hack anything tho, you just make a method and map some flags to it
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<wasamasa> and the last one would be: https://github.com/visionmedia/commander
<wasamasa> which has defaults, nice
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<wasamasa> guess I have to do a comparison matrix soonish
<robscormack> +1 for choice, +1 for thor
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<shevy> what shall I pick now robbyoconnor
<shevy> I mean robscormack
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<robscormack> I'd pick whatever looks better. I love the Choice gem, it's simple and easy to implement.
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<robscormack> the one who wrote it is defunkt, he knows what he is doing.
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<wasamasa> well, I'm not so sure about that
<wasamasa> if he's the author of coffeescript-mode, I ought to punch him
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<wasamasa> *coffee-mode
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<wasamasa> wonkiest emacs major mode I've ever come across
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<wasamasa> does things like deciding to color everything that's not a comment like a comment, fucks up with auto-indent, doesn't accept tab width settings in a normal manner, ...
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<robscormack> we all have our bad days :P
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<wasamasa> I'm glad I don't have to write coffeescript anymore with it
<robscormack> hahahaha
<wasamasa> it's pretty bad if your text editor decides to be your enemy with indentation in a language with significant whitespace
<robscormack> why did you install it, then?
<wasamasa> so, let's hope his ruby skills are better
<wasamasa> robscormack: no alternative
<robscormack> his Ruby skills aren't that bad
<wasamasa> robscormack: and no, I don't know enough about the language related ones to fix it
<robscormack> wasamasa, lolwut?
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<wasamasa> robscormack: there was no other coffeescript-mode for emacs
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<robscormack> ah, the open source syndrome: "if you find something that is not working, you MUST fix it or you're not manly enough". That's a myth.
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<wasamasa> well, I usually hand in bug reports
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<wasamasa> but didn't even do that this time, so I should rather stop beating the horse and write moar ruby
<robscormack> I don't bc I don't have enough time nor knowledge.
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<robscormack> I just teach the basics at the University, and my students spread the word.
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<robscormack> if you find sth not working you don't need to fix it. if there is something that works better, go with that. That's why I don't use PHP in the first place :D
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<wasamasa> it's just that actions speak louder than words
<robscormack> not sure what you mean.
<wasamasa> if something isn't good and there's no alternative and no way to fix it, write something yourself
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<wasamasa> can become a burden if it's more successful than planned, but whatever
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<robscormack> I am doing something in that line now that I remember.
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<robscormack> I use Dreamweaver for one reason: it's the best refactoring tool I can have for HTML, CSS and JavaScript.
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<robscormack> I'm doing mine based in Nokogiri.
<robscormack> (and by refactoring I mean changing the directory structure)
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<AntelopeSalad> robscormack, is it better than frontpage?
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<robscormack> not sure, I don't use Windows :B
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<benzrf> dont use frontpage
<benzrf> write code
<robscormack> benzrf: I'm db administrator. I suck at HTML :(
<benzrf> robscormack: how can you suck at html
<benzrf> html isnt a thing thats possible to suck at
<benzrf> css maybe
<AntelopeSalad> benzrf, but with code i can't create sites like this in 2 minutes http://www.prenhall.com/phitcareers/chap6/images/frontpage.jpg
<wasamasa> scary
* benzrf winces
<robscormack> benzrf let me rephrase it: I suck at designing.
<benzrf> fair enough
<benzrf> how does frontpage help though
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<robscormack> ah, my friend works with dreamweaver... she sucks at coding, so she has nice designs but her code is far from usable.
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<robscormack> so I use it to correct her validation mistakes and to avoid finishing up with 19 versions of jQuery spread all over the site.
<AntelopeSalad> benzrf, you get to see it in all its glory as you design it with a WYSIWYG editor
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<benzrf> ew
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<robscormack> my team and me are like "Dirty Dozen"
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<dopie> Ok when I do
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<dopie> gus = Boy.new("Gus", "6'1")
<dopie> this creates an object referenced by the variable gus
<dopie> this creates a new Boy object referenced by the variable gus
<dopie> ?
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<robscormack> yep
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<dopie> k just making sure i got that right
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<robscormack> and you must have a method in class Boy called "initialize" with two parameters (at least)
<robscormack> sth like:
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<robscormack> def initialize(name, size)
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<dopie> yes...
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<dopie> I should have initialize because it keeps the object alive throughout the class?
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<robscormack> no, because you want to initialize the object with parameters.
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<dopie> it keeps the instance variables alive throught the life of Dog?
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<robscormack> no dog
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<benzrf> dopie: the expression 'Boy.new("Gus", "6'1")' creates a new instance of Boy
<benzrf> dopie: the expression just happens to be used as the right hand side of an assignment
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<wasamasa> damnit, choice doesn't give me all remaining arguments
<wasamasa> looks like I'll have to write my own option parsing gem
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<dopie> Ok
<dopie> robscormack, :)
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<dopie> So i use the initialize method to create a ew instance of Boy with parameters
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<robscormack> yep
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<dopie> actually
<dopie> arguments
<dopie> no?
<dopie> errr scratch that
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<robscormack> parameters, arguments, same same but different.
<robscormack> wasamasa what are you trying to accomplish?
<dopie> def initialize(name,blah) name, blah = parameters
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<Lewix> hi guys
<Lewix> dopie:
<dopie> Boy.new("Gus","6'1")
<dopie> 2 arguments
<dopie> LEWIX!
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<Lewix> dopie: how are you
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<dopie> im great
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<Lewix> dopie: are you a beast in ruby now
<dopie> not at all
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<shevy> hehe
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<Edelwin> hello!
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<Edelwin> I'm writing a program that has to interact with IP ranges, and I wanted to know how I could create a thread for each IP in a range
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