#ruby on 2014-07-14 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-05-09 04:44 apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || this channel is logged at http://irclog.whitequark.org, other public logging is prohibited

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01:23 <omosoj> anyone use vagrant here?

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01:25 <centrx> We prefer the term hobo

01:26 <godd2> I say transient

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01:28 <omosoj> heh... i mean the vm thing

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01:34 <ruralhack> I don't want to go to the edge. what ruby version should i use now?

01:34 <centrx> What's the edge?

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01:34 * sevenseacat gets one step closer to the edge

01:34 <ruralhack> i've been away for a while. haml sass nanoc rails

01:35 <centrx> 2.1.2 is solid

01:35 <ruralhack> foundation

01:35 <ruralhack> k, thanks

01:35 <centrx> Everything should work with it, because there are few/no backwards-incompatible changes after 1.9

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01:36 <ruralhack> i know, that's the big leap. html5 and ruby is starting to ride. the future is bright.

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01:36 <ruralhack> i did not know, thank you.

01:37 <ruralhack> is java a virus like microsoft?

01:37 <ruralhack> lol

01:37 <ruralhack> later friends.

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01:37 <sevenseacat> only problems ive had when upgrading apps from 1.9 -> 2.1 is the whole '2.0 changes Object#respond_to? to not work for protected/private methods' thing

01:37 <ruralhack> thanks

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01:44 <ruralhack> Inheritance identifies ruby 2.1.2 as today's encapsulated behavior for growing a polymorphic state. :)

01:44 <ruralhack> just playing.

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04:17 <alexandrite> Hi everyone

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04:17 <alexandrite> Which version of Ruby should I get?

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04:18 <sevenseacat> the latest one.

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04:18 <alexandrite> The RubyInstaller website says: "Ruby 2.0.0, specially the 64bits version, are relatively new on the Windows area and not all the packages have been updated to be compatible with it. To use this version you will require some knowledge about compilers and solving dependency issues, which might be too complicated if you just want to play with the language."

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04:18 <alexandrite> Is this true?

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04:19 <sevenseacat> no idea, i dont use windows.

04:19 <alexandrite> I'm relatively new to the language and I just want to play around with it a little (for now)

04:19 <alexandrite> Oh

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04:20 <alexandrite> sevenseacat are there huuuge dependency issues? like big enough for a beginner to seriously consider 1.9.3 instead of 2.0.0? Is this a Windows-only thing?

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04:32 <sevenseacat> it is a windows-only thing, yes.

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05:59 <t3i> Is there a pattern for creating objects that behave like symbols? I want the class to return an existing object if the attributes match that objects attributes.

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05:59 <t3i> so MyClass.new('name') would create a new object if name is new or return the old object if name already exists.

06:00 <pontiki> in rails, there's the .find_or_create methods

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06:00 <pontiki> obviously, you couldn't use .new

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06:04 <t3i> pontiki: I was wondering about Plain Old Ruby Objects

06:04 <t3i> I was thinking for defining self.new to check the ObjectSpace

06:04 <t3i> thinking of*

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06:05 <sevenseacat> im not sure what would happen if you redefined new but i dont think its a good idea

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07:06 <Reg_> hi

07:06 <Reg_> what is the best way to learn Ruby in shortest time.

07:07 <Ulrike_Rayne> "Shortest time"? I think that all depends on the individual.

07:07 <Ulrike_Rayne> There are multiple interactive tutorials for Ruby

07:07 <Ulrike_Rayne> Or if interactive isn't your thing you could just dive into the documentation

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07:08 <Reg_> thanks for the reply. i have a interview and have never worked on Ruby or learnt. thats why was atleast trying to lean as much as possible.

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07:08 <techsethi> Reg_: which languages have you worked with ?

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07:09 <Reg_> shell, perl and bash

07:09 <Ulrike_Rayne> There's also some really good resources on http://ruby-lang.org/ to help with learning Ruby.

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07:09 <techsethi> ruby is close to perl.

07:10 <Reg_> any suggestions for interactive sources?

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07:11 <techsethi> here is a good resource

07:11 <techsethi> http://ruby.bastardsbook.com/toc/

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07:13 <Reg_> perfect. thanks.

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07:26 <user321> exec("read -d '' -ra df_arr < <(LC_ALL=C df -P #{rel_dir})" -> sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `<' what do i have to do?

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07:35 <user321> available_space = %x(read -d '' -ra df_arr < <(LC_ALL=C df -P #{rel_dir})) returns the same error. what is wrong?

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07:37 <paradisaeidae> ..Hi Reg_... twoCents: Just learn what Ruby does with one keyword: yeild

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07:49 <user321> would somebody show me, how I have to escape this: available_space = %x(read -d '' -ra df_arr < <$LC_ALL=C df -P #{rel_dir}$)

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07:55 <user321> no one?

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08:15 <user321> http://pastebin.com/kCQD76Yh can anybody help, please?

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08:37 <magicien> http://greyblake.com/blog/2013/09/21/how-to-call-bash-not-shell-from-ruby/

08:37 <magicien> user321: that might help you

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08:38 <magicien> not sure what you are trying to do with this read array command

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08:52 <Myrtti> foobarwibble (testing if I can trigger a spambot)

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08:53 <apeiros> I'm not sure we want you to test triggering a spambot in here.

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08:53 <gr33n7007h> Myrtti, find an empty channel

08:53 <Myrtti> *rolleyes*

08:53 <magicien> kioos is spamming people

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08:54 <Myrtti> the spambot is according to some reports in this channel and is spamming people in pm as soon as they say something in this channel

08:54 <Myrtti> ah, there we go

08:54 <apeiros> ok, freenode staff. I see.

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08:54 <apeiros> in that case: thanks for taking action

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08:57 <lng> How can I get parent of .. dir?

08:57 <matled> lng: ../..

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08:58 <lng> it gives me multiple

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08:58 <lng> but I need parent of ..

08:58 <lng> only one

08:58 <lng> :)

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09:02 <Myrtti> -->

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09:05 <solars> does anyone know if there are convenient frameworks/libs that allow programming android apps in ruby? I'm too lazy for java

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09:23 <wasamasa> you will have to use java anyways

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09:24 <wasamasa> even if it's just for the UI

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09:26 <guinsly> hi! I'm getting an error on a spec file gist:https://gist.github.com/guinslym/393b49f5e3590a13856c

09:27 <shevy> lng wa liao man!

09:28 <Mon_Ouie> solars: There's Ruboto. I don't know how up to date it is, though.

09:28 <shevy> bu yao ta wo

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09:29 <shevy> lng there is also File.absolute_path()

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09:29 <shevy> >> File.absolute_path ".."

09:29 <eval-in__> shevy => "/tmp" (https://eval.in/172310)

09:29 <shevy> >> File.absolute_path

09:29 <eval-in__> shevy => wrong number of arguments (0 for 1..2) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/172311)

09:29 <shevy> >> File.absolute_path './'

09:29 <eval-in__> shevy => "/tmp/execpad-e320bd12afaa" (https://eval.in/172312)

09:29 <shevy> >> File.absolute_path './'

09:29 <eval-in__> shevy => "/tmp/execpad-68ab53891bb7" (https://eval.in/172313)

09:29 <shevy> cool

09:29 <solars> Mon_Ouie, it seems to be pretty up to date

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09:29 <shevy> eval-in must have loads of execpad* dirs

09:29 <nerium> I'm looking for a project in github that was trending a while back.

09:29 <nerium> It's a Ruby tool for automating scraping that has a web interface

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09:30 <nerium> Anyone know what I mean?

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09:31 <wasamasa> hugin?

09:31 <wasamasa> or munin

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09:32 <wasamasa> I know what you mean, it popped up on hackernews not too long ago

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09:33 <nerium> wasamasa: Yes! Thanks

09:34 <wasamasa> https://github.com/cantino/huginn/blob/master/README.md

09:34 <wasamasa> there

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09:36 <tagrudev> certainty, ping

09:36 <shevy> wasamasa hugging!

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09:37 <shevy> group hugin

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10:20 <Cork> i'm playing around with thin and ru files

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10:20 <Cork> anyone know if thin exposes the config file (-C) in any variable?

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10:21 <canton7> I doubt it... Why do you need that?

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10:24 <Cork> canton7: would be a nice place to add additional config options for the script

10:24 <Cork> now i do a separate yaml open of the file

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10:24 <canton7> yuck, no. don't do that

10:24 <canton7> thin's config file tells it how to host your app, and nothng about how the app behaves

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10:24 <canton7> you app's config file should not contain any information on how to host the app

10:25 <canton7> having the two in the same file is horrible

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11:11 <guojun04> SEND

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11:52 <Matip> Hi

11:53 <Matip> how do you install a gem in a system dir instead of ~ ?

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11:59 <jhass> Matip: tried --no-user-install ?

12:00 <Matip> good to know, no, one sec

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12:08 <Matip> jhass, I installed passenger using --no-user-install, and still passenger-install-apache2-module suggest I add " LoadModule passenger_module /home/myuser/.gem/ruby/1.9.1/gems/passenger-4.0.45/buildout/apache2/mod_passenger.so" to apache's config file

12:08 <Matip> any idea?

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12:10 <jhass> what does gem which passenger say?

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12:10 <Matip> nothing.. it was installed correctly

12:10 <jhass> and which passenger-install-apache2 ?

12:11 <jhass> did you remove the user install prior reinstalling system wide?

12:11 <Matip> yep, let me check the path

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12:11 <Matip> ~/bin/passenger-install-apache2-module

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12:11 <jhass> do you have that executable in /usr/local/ too?

12:12 <jhass> or even /usr/bin ? (I forgot where gem places them)

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12:13 <Matip> I have it here: /usr/lib64/httpd/modules/passenger-4.0.45/bin/passenger-install-apache2-module

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12:13 <jhass> so I'd make sure all traces in /home and gone and call that one

12:13 <Matip> should I remove the one in ~/bin and try again?

12:13 <jhass> *are gone

12:13 <Matip> ok

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12:17 <Matip> ok, no way. I removed everything, installed passenger again with --no-user-install and the executables are placed in ~/bin

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12:18 <jhass> you do run gem install as root?

12:19 <Matip> it didn't ask me for root permissions!

12:20 <Matip> I see your point, it makes sense :P

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12:31 <dangerousdave> I find it hard to quickly see the delineation between ruby methods, i don't know why.

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12:34 <dangerousdave> perhaps it's the way i lay them out

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14:47 <benzrf> welp

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14:53 <al> is there a shorter way to write this (i. e. replace a string of zero length with nil)? a.empty? ? nil : a

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14:54 <jhass> with ActiveSupport/Rails: a.presence else, not that I'm aware of

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14:55 <jhass> I'd probably write a = nil if a.empty? if it's in an assignment

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14:56 <al> jhass, ok, thanks!

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15:01 <benzrf> yo shevy

15:01 <benzrf> there is somebody by the nick shlevy in #haskell

15:01 <benzrf> any relation

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15:29 <kalusn> What is a good pattern for memoizing? Right now I'm using instance variables to memoize the result of some function calls, but it litters the scope of the object with useless instance variables. What is the normal way of dealing with this issue?

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15:48 <banisterfiend> kalusn you could write a memoize combinator

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15:51 <kalusn> banisterfiend: That would still have to rely on setting an instance variable where we save the memoization, no?

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15:51 <banisterfiend> kalusn yap, nothing wrong with that, but it'll just hide it

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15:53 <workmad3> kalusn: you could also create a hash of memoized values if you are doing it a lot

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15:53 <shevy> hey benzrf

15:53 <kalusn> banisterfiend, workmod3: Its just a few expensive method calls (3) that I prefer to be memoized, not a lot.

15:53 <workmad3> kalusn: so then '@memoized[:method] ||= whatever' and you only litter your object with one ivar

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15:53 <workmad3> kalusn: if it's not many, I'd just use normal ivars

15:54 <shevy> benzrf yeah hehe I think that is the guy from #nixos originally, from Israel I think

15:54 <workmad3> kalusn: it's not that problematic :)

15:54 <shevy> there is also a shlevo

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15:55 <kalusn> workmad3: Nah I know... I just naively assumed that since memoization is such a normal thing to do, that there would be some means of doing it without littering an objects variables with nonsense

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15:55 <kalusn> Thanks for the answers guys

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15:56 <kalusn> workmad3: Using a hash is a good idea

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16:15 <arup_r> Guys can you suggest me a good OOP book which discussed much detail in language independent way ?

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16:19 <shevy> get the pickaxe man

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16:19 <wasamasa> arup_r: oop is so watered down these days

16:19 <wasamasa> arup_r: just keep redesigning applications over and over again

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16:23 <arup_r> wasamasa: I got some books from my friend which is written in Java.. but I am not much comfortable with Java. And those books are good, but mostly Java oriented patterns they discussed. But Ruby not so similar to Java.. Thus I am not being able to read through it. For me OOP.. Programming all new things.. Ruby is ok.. but OOP principal sucks for me.. :(

16:24 <wasamasa> arup_r: do you know that the higher-level a language is the less design patterns you need?

16:24 <wasamasa> arup_r: now, take a look at the number of design pattern books for java :P

16:24 <wasamasa> arup_r: and compare with the same number for ruby books

16:25 <Hanmac> in ruby most of possible design patterns are build-in like "singleton"

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16:25 <Hanmac> wasamasa: i am more interested that you might NEED the books do to the same thing in java as in ruby ? ;P

16:25 <wasamasa> Hanmac: yeah, that's pretty telling

16:26 <wasamasa> Hanmac: but hey, at least you have them to program in less horrible ways if you go and follow their advice

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16:26 <arup_r> wasamasa: I am also not well familiar with SOLID...

16:26 <arup_r> :(

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16:31 <Hanmac> arup_r: might be helpful: https://github.com/nslocum/design-patterns-in-ruby

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16:34 <arup_r> Hanmac: Thank you.. I will give this book a try.

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16:38 <karl___> when defining an array of strings using %w, is it possible to add an empty string? ( and how?)

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16:41 <centrx> karl___, %w(a b c) << ''

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16:41 <karl___> thank you!

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17:13 <shevy> lol

17:13 <shevy> you cheated him off

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17:25 <atmosx> hello

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17:48 <shevy> hey atmosx

17:48 <shevy> how is work?

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17:48 <atmosx> I'm working in the pharmacy, work is good.

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17:48 <atmosx> I'm less suicidal

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17:48 <atmosx> how are you?

17:49 <centrx> Are you less suicidal because of the drugs at the pharmacy

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17:55 <Nekka> Okay, #ruby. Tell me how I'm being done. Reading someone else's code and they have "select([@socket], nil, nil, 1)"

17:55 <Nekka> *dumb

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17:55 <Nekka> I find no documentation on a select function. What's actually happening

17:55 <eam> Nekka: select is an i/o multiplexing function

17:55 <Mon_Ouie> ri 'Kernel#select'

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17:55 <eam> it takes a set of descriptors and returns any ready to be read from or written to

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17:56 <Hanmac> havenwood: DoctorWho Episode?

17:56 <Nekka> that... helps...

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17:56 <eam> in your case, it's polling the desecriptor in @socket to see if it's ready to be read from -- and it will wait up to one second

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17:56 <Nekka> Yeah, that makes more sense

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17:57 <Nekka> I just can't seem to find it documented anywhere which confused me

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17:58 <eam> ruby docs aren't great, but it's basically a mapping to the posix function of the same name

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17:58 <centrx> ruby docs for core are great, but not stdlib

17:58 <eam> I find them all rather so so

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17:59 <Mon_Ouie> ri IO.select and Kernel#select both show me the right documentation

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17:59 <Nekka> I guess I didn't know where to look

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18:00 <Nekka> I knew I was being dumb, just needed a prod in a helpful direction

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18:00 <TheAtomicGoose> i installed ruby on linux and when i ran bin/rails --version i got "could not find rake-10.3.2 in any of the sources; Run `bundle install` to install missing gems." but when i ran bundle install, i got a command not found error. can anyone help with that?

18:00 <eam> honestly, if you want to know what most of the stuff in Kernel does, try perldoc -f methodname

18:01 <eam> rubydocs tend to explain how to call something, but not how to use it

18:01 <centrx> TheAtomicGoose, Did you install rails with: gem install rails

18:01 <centrx> TheAtomicGoose, and bundler with: gem install bundler

18:01 <eam> or how it works internally

18:01 <atmosx> centrx: ah no.

18:02 <centrx> ?

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18:02 <atmosx> TheAtomicGoose: gem install bundler

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18:02 <atmosx> I failed running rails on ppc with js support.

18:02 <atmosx> lost 2 evenings blah

18:02 <havenwood> Hanmac: season 2.object_id, episode 5.object_id

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18:03 <TheAtomicGoose> centrx: no, i thought bundler installed with gem install ruby. my bad thanks

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18:27 <socketster> hey guys any of you know a simple way to install activesupport 3.2.14 ?

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18:28 <Frank13760> is there a DRY way to monitor class methods with Timeout::timeout? I'm trying to avoid wrapping the contents of each method with a Timeout::timeout block.

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18:29 <Frank13760> @socketster does gem install activesupport not work?

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18:30 <jay> im trying to install libxml-ruby 2.2.2 built from 2.7.8. 'gem install libxml-ruby -v'2.2.2' -with-xml2-config=/usr/local/Cellar/libxml2/2.7.8/bin/xml2-config' Error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1746c4072d34aa665ebc

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18:32 <Frank13760> @jay have you seen this https://coderwall.com/p/7urjcg

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18:32 <jay> no, I haven't. Thanks

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18:53 <olivier_bK> i try to convert a hash in yaml

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18:54 <shevy> olivier_bK are you a man or a mouse

18:54 <olivier_bK> but i only get the first line of my hash

18:54 <olivier_bK> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/d2bffe7abe7fffe824db

18:54 <olivier_bK> shevy, no a cow

18:54 <olivier_bK> lol..

18:54 <shevy> YAML.dump( :olivier => 'mouse' ) # => "--- \n:olivier: mouse\n"

18:55 <jhass> >> {"jone" => "jose","david","doe"}

18:55 <eval-in__> jhass => /tmp/execpad-570698295292/source-570698295292:2: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting => ... (https://eval.in/172428)

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18:55 <jhass> so I doubt that's your code

18:55 <shevy> olivier_bK I guess you wanted an array

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18:55 <shevy> >> {"jone" => ["jose","david","doe"]}

18:55 <eval-in__> shevy => {"jone"=>["jose", "david", "doe"]} (https://eval.in/172429)

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18:56 <olivier_bK> shevy, no i want a yaml fiel

18:56 <olivier_bK> file

18:56 <olivier_bK> sorry

18:56 <shevy> yeah you can save a file in ruby

18:56 <olivier_bK> it's what i try to do

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18:56 <shevy> have you stored a file with ruby before

18:57 <shevy> File.open('yoo_man.yml', "w") {|f| YAML.dump( {:olivier => 'mouse'}, f ) }

18:57 <olivier_bK> yes

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18:57 <olivier_bK> File.open("lib/alreadyPass.yml","w"){ |f| YAML.dump( resH2Array.to_yaml, f ) }

18:57 <olivier_bK> and i get only one line

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18:58 <shevy> first off

18:58 <shevy> what is resH2Array

18:58 <shevy> second

18:58 <shevy> why do you use to_yaml

18:58 <olivier_bK> resH2Array it's a hash

18:58 <shevy> nono

18:58 <shevy> please give the real example

18:58 <olivier_bK> i try that

18:58 <shevy> like: { :foo =>5, :bla => 10 }

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19:00 <olivier_bK> shevy, how are you today

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19:00 <shevy> hmm not sure

19:01 <shevy> tooth ache and only a few hours left before I have to sleep again, which sucks

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19:02 <Frank13760> anyone know of a DRY way to add Timeout::timeout to each method, here's an example of what I'm working with

19:02 <Frank13760> https://gist.github.com/kany/392b793c36795b3a26c8

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19:04 <ddv> Frank13760, why the code duplication?

19:04 <Frank13760> exactly ddv, i need to avoid it

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19:04 <olivier_bK> shevy, aouch

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19:06 <shevy> Frank13760 write a new method

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19:06 <shevy> and then change only that @ivar that changes

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19:06 <ddv> I would change everything

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19:06 <shevy> def savings_totals(external_id, dataset = @v1_client.saving_totals1 )

19:06 <shevy> def savings_totals(external_id, dataset = @v1_client.saving_totals2 )

19:07 <shevy> yeah

19:07 <shevy> change it all Frank13760

19:07 <ddv> :-)

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19:07 <ddv> Frank13760, could you explain what you are trying to achieve?

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19:08 <shevy> world domination

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19:09 <Frank13760> lets say i'm trying to use an API i have no control over, and the API is running on a 56k connection and takes 2 minutes to respond, i want the method to fail gracefully

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19:12 <ddv> Frank13760, I don't this is the place to rescue timeouts, you should throw them and not catch them

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19:12 <ddv> also how are you going to handle networking errors, or protocol (http) errors

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19:13 <havenwood> Frank13760: I don't see where you're using `external_id` in those method?

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19:14 <ddv> standard ruby net http stuff is pain

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19:16 <Frank13760> thanks for your help ddv...havenwood, i stripped some things out, was just trying to focus on the DRY'ing up of the Timeout calls

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19:17 <havenwood> Frank13760: A couple suggestions: https://gist.github.com/havenwood/4d7d58577a5de4e24b20

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19:17 <havenwood> Frank13760: i like savings_totals_1 better than savings_totals1

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19:18 <shevy> I would make it a pirate method instead

19:18 <havenwood> Frank13760: you can drop the `begin` from begin/rescue inside a method when the whole method is rescued

19:18 <shevy> savings_total_arrrrrr!

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19:18 <havenwood> implicit return ftw

19:18 <razrunelord> Hey guys, if I have a hash like this {1 => [2,3,4], 3=>[5,8,9]} and I want to convert into the csv with the keys followed by values in array like 1,2,3,4 <br> 3,5,8,9 How would I go about it?

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19:19 <Frank13760> thanks all

19:19 <centrx> razrunelord, Use the CSV library in stdlib?

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19:19 <razrunelord> centrx: I used https://gist.github.com/itismadhan/536adc37fbf4aa68f663

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19:20 <razrunelord> but it gives me the csv in this format 1,234 <br> 3,589

19:20 <jhass> razrunelord: .map {|k, v| [k, *v] } then dump the resulting array of arrays

19:20 <razrunelord> Basically the array gets concatenated

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19:21 <havenwood> razrunelord: map(&:flatten)

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19:24 <razrunelord> havenwood: Flatten and push in the csv?

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19:24 <havenwood> >> require 'csv'; {1 => [2,3,4], 3=>[5,8,9]}.map(&:flatten).to_csv

19:24 <eval-in__> havenwood => "\"[1, 2, 3, 4]\",\"[3, 5, 8, 9]\"\n" (https://eval.in/172437)

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19:24 <havenwood> well, that's not right >.>

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19:26 <razrunelord> yeah, doesn't seem to work

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19:27 <razrunelord> CSV.open("data.csv", "wb") {|csv| hashto_a.each {|elem| csv << elem.flatten} }

19:27 <razrunelord> that works

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19:28 <razrunelord> Thanks havenwood

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19:30 <krz> what are ||= called?

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19:30 <jhass> or-equals? not sure if it has a special name

19:30 <havenwood> krz: i've not heard anything fancier than "or equals"

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19:36 <havenwood> a supermarine walrus operator

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19:38 <havenwood> := is the walrus operator, and the supermarine walrus is a biplane which accounts for the || wings

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19:39 <centrx> Then it's decided

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19:43 <shevy> lol

19:44 <shevy> the walrus operator

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19:47 <lebigsquare> Hello world. :)

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19:52 <shevy> END

19:52 <shevy> havenwood, was the walrus operator your invention?

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20:00 <havenwood> shevy: nope :P

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20:26 <cek> how do i tell a method i'm passing a block to it?

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20:26 <cek> meth(&blkvar), meth{ blkvar.call }. anything else?

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20:26 <hoelzro> cek: you don't even need &blkvar

20:26 <hoelzro> def meth ; yield 3 ; end

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20:27 <cek> very funny

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20:27 <banisterfiend> cek you mean to say "how do i pass a block to a method" no?

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20:27 <cek> im looking for newer ways of doing that

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20:27 <jhass> we're still not sure what "that" is

20:27 <banisterfiend> cek: the first one is the best, the second one is silly

20:28 <hoelzro> I wasn't trying to be funny...

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20:28 <cek> what about ->() syntax, maybe meth->(blkvar) ? or something

20:28 <Eulipion> anyone know how to fix rbenv shims missing?

20:29 <havenwood> Eulipion: missing after?: rbenv rehash

20:29 <Eulipion> yea

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20:29 <cek> okay, wht if blkvar could be nil, how do I tell meth() no block is being passed?

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20:30 <cek> right now, i'm just doing cond: blkvar ? meth(&blkvar) : meth()

20:30 <banisterfiend> cek &nil is fine

20:30 <havenwood> cek: &block or &blk if you must but please not &blkvar! :P

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20:30 <hoelzro> cek: block_given?

20:30 <havenwood> cek: block_given?

20:30 <cek> so you say &nil won't set block_given? to true?

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20:30 <cek> inside the meth(), that is

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20:31 <banisterfiend> >> def meth; yield if block_given?; end; meth(&nil)

20:31 <eval-in__> banisterfiend => nil (https://eval.in/172446)

20:31 <cek> good

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20:31 <cek> >> def meth; yield if block_given?; end; meth(&nil){ 'sweet' }

20:31 <eval-in__> cek => /tmp/execpad-f2876c877504/source-f2876c877504:2: both block arg and actual block given (https://eval.in/172448)

20:32 <cek> that was the edge case;)

20:32 <havenwood> gotta love the terminology "mildly deprecated": http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Kernel.html#method-i-block_given-3F

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20:32 <havenwood> a little bit, sorta deprecated

20:32 <Eulipion> havenwood: yes, after a rehash the shims disappeared

20:33 <havenwood> just a smidge of deprecation

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20:33 <cek> >> def meth(&block); block.class; end; meth(&nil)

20:33 <eval-in__> cek => NilClass (https://eval.in/172449)

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20:34 <cek> >> def meth(&block); block.class; end; meth(->{'zz'})

20:34 <havenwood> Eulipion: involving bundler, or just plain up missing gem shims?

20:34 <Eulipion> just missing all the shims

20:34 <cek> tnx

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20:34 <havenwood> Eulipion: maybe now's a good time to switch to chruby! :P

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20:34 <Eulipion> havenwood: i just switch from rvm to rbenv, why chruby?

20:35 <havenwood> Eulipion: for starters, no shims

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20:36 <havenwood> Eulipion: RVM is a complex project at over 20,000 lines of shell, but it does a lot. chruby is only 100 lines of shell, weighing in even lighter than rbenv but instead of shims it sets env vars properly.

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20:37 <havenwood> Eulipion: https://github.com/postmodern/chruby#readme

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20:37 <Eulipion> havenwood: so for automated deployments, i just need to set the rubyversion in the env vars?

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20:38 <havenwood> Eulipion: chruby supports `.ruby-version` files as do rvm and rbenv, or you can `chruby ...` etc. Check out the docs.

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20:38 <Eulipion> havenwood: do u happen to have a chef cookbook for chruby?

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20:39 <havenwood> Eulipion: https://github.com/Atalanta/chef-chruby#readme

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20:40 <Eulipion> is that one better than this one?https://github.com/madwork/chef-chruby-build

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20:43 <havenwood> Eulipion: i guess if you're on ubuntu, haven't used either

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20:44 <Eulipion> debian, similar, but not lame

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20:44 <havenwood> Eulipion: i'd personally prefer one that uses ruby-install over ruby-build, but either way

20:44 <havenwood> Eulipion: https://github.com/rosstimson/chef-ruby_install#readme

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20:45 <Eulipion> havenwood: do u happen to have a sample cookbook that uses these and sets versions for an app to use?

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20:46 <Eulipion> ive rewritten the same cb for rvm and rbenv and im getting a little tired of negative work

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20:46 <Eulipion> i think ruby needs to run in virtualenv and end this madness

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20:47 <havenwood> Eulipion: chruby is simple and just works. simpler than virtualenv. :P

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20:51 <lagweezle> 'cb' ?

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20:52 <Eulipion> cookbook

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20:54 <shevy> what happened to good old compiling from source

20:54 <Eulipion> that was actually my first plan, but my jenkins boxes got hosed by an upgrade

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20:55 <havenwood> shevy: sudo ruby-install -i /usr/local/ ruby

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20:56 <havenwood> shevy: then you don't need to look up dependencies, or more likely miss them and have to recompile :P

20:56 <havenwood> shevy: and no need for chruby, /usr/local ftw

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20:56 <havenwood> shevy: ahem, i mean: sudo ruby-install -i /usr/local/ -j8 ruby

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20:57 <havenwood> shevy: might as well put those cores to work on make :P

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20:57 <shevy> nah you don't have to recompile really, I always go into ext/ and reinstall what is missing, e. g. ext/readline/ and similar

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20:57 <shevy> well Eulipion said his system is broken

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20:59 <havenwood> Eulipion: do consider a /usr/local/ installation if you don't need multiple rubies. no need for a version switcher if you don't need to switch versions.

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21:01 <Eulipion> havenwood: have any recs on how to do that and still be able to bump the version up and down?

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21:02 <Eulipion> i dont need to be able to run multiple ruby versions, i need need upgrade/rollback ability

21:02 <lxsameer> hey guys, I'm using sidetiq to schedule tasks using sidekiq, but number of tasks to run is more than i specified . does any one know anything about it

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21:04 <SloggerKhan> Is some_string.gsub(/.{n}$/ , another_string) the cleanest way to change the last n chars of a string in Ruby? There aren't negative indexes or anything?

21:05 <baweaver> 'string'[n*-1]

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21:06 <baweaver> index relates to character, -1 to last character.

21:06 <baweaver> or 'string'.last(n)

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21:09 <SloggerKhan> baweaver: Not following. That gives you the character but it doesn't do a replace from that character to the end, no?

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21:09 <baweaver> ah, 'string'[-1..(n*-1)] = sub

21:10 <SloggerKhan> Ah, I think I figured it out.

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21:11 <baweaver> >> n=1;'string'[-1..(n*-1)]='pe'

21:11 <eval-in__> baweaver => "pe" (https://eval.in/172457)

21:11 <baweaver> >> n=1;s='string'[-1..(n*-1)]='pe'; s

21:11 <eval-in__> baweaver => "pe" (https://eval.in/172458)

21:11 <baweaver> odd.

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21:12 <SloggerKhan> For me yours makes the string longer.

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21:13 <shevy> size matters

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21:19 <apeiros> baweaver: n*-1 is an odd way to write -n

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21:21 <apeiros> SloggerKhan: string[-n,n] = 'replacement' # replace last n chars

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21:21 <SloggerKhan> apeiros: thanks!

21:22 <apeiros> note: it may not work well with strings shorter than n

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21:23 <SloggerKhan> apeiros: looks like string[-n..-1] also works.

21:23 <apeiros> more work for ruby

21:23 <apeiros> also more code

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21:23 <apeiros> but yes, works too

21:24 <bricker`work> I have array ["a", "b", "c"], and hash { "a" => { "b" => { "c" => 123 } } } ... what's the best way to get the value 123?

21:25 <apeiros> as usual, define "best"

21:25 <apeiros> you can use inject

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21:26 <bricker`work> apeiros: That works, thanks

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21:26 <toretore> >> 123

21:26 <eval-in__> toretore => 123 (https://eval.in/172460)

21:26 <toretore> best

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21:27 <bricker`work> >> a = ["a", "b", "c"]; hsh = { "a" => { "b" => { "c" => 123 } } }; a.inject(hsh) { |h, k| h[k] }

21:27 <eval-in__> bricker`work => 123 (https://eval.in/172461)

21:27 <bricker`work> toretore: when I ask "best" I'm really asking how *you* would do it

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21:28 <bricker`work> toretore: mostly trying to find other solutions so I have options

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21:33 <havenwood> a.inject(hsh, :[])

21:33 <momomomomo> *reduce :p

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21:34 <shevy> *divide

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21:35 <havenwood> >> array = %i[a b c]; hash = {a: {b: {c: 123 }}}; array.inject hash, :[]

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21:36 <havenwood> i demand a return value for my injected monkey face!

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21:37 <havenwood> >> array = %i[a b c]; hash = {a: {b: {c: 123}}}; array.inject hash, :[]

21:37 <eval-in__> havenwood => 123 (https://eval.in/172462)

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21:39 <havenwood> bricker`work: ^

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21:41 <havenwood> oh, i meant toretore*

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21:42 <havenwood> no i didn't, gah - more coffee for me :(

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22:00 <newtonianb> I'm trying to compile my directory of sass files which have no probem in compass but through the sass rake filter doesn't respect any order so I'm getting errors. https://gist.github.com/newtonianb/e486df4735bbf0f6feda in this example I have a variable defined in master.scss and master.scss imports the my_file.scss. My problem is my_file.scss is trying to access the variable in master.scss and

22:00 <newtonianb> saying undefined variable

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22:07 <bricker`work> havenwood: oohhh, neat

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22:15 <Eulipion> havenwood: have u had issues with ruby-build just hanging during a build?

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22:17 <havenwood> Eulipion: Not that I recall. I do usually use ruby-install rather than ruby-build though.

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22:25 <war32> Can someone help me with Nokogiri?

22:25 <Pulpie> is there a way in ruby to have a library get the path of the root invoking script?

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22:26 <Pulpie> such as # test.rb: require_relative 'test2'; #test2.rb: puts __FILE__ #should put test.rb but puts test2.rb

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22:28 <shevy> Pulpie well you have the information in __FILE__ don't you?

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22:28 <shevy> require 'pathname'; puts Pathname(__FILE__).dirname.realpath.to_s

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22:28 <Pulpie> shevy: no... you misunderstand

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22:28 <shevy> __FILE__ always refers to the specific .rb file there

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22:29 <Pulpie> __FILE__ is the library being called. I want the specific script invoking the library

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22:29 <shevy> nope, __FILE__ is not the library being called

22:29 <shevy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/224379/what-does-file-mean-in-ruby

22:29 <shevy> 'It is a reference to the current file name. In the file foo.rb, __FILE__ would be interpreted as "foo.rb".'

22:30 <Pulpie> yes it is

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22:30 <Pulpie> look at the first answer to what you just linked

22:30 <shevy> there is also $PROGRAM_NAME

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22:30 <Pulpie> in this case it is the library being called if the code we are talking about is being executed is in the library which was in my example above.

22:31 <shevy> what is "library"

22:31 <shevy> I just wrote a file called foo.rb

22:31 <shevy> and I can tell you that both __FILE__ and $PROGRAM_NAME give me a string called "foo.rb"

22:32 <Pulpie> when you require something

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22:32 <shevy> a file

22:32 <shevy> require 'foo.rb'

22:32 <shevy> yes

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22:32 <Pulpie> thats something is a library

22:32 <shevy> that is a file

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22:32 <Pulpie> anyways $PROGRAM_NAME works

22:32 <Pulpie> __FILE__ does not

22:33 <Pulpie> they are different.

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22:33 <toretore> $0

22:33 <Pulpie> what is $0

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22:34 <toretore> >> p $0

22:34 <eval-in__> toretore => "/tmp/execpad-6234ab5780c1/source-6234ab5780c1" ... (https://eval.in/172471)

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22:34 <toretore> it is what you're looking for

22:34 <shevy> $0 is what $PROGRAM_NAME points at

22:34 <Pulpie> ahh makes sense

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22:51 <Eulipion> havenwood: ruby_build has been running over an hour, im gonna update the chef-chruby cookbook to use ruby_install, this is insanely slow, and its only on the first ruby

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23:07 <bricker`work> Eulipion: yeah it's ridiculous

23:07 <bricker`work> Eulipion: I don't even try locally anymore

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