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<xavier23> Eg. Parent p = new Parent()
<xavier23> (Child) p
<xavier23> To get access to child methods
<DylanJ> i have no idea how to do that or if it's possible. my ruby... isn't complete.
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<xavier23> Usually, in java, you have to cast *first* , before you can access child-specific methods
<xavier23> In ruby, how does it work?
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<xavier23> Can you just access them, and it will fail silently if they don't exist
<xavier23> I think its causing a bug in my app
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<ginmaniac> Hey guys. I think I have once seen a method which converts a integer number in form of an english word to the actual integer. Something like: "one".foo => 1 where foo is the method I am looking for.
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<lnormous> xavier23: Why don't you post the code somewhere?
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<louism2_> hey everyone, are 'blocks' and 'closures' the same thing in ruby?
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<Nilium> Not exactly?
<louism2_> Nilium: is that directed towards me?
<Nilium> Yes
<wisconsin> anyone tried this? http://rubyluwak.com/
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<Nilium> A closure in ruby would be more like a proc or a lambda, depending on how you define a closure
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<brotatos> Do I need to close a file if I open it like this? File.open("path", "r") ?
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<brotatos> Or will it automatically close afterwards?
<Nilium> When would it automatically close?
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<brotatos> I haven't assigned it to a variable and I'm just reading from it.
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<Nilium> If you want it to close, close it yourself or do File.open(path, mode) { |io| ... }
<havenwood> brotatos: When you use a block, the file closes when the block ends.
<Nilium> That way the io object is only valid for that block
<brotatos> havenwood: Thanks.
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<louism2_> Nilium: haha, I was actually reading that
<louism2_> Nilium: great minds think alike
<Nilium> I was mostly just going for the first google result
<Nilium> Still reading over it to see if anything wonky is in there, but I doubt there's anything wildly incorrect
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<dummy> any recommendation on ruby newbie?
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<dummy> any good book?
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<dummy> or tutorial online?
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<havenwood> dummy: Nice list here: http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/
<dummy> cool havenwood
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<louism2wash> whoami
<Nilium> You are you.
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<Nilium> I think.
<Nilium> We'll have to consult the NSA to be sure.
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<louism2wash> Nilium: I don't even know any more
<louism2wash> :(
<Nilium> Sometimes life is confusing, but then you live, learn, and get luvs adult diapers.
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<louism2wash> Nilium: haha, we all have that to look forward to
<louism2wash> lugs that is
<louism2wash> luvs
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<bnagy> why wait?
<bnagy> trips to the bathroom cut into valuable coding time!
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<joelteon> nah, i can plan on the toilet
<Nilium> I just sit on a window ledge and let it run down the 10 stories below me.
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<Nilium> Hm, I wonder how usable RubyMotion is.
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<iliketurtles> i want to repeat a string "string" to make it a certain length. the length might not make the string repeat perfectly, ie, "stringstri" how can I accomplish this?
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<Kelet> >> 'string'.split('').cycle.take(9).join
<eval-in> Kelet => "stringstr" (https://eval.in/38189)
<Kelet> iliketurtles, May not be elegant but it seems to work
<bnagy> that's cute
<iliketurtles> bnagy: :P did you see my mention earlier
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<bnagy> iliketurtles: nope?
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<bnagy> ok I can think of like 5 other ways of doing that, but I like Kelet's best
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<iliketurtles> bnagy: i went with the cosine similarity solution for that challenge from yesterday
<bnagy> cool - how did it work?
<iliketurtles> perfectly!
<iliketurtles> managed to make it very short and concise as well
<iliketurtles> 4 lines of code
<bnagy> which #? 3?
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<iliketurtles> #4
<iliketurtles> well and #3 yeah
<bnagy> so what did you use for your training data, and did you clean it first ( remove punctuation etc )?
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<iliketurtles> i created a Vector, 0-25 are a-z, 26 is spaces, 27 is special characters
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<iliketurtles> found the averages in wikipedia heh
<bnagy> ok
<iliketurtles> punctuation => special chars
<bnagy> does sorting make a diff? I think I decided no, after looking at the manual formula
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<bnagy> basically inner product on sum of squares
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<bnagy> anyway cool. I'll add it to my analysis lib, might come in handy for other stuff
<iliketurtles> i dont believe so
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<iliketurtles> if you use Vector you can do inner product super easily
<bnagy> yeah I'm doing them in Go, so I'll just have to write that bit, but it's pretty trivia;
<iliketurtles> (int_1.inner_product int_2) / (string_vector.norm * english_vector.norm)
<iliketurtles> sorry int_1 = string vector, int_2 = english_vector
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<bnagy> oh, no it does make a diff
<bnagy> what are int_1 and int_2?
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<bnagy> SORRY went blind there
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<iliketurtles> yes sorting makes a difference in my solution
<iliketurtles> not in yours
<codemannew> im getting more into ruby on rails and do any you use functions and i was wondering, what the benefits of using a funciton?
<codemannew> *ruby
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<iliketurtles> codemannew: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/
<bnagy> codemannew: try one of the rails channels
<iliketurtles> yes #rubyonrails
<iliketurtles> also read this for reference: http://api.rubyonrails.org/
<codemannew> yah i was just wondering about like do any of you guys use functions
<codemannew> like what are the benifits of using a funciton when you prorgram, code
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<bnagy> codemannew: try one of the rails channels
<codemannew> oh okay i thought ruby uses functions sorry
<bnagy> methods, which might be only a semantic difference
<bnagy> but given that I have no idea what you actually want to know, you're probably better off asking rails people
<bnagy> because it's impossible to write any non-trivial ruby without using methods
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<codemannew> o
<bnagy> but maybe function is some magic term that means something in rails-land
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<bnagy> Crawford: hm
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<bnagy> I don't get why you have all the weird ivars for remote method strings
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<bnagy> I would at worst make that a single hash and do lookups, or just not use it at all
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<bnagy> and ruby methods are snake_case not camelCase
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<bnagy> Crawford: you can also access the current method with __method__ which could be handy to do your hash lookups
<Crawford> unsure what you mean by that last one...
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<bnagy> post(@api_strings[__method__], options)
<bnagy> could use that for every post
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<bnagy> @api_strings={:setBlah => "setBlahReal" ...
<bnagy> which would probably get you close to being able to do the whole lot through a method_missing dispatcher
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<bnagy> a more rubyish api would be to use hash options anyway, which I think would simplify your code
<bnagy> thing.remote_wipe device: 'whateverdeviceidlookslike'
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<bnagy> saves people screwing up argument order, especially when it's for oldpassword, password
<Crawford> yeah...I figured that'd be mentioned. So are you suggesting to make the options hash an ivar?
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<bnagy> uh
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<bnagy> def method_missing( meth, *args ) post(@uri_lookup[meth], args) end
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<bnagy> then you look up the uri string from your internal list, and just pass on the user args, which should just be a hash
<bnagy> then in post you would convert the hash keys to strings ( so people can use key: 'val' method args )
<bnagy> and make the post
<bnagy> then you don't need any of your intermediate methods
<Crawford> and since extraneous options in the hash will be ignored by the API, there's no need to be selectivve about options
<bnagy> like lines 45-148 or so go away
<Crawford> lol...love it
<Crawford> will give it a shot
<bnagy> that post should be *args by the way, in the method_missing
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<Crawford> bnagy: if some args are required for a method & not others, would I just handle that in method_missing?
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<alainus> I wish peepcode.com wasn't so expensive
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<epitron> *cough*railscasts*cough*
<zendeavor> write some ruby code to crack their security
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<epitron> zendeavor: unfortunately, that's covered in one of the peepcode episodes
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<zendeavor> oh too bad
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<epitron> i recommed railscasts tho
<epitron> also, codeschool looks nice
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<Nilium> The RubyMotion people really like using the term DSL. Reminded me of the video earlier.
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<bnagy> Crawford: sorry I had to make roti
<bnagy> did you get it working?
<Crawford> np
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<bnagy> imho you only need one arg per function, and it will always be a hash
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<bnagy> get rid of all those variable length ordered params
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<epitron> keyword arguments \o/
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<epitron> no more hashes
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<Crawford> wait...keyword arguments > hashes?
<epitron> ruby 2.0 keyword arguments are like python named arguments
<epitron> def thing(a: 1, b: "yes"); p [a, b]; end
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<epitron> thing(b: "omg", a: "reversed!")
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<bnagy> Crawford: but hash args with the 1.9 syntax look identical
<bnagy> they're just a bit of a bait and switch
<bnagy> they look the same to the API user though which is nice
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<wisconsin> anyone tried this? http://rubyluwak.com/
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<Crawford> bnagy: been working on the stuff I was extending the API wrapper for. going to refactor in the morning
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<atmosx> hello
<atmosx> a method that goes like something(mood="good", smile) means that the default value of mood if good if none specified?
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<atmosx> yes
<atmosx> nice
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<stormbytes> hello
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<stormbytes> how do you access documentation for a gem?
<stormbytes> like help files
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<seriously_random> I am stuck on this: http://rubymonk.com/learning/books/4-ruby-primer-ascent/chapters/44-collections/lessons/95-building-collections for a long time <-- "Coming full circle". Would someone show me the answer please?
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<apeiros_> stormbytes: either via the command line tool `ri` or via `gem server` (local webserver)
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<apeiros_> seriously_random: "show me the answer" is not how help in irc works. you show what you did at the very least.
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<stormbytes> how would you access ri for json
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<stormbytes> [~] $ ri gpio
<stormbytes> Nothing known about .gpio
<stormbytes> [~] $ ri wiringPi/
<stormbytes> Nothing known about .wiringPi/
<stormbytes> for a platform that's so incredible in so many ways..
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<stormbytes> ruby's docs implementation is crap
<stormbytes> i mean com on..
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<stormbytes> its so compolicated
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<stormbytes> doesn't need to b
<stormbytes> ugh
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<waxjar> are you sure you have the documentation installed?
<stormbytes> no idea
<stormbytes> man pages get installed automatically
<apeiros_> stormbytes: you know, it doesn't take *that much* intelligence to try `ri --help`
<stormbytes> why would rubygems try to reinvent that wheel exactly
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<stormbytes> apeiros: i just spent an hour playing guessing games with something that should be intuitive
<stormbytes> so, stupid, perhaps but i overlooked that
<waxjar> some people have turned off automatic generation of doc on gem install
<stormbytes> whats' even more stupid is the moron that came up with this retarded and cryptic 'help' system
<waxjar> pry allows you to check documentation even if it's not installed. it's pretty neat
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<stormbytes> docs should be a no-brainer
<apeiros_> stormbytes: well, IMO it is
<seriously_random> apeiros_, I passed the test. I didn't read the question carefully at first, sorry!
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<waxjar> my guess is that you haven't installed them stormbytes
<apeiros_> the only non-brainer part about it is knowing that the command is `ri`
<stormbytes> i don't even know what ri *is*
<stormbytes> there are cryptic mentions of 'ri' and 'rdocs' here and there, bits and pieces
<waxjar> man ri
<atmosx_> ri
<stormbytes> is there a single @#$%@ page on the internet where the Ruby help 'system' is explained on a 4 year old's level?
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<stormbytes> *WHAT IS* ri
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<stormbytes> i know its a 'gem'
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<apeiros_> calm down
<apeiros_> all the swearing is only getting you kicked :-p
<stormbytes> sorry... long (and extraordinalriy crappy week)
<Xeago> stormbytes: man ri => ri displays information about Ruby classes, modules, and methods.
<waxjar> ri --help is pretty clear, imo. what exactly do you wanna know that's not in there?
<stormbytes> well i'm gonna read through it now.
<stormbytes> calling any gem via 'ri gemname' produces nothing
<apeiros_> re: "not generated docs" - what waxjar said is somewhat important. not all package managers install the core ruby docs (e.g. with rvm, you have to do `rvm docs generate` to get core docs), and some people make gems not generate docs by default either
<apeiros_> stormbytes: that's because it's not how it works. it's `ri method` or `ri constant`
<stormbytes> why is it that whoever thought up of man-pages didn't require the same?
<stormbytes> i mean.. if i don't know where to start with a given gem, how can anyone expect that level of specificity?
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<stormbytes> do you really not understand my frustration?
<waxjar> you'd have the same problem if you didnt know how the man command works
<apeiros_> only partially
<apeiros_> a gem usually comes with a readme
<stormbytes> help should be 'help gem-name'
<apeiros_> which should give you good starting points
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<Xeago> if you don't know what to search for, you can also explore the docs on disk
<stormbytes> waxjar - as you can tell, i'm not exactly the sharpest pencil in the box. yet somehow, i've been using 'man command' for years without a hitch. anytime i come across something i'm not sure about, its 'man app' or 'man app method -h'
<stormbytes> amazingly simple
<Xeago> I've seen a rdoc->man package on some weirdass system before
<Xeago> but it was horrible
<stormbytes> with ruby, i need to check if help is installed, generate help files, make 'specific' queries
<waxjar> your problem is that you want ri to behave like man :P
<stormbytes> this tool is essentially useless for general help
<apeiros_> stormbytes: "generate help files" - only if you deactivated the default generation (or use a package manager which did)
<Xeago> depends on how the documentation is done regarding the gem
<apeiros_> not exactly rubys fault
<stormbytes> waxjar : seems like that would be one heck of an improvement, don't you think?
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<apeiros_> and if ruby wouldn't provide a way to deactivate doc generation, you'd have all the screamers and whiners on that one.
<waxjar> no, gems could just use man pages
<stormbytes> ok i'm getting lost here
<waxjar> ri's domain is "displaying information about Ruby classes, modules and methods" :)
<stormbytes> i installed a gem called 'wirringpi'
<stormbytes> is there a *specific* way to get a like-man page on that gem?
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<waxjar> only if the author of the gem created one
<stormbytes> where would one look for said 'help' file?
<waxjar> listed. for a quick overview, see the README of the gem. most of them have one. if they don't, it's a good indicator of a gem that's not gonna be maintained
<waxjar> *listen
<stormbytes> i'm sure when i get up to seeking help on specific classes, methods, etc, that i'll surely revisit *ri*
<waxjar> if you need help on specific methods, use ri or rubydoc.info or whatever
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<stormbytes> well, i appreciate the help (and tolerance) but looking for some 'readme' file isn't what i had in mind
<apeiros_> stormbytes: maybe you want rdoc.info
<stormbytes> is that a command? a domain name?
<apeiros_> domain
<stormbytes> nope
<stormbytes> nada
<stormbytes> wow
<apeiros_> it organizes rdoc/yard docs by gem-name and includes core/stdlib
<stormbytes> ok.. guess i'll have to google stuff
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<Xeago> stormbytes: gems usually come from github, or otherwise from rubygems.com
<stormbytes> i feel like i just ran into a unicorn
<Xeago> if I can't find documentation via those 2 sources, it is best to read the code
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<stormbytes> i'm amazed beyond belief how something so fundamental could have been overlooked so badly
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<apeiros_> you're misconstruing this stormbytes
<apeiros_> it's not been overlooked
<Xeago> consider that gem system is not intended for non-developers
<apeiros_> it's just grown over the decades
<apeiros_> and you insisting on it being and/or acting like man-pages doesn't help either :-p
<apeiros_> I certainly wouldn't want it to be man-pages.
<apeiros_> especially not if I extrapolate it to "all programming languages use man-pages"
<stormbytes> that fact that i need to jump through hoops to get a simple *manual* page on *any* gem in a travesti
<apeiros_> good luck finding the docs then…
<waxjar> what exactly *do* you want?
<stormbytes> well thanks, i'll google and see what i come up with
<Xeago> stormbytes: try google..
<apeiros_> stormbytes: the fact that in 9 years it's been like 2 people having this issue here… doesn't look good on you :-p
<stormbytes> want: a way of accessign a man-like page on *any* gem
<stormbytes> (provided one is included by the author of course)
<Xeago> try rubydoc.info
<stormbytes> apeiros_ : what percentage of ruby developers do you think have shown up here in the last 9 years?
<stormbytes> 50% ?
<stormbytes> more?
<apeiros_> stormbytes: wrong relation
<apeiros_> right relation: how many users have been here vs. how many of those had issues to figure out the doc system
<apeiros_> and that relation is probably somewhere in the sub-promille region
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<stormbytes> *where* is ruby's doc system?
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<stormbytes> i speak 7 languages
<apeiros_> as said at the very beginning of this convo: the command `ri` and `gem server`
<stormbytes> i've been writing php for 5+ years
<stormbytes> i assure you i'm not retarded
<Xeago> stormbytes: ri WiringPi would have given you information would have given you information
<Xeago> there is a top-module for that gem
<apeiros_> stormbytes: and php has man-pages? :D
<waxjar> ri kind of does that stormbytes: ri Array gives you an overview of Array. i agree it's not very extensive, tho
<stormbytes> no php doesn't
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<stormbytes> php has an awesome online help system
<apeiros_> so, did you rave on about that in ##php too?
<Xeago> so do ruby-gems
<Xeago> rubydoc.info is cool too
<apeiros_> also, where's the help files for 3rd party php code?
<apeiros_> because that one isn't on php.net either
<stormbytes> php also does not have anykind of cohesive, community driven class repository like rubygems (well... least it hasn't had one..)
<apeiros_> php has pear
<stormbytes> pear blows
<apeiros_> see
<stormbytes> compared to rubygems? pear is non existent
<apeiros_> so you complain ruby not having what php has is completely wrong by your own account :-p
<waxjar> it has composer, no?
<stormbytes> not even a contestant :)
<stormbytes> php is great for writing web pages, that's about it.
<atmosx_> girlfriend wans to go to sea, and I'm tired what to do?
<stormbytes> i'm not mocking it.. its great :) i made a ton of money with Php over the years
<stormbytes> but its not ruby.
<Xeago> read a book, bring a pillow, don't forget sunscrean
<Xeago> and fall asleep
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<atmosx_> I could get my mba and relax on the sea, but the posture might be awkward + too many people, the internet connection will be slow to death
<atmosx_> Xeago: I do that all the time there.. hmm
* atmosx_ hugs his kindle
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<stormbytes> hehe
<stormbytes> btw.. i tried 'ri WiringPi'
<waxjar> can you read the screen with sunny weather?
<stormbytes> got nada..
<stormbytes> rdoc WiringPi will generate the docs?
<atmosx> waxjar: the mba is not clear, but you can read it.
<waxjar> lucky :p
<atmosx> waxjar: under the umbrella, the sun will melt the machine down here …
<atmosx> otehrwise
<atmosx> the kindle is crystal clear
<stormbytes> i guess i exptected more because the gem writing/sharing convention is so damn pretty :)
<atmosx> shit, writing ruby code on tha beach should be fun, but it's not.
<stormbytes> i mean i can fork a repo on github and exptend the app/utiity by the end of the day
<atmosx> stormbytes: what happens in the end of the day?
<atmosx> we eat usually
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<stormbytes> hmm
<stormbytes> dinner
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<stormbytes> what's Darkfish format?
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<waxjar> stormbytes: is that constant in the list ri -l returns?
<stormbytes> i ran rdoc WirringPi
<waxjar> if not, try gem install --all --ri to install documentation for all gems and check your .gemrc file
<stormbytes> it parsed sources
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<stormbytes> now its "generating darkfish format"
<waxjar> rdoc generates web pages in a doc folder
<stormbytes> ok will try that if this fails
<stormbytes> oh
<stormbytes> ok, no luck
<stormbytes> that's that ;)
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<stormbytes> waxjar : i get [~] $ gem install --all --ri
<stormbytes> ERROR: While executing gem ... (OptionParser::InvalidOption)
<stormbytes> invalid option: --all
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<waxjar> hmm, you're probably on a different version of gem. try gem help rdoc for specifics
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<stormbytes> ok
<stormbytes> there's the output
<stormbytes> nda
<stormbytes> nada
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<waxjar> *gem* rdoc --all --ri. it'll probably spit out something similar though, that's unfortunate :(
<stormbytes> will give that a shot
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<stormbytes> thanks for the help ;)
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<wisconsin> anyone tried this? http://rubyluwak.com/
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<Spami> Can someone explain me the last one is return nil and not ["55555"] here: http://codepad.org/H5lvcABZ ?
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<Xeago> Spami: read the documentation for reject!
<Xeago> it modifies the array in place and returns something, in my opinion, unintuitive
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<Xeago> Spami: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Array.html#method-i-reject-21 Equivalent to #delete_if, deleting elements from self for which the block evaluates to true, but returns nil if no changes were made.
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<apeiros_> Spami: many core methods with ! return nil if nothing changed
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<ccooke> The thing to remember is that ! in a method means it has side effects on the object it's called upon
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<apeiros_> ccooke: actually, that's just convention. matz words were "! means 'be careful'" :)
<apeiros_> also a missing ! doesn't mean it has no side-effects.
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<ccooke> apeiros_: of course
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<ccooke> apeiros_: but the standard meaning of them is a good one, and well worth teaching people to reinforce that
<apeiros_> indeed
<atmosx> why both apeiros_ and coaster are 'red' collored in my IRC client
<atmosx> hmm
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<apeiros> still?
<ccooke> apeiros_: just as there's no language-enforced meaning for methods ending in a ?
<apeiros> indeed again
<apeiros> there's even a core ? method with doesn't return true/false
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<ccooke> apeiros: hmm. I don't remember which method that is. Remind me?
<apeiros> File::size?
<apeiros> File.size?(file_name) -> Integer or nil
<ccooke> huh
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<ccooke> ... *considers starting a petition to fix this heinous error* ;-)
<spider-mario> sounds like what OCaml would call an option
<spider-mario> (Scala and Rust use the same name)
<spider-mario> (Haskell calls that a Maybe)
<ccooke> It's a very nice language feature, and can really help readability
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<seriously_random> How do I complete this: http://pastebin.com/5m7JjdUH
<spider-mario> you can store Time.now at the beginning, run the code (yield), then compute Time.now - (value stored earlier)
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<seriously_random> spider-mario, yes, that's correct, thanks!
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<Spami> Thanks apeiros. I feel stupid now :)
<apeiros> achievement unlocked: made somebody feel stupid today
<apeiros> yay!
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<HardFu> I have the following pseudo-code: MessageDigest = SHA256withRSA(SecretKey, Policy)
<HardFu> how would I achieve that with Ruby?
<apeiros> It'd probably involve OpenSSL
<Xeago> or any other good crypto library
<Xeago> where the definition of good is most often misunderstood
<Xeago> HardFu: mind giving more context?
<Xeago> what security properties do you want and what is the threat/attacker model?
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<HardFu> Sure, I'm trying to sign a policy document to allow users uploading directly to GoogleCDN
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<HardFu> this is what I have, but I get the SignatureDoesNotMatch error
<HardFu> which probably means I've used the wrong encryption process
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<HardFu> I have 0 crypto experience, however, so I'm kinda lost
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<apeiros> Xeago: remember the name of that crypto library a guy was developing in pure ruby? supposed to be good. presented it at least on euruko '12
<peret> HardFu: well then let me be the first one to welcome you to hell.
<HardFu> lol
<HardFu> thank you :)
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<HardFu> regarding my gist, is it correcT?
<HardFu> I mean... it's not, but can anyone point me in the right direction as WHY it's not? :)
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<Xeago> apeiros: I have never done any crypto in ruby
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<Xeago> most on paper, c when necessary
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<Xeago> HardFu: there are several things I don't like about that gist
<Xeago> first the use of Base64.encode64
<Xeago> it delimits, there are other methods that do not do this
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<Xeago> also it is unsure whether that function expects a string, a bytestring, an array of byte values, or any other possibility
<Xeago> also you are not doing anything with rsa
<Xeago> you are not signing it
<Xeago> you only generate a digest
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<Xeago> also, shouldn't you use the PUT api
<Xeago> ?
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<robert_> For some reason, I'm unable to parse @@ header from my DATA section.. anyone have any ideas? :/ http://codepad.org/onEsvn1F
<wisconsin> anyone tried this? http://rubyluwak.com/
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<Xeago> never heard of it, only know of jruby
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<Xeago> I wonder if it compiles or translates code and then compiles
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<Xeago> it seems to use jruby
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<Xeago> annoying that you have to annotate it
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<wisconsin> yeah
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<josh_> Does Ruby support other magic comments than encoding?
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<Xeago> apeiros: thanks for the link to krypt, looks cool
<ericwood> everyone should check out the most useful thing ever I just cranked out: https://gist.github.com/eric-wood/18a456a22d6373ea4ca3
<Xeago> finally I can do one-off crypto in ruby
<wisconsin> josh_: no
<apeiros> yw :)
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<ericwood> because everyone has always wanted the ability to play pong in their terminal
<wisconsin> ericwood: most useful?
<ericwood> yes
<ericwood> most usefulest
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<apeiros> most usefulestestes?
<wisconsin> tmi
<ericwood> tmi?
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<wisconsin> apeiros: i don't want to know how you play pong
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<apeiros> I am not sure what you interpreted into what I said :D
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<wisconsin> apeiros: i'm good at ink blot tests too
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<ericwood> nobody tried my pong game? :(
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<IceDragon> pong? WHERE?
<ericwood> yes, I know I'm asking you to download and run arbitrary code but I promise it's not malicious
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<wisconsin> your code gave me cancer
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<ericwood> good
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<ericwood> it's actually not horrible code; there really is no right way to write curses stuff without it sucking
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<Xeago> I considered it well written curses
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<Xeago> I changed buttons tho
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<Xeago> acceleration seems too fast tbh
<Xeago> particular vertical acceleration
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<waxjar> man im so terrible at pong
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<IceDragon> oh sorry back :O so many windows open..
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<IceDragon> ericwood: :O Well it works, but periodically the pad will pull apart (like some fragments are left behind on screen)
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<Xeago> noticed that as well, think it is a rounding issue
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<IceDragon> :O But thats one neat pong... (better than anything I've ever tried with curses..)
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<ericwood> lol thanks guys
<ericwood> it's a huge hack
<IceDragon> :O It works though
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<alainus> I want to sort an array according to existence of items. Like this: b = []; a = []; d = [a,c]; e = [d, a]; c = [a]; z = [b, a, d, e, c]; z_ordered = [a,b,c,d,e]. The function makes sure that arrays are ordered so that if an element i contains an element j, then i comes after in the ordered j.
<alainus> I want to sort an array according to existence of items. Like this: b = []; a = []; d = [a,c]; e = [d, a]; c = [a]; z = [b, a, d, e, c]; z_ordered = [a,b,c,d,e]. The function makes sure that arrays are ordered so that if an element i contains an element j, then i comes after j in the ordered array.
<alainus> sorry typo
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<skryl> alainus: z.sort { |a,b| (a.is_a(Array) && a[b]) ? b <=> a : a <=> b }
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<apeiros> alainus: build an index hash first, like: index = Hash.new(0); d.each do |x| index[x] = 1 end; e.each do |x| index[x] = 2 end; …
<apeiros> then use sort_by: ary.sort_by { |x| index[x] }
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<alainus> let me try
<alainus> apeiros, shouldn't that be index[x] += 1 ?
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<apeiros> no
<apeiros> as you explained it, all items which exist in e.g. array d have the same sorting index
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<alainus> I should have noted that I don't know a, b, c, d, e in advanced. They are contained in an array z, and I'm looping through it trying to sort it
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<alainus> *in advance
<apeiros> doesn't matter
<apeiros> I'd have recommended to put them into an array anyway
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<apeiros> dunno why I didn't actually write my example code that way. probably because I'm watching SC2 atm.
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<Tricon> Hello, noobs.
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<Nilium> It'd be nice if coffee wasn't necessary to programmer survival.
<apeiros> I survive without coffee just fine
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<Nilium> You must be some sort of weird übermensch.
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<havenwood> welp, time to hop off the tightrope to make way...
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<Nilium> Not sure if Zarathustra reference...
<havenwood> "We have discovered happiness" -- say the Last Men, and they blink.
<Nilium> Ok, now sure.
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<nezumi> Too many Rails folks at Ruby conferences lately.
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<havenwood> Party crashers!
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<Thermo> Rails noob here, is Rails meant to be used for large scale production programs? For instance if Google amazon were to be rewritten with Rails would there be sever limitations?
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<sam113101_> twitter is a rails app
<sam113101_> but they had to rewrite something in scala
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<Kar-_> mmm just learned all about ActiveSupport's Time.zone extensions
<Kar-_> so nice to bin a whole bunch of ugly code and just use that
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<Xeago> that said sam113101_, twitter is more than a rails app, their tweet-pipeline is very interesting
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<sam113101_> is it open source?
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<Xeago> no
<Xeago> some parts are
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<Xeago> twemcache for example
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<cek> is there any way to make #to_s methods auto-encode to utf8?
<cek> # Time.now.utc.to_s.encoding
<cek> !Time.now.utc.to_s.encoding
<cek> where's that bot :)
<MrZYX> >> Time.now.utc.to_s.encoding
<eval-in> MrZYX => #<Encoding:US-ASCII> (https://eval.in/38210)
<cek> and here i'm getting => #<Encoding:ASCII-8BIT>
<cek> >> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in> cek => "2.0.0" (https://eval.in/38211)
<cek> 1.9.3 here
<cek> >> YAML.dump(Time.now.utc.to_s)
<eval-in> cek => uninitialized constant YAML (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/38212)
<cek> >> require 'yaml'; YAML.dump(Time.now.utc.to_s)
<eval-in> cek => (https://eval.in/38213)
<cek> any way to make yaml output strings instead of binaries?
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<MrZYX> [5] pry(main)> YAML.dump Time.now.utc.to_s #=> "--- '2013-07-20 19:29:44 UTC'\n"
<cek> or #to_s return utf8/ascii and not 8bit ascii
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<cek> see the link above for 193
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<apeiros> you'd think those would pay heed to default_internal encoding, seems they don't.
<MrZYX> yeah
<MrZYX> easy answer: update to 2.0 already! :P
<apeiros> same there
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<MrZYX> but YAML.dump isn't as stupid, see above
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<Nilium> People not on 2.0 must be punished :|
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<havenwood> Use 2.1 already, live in the NOW...
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<cek> i just switched to 193 and now yo're proposing me 20
<MrZYX> it's the current stable release
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<Nilium> The amazing thing is when I learn that people still use 1.8.7
<Nilium> It's like they hate good things.
<Xeago> could anyone explain me how the conditional in the while loop for the source of Prime#prime_division works?
<Nilium> ow it works?
<Nilium> What don't you understand about it? Since that might help figure out what you're asking.
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* apeiros is stuck with 1.9 until spreadsheet gem works reliably on 2.0 :(
<apeiros> and sadly for once I probably won't have enough time to "just patch it up"
<Nilium> I wonder what in 2.0 would break that, considering the changes between 1.9.3 and 2.0 shouldn't affect too many things
<Nilium> Apparently 1.9.3 support in it .. iffy already. So that might be the problem.
<Nilium> +is
<Nilium> I accidentally a verb.
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<apeiros> yupp
<apeiros> I also like how they closed the issue which said it didn't work on 2.0
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<apeiros> because… you close issues when they're still open…
<Xeago> link please?
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<krainboltgreene> I want to do two long running io processes at the same exact time.
<Xeago> wow, what a bad reason to close it..
<waxjar> lol
<Nilium> So what's the actual issue with it? O_o
<apeiros> yeah, wanted to comment back then. did now.
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<havenwood> Seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what an Issue is...
<havenwood> yeeksh
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<havenwood> Opposite of tagging for easy finding, close is!
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<havenwood> close it*
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<dobry-den> as an alternative to zdavatz/spreadsheet, check out https://github.com/Empact/roo (i wasn't following yall's discussion)
<dobry-den> i don't remember what issue i had with spreadsheet but i switched to Roo and it was an improvement for my usecase
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<apeiros> dobry-den: that doesn't write iirc
<apeiros> or didn't back when I cobbled some gems together to make something useful
<dobry-den> ah that's be critical
<dobry-den> that'd*
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<apeiros> I want to replace the dependencies on those other gems, but excel binary format? eeeeek.
<dobry-den> i had to lay down some hacks to both gems a while back and the mutation in both libs made it pretty hard to hack
<apeiros> the code of all excel related gems made me want to puke
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<apeiros> one guy in that issue mentioned writeexcel, I might try that one
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<Xeago> excel makes me want to puke
<apeiros> that too
<apeiros> and I mean both, the format and the app
<apeiros> had a couple of rantweets just a few days ago…
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<Xeago> years ago
<Xeago> when I had a java assignment
<Xeago> I built a service that accepted a csv, and output xlsx
<Xeago> but I think you need fancier capabilities right
<Xeago> colors, functions, graphs etc?
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<Nilium> I'm kind of glad I never had java assignments. Sort of. Would probably have helped me get acquainted with it sooner, but I'm not unhappy that I got to avoid it.
<Xeago> it was part of a group project, for which we had to use java, the only project that demanded java
<Xeago> the only project that is done in java
<Nilium> Ah, group projects.
<Nilium> Those are how you can tell who seriously enjoys programming.
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<Xeago> nobody knew how to spit out xlsx as was requested
<Xeago> I knew com was a mess
<Xeago> so I just hacked together a screenflow on a vm
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<Xeago> using purely java libraries to control the vm :)
<Xeago> (those libraries might have had tools/dependencies in other languages)
<Nilium> I definitely wouldn't know how to spit out xlsx without reading the spec first, so that's probably fair.
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<Xeago> they wanted us to interface with COM or DCOM
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<Xeago> which is just as big as a mess
<apeiros> I have a bit of code to spit out proper xlsx
<Nilium> That's just mean.
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<apeiros> though excel on windows complains about it. but it can open it just fine.
<Xeago> MSO provides com interfaces, but it is a pita
<apeiros> headless openoffice (libreoffice) :)
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<digitalcake> anyone here ever try to pair up with strangers for a little pair programming session? If so is there a chan you know of that I can join to start a pair session with someone?
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<havenwood> digitalcake: i dunno of a dedicated channel, this is prolly a good one to look in
<Xeago> digitalcake: not me usually, I saw a submission on HN this week
<Xeago> that had that functionality
<Xeago> floobits or something it was called
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<havenwood> If there were people marked available...: http://rubypair.com
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<digitalcake> havenwood: nice site, thanks
<dobry-den> that sounds fun
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<Xeago> could anyone explain me how the conditional in the while loop for the source of Prime#prime_division works? http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/prime/rdoc/Prime.html#method-i-prime_division
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<Kelet> Xeago, divmod returns 2 values, they are set to value1 (the div) and mod (the mod)
<apeiros> oh wow, ugly :D
<Kelet> Xeago, It then presumably checks if the mod value is 0
<Kelet> and if it's 0, continue
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<Kelet> err, continue looping I mean
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<apeiros> and I think that's not exactly a fast prime division algorithm
<Kelet> You can do multiple assignment in ruby: try it - value1, mod = 6.divmod(3)
<Kelet> >> value1, mod = 6.divmod(3)
<eval-in> Kelet => [2, 0] (https://eval.in/38229)
<apeiros> Kelet: I think he was more confused about the multiline usage
<apeiros> (x,y = 1,2; x) # => x
<apeiros> and since ; and newline can be used interchangeably…
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<Xeago> didn't know divmod returned 2 values..
<Xeago> apeiros: it is fairly fat
<apeiros> well, technically it returns an array
<Kelet> returns the result of division and the remainder
<Kelet> most languages have some divmod
<Kelet> even C does
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<Kelet> in C it's called div, though
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<Xeago> tbh, I didn't even look at what mod was assigned
<Xeago> it looked to gibberish for me lol
<Xeago> apeiros: do you have a faster version?
<Kelet> Hmm yeah that code is somewhat messy
<Kelet> I wouldn't code it like that, that's for sure
<apeiros> Xeago: not from the top of my head
<Xeago> (for finding [[base_n,exponent_n],..]
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<apeiros> but I had looked into prime division and the faster algorithms weren't "just divide by all prime numbers"
<Xeago> I deduced this is quick
<apeiros> especially not if your prime number generator is slow too
<Xeago> they have several generators, but the 23 one is slow
<apeiros> oh, wait, ruby 2.0 iirc has better prime number generators I think
<Xeago> there is sieve, trialdivision and 23
<apeiros> sieves are pretty fast, but only work for "lower" numbers
<apeiros> at least in plain ruby :)
<Xeago> they require way more memory than 23 tho
<Kelet> Just don't use Havenwood's method :) https://gist.github.com/havenwood/4724778
<Kelet> /s
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<Kelet> If I remember correctly though, and this might not be true in high-level languages, but assuming you do / and then %, you are practically doing the same operation twice. Thus div or divmod is preferred say if you have it in a huge loop.
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<Kelet> And of course some compilers might optimize this too
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<iliketurtles> assuming I've implemented a String#^ (xor) function, is this a valid way to calculate the hamming distance between two strings (number of differing bits): (self ^ other).tr("\x00",'').length
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<apeiros> I think so
<apeiros> though tr(a, '') usually means you should just use delete(a) instead
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<crocket> Is ruby suitable for large projects?
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<crocket> what about web programs?
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<iliketurtles> apeiros: weird, I seem to be getting the wrong output regardless
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<apeiros> iliketurtles: a) your encodings are wrong, b) your String#^ is wrong, c) your reference for right/wrong is wrong :)
<apeiros> I think common String#^ isn't what you need for hamming distance btw.
<apeiros> oh, wait
<apeiros> no, I'm making a mess
<iliketurtles> apeiros: ^_^
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<apeiros> it depends on what you want
<iliketurtles> the number of differing bits
<apeiros> yeah, then the .tr("\x00",'').length is wrong
<iliketurtles> that's just checking the number of differing characters?
<iliketurtles> it would seem
<apeiros> that doesn't tell you how many 1-bits are in the string. it only tells you how many non-0-*bytes* are in
<apeiros> not even that
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<apeiros> since "a" ^ "b" != "\x00"
<iliketurtles> sure, its "\x03"
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<apeiros> you want .unpack("B*").first.count("1")
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<iliketurtles> apeiros: ah brilliant
<apeiros> don't count on me, though. it's >25°C here, and I'm having half a headache in addition.
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<iliketurtles> naw that works
<iliketurtles> can you guide me through what that does? .unpack("B*") just unpacks the string into a bit string
<iliketurtles> and counts each instance of "1"
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<iliketurtles> so, what does the 1 represent in the bit array in this case?
<iliketurtles> bit string * sorry
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<matti> iliketurtles: A set bit I'd imagine?
<iliketurtles> matti: sure, a set bit indeed. so i've XOR'd two strings, and essentially im analyzing each resulting bit of the XOR, and for any that are 1 it counts as a differing bit?
<matti> They are not strings is "string" sense.
<matti> They are bunch of bytes.
<matti> After calling unpack.
<matti> A blob of crap if you wish ;p
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<iliketurtles> sure, the bit representation of each char in the string
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<matti> You can do this like: n = 256 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
<matti> In Ruby
<matti> Kelet: n = 256 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
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<matti> Sorry.
<iliketurtles> wrong mention :P
<matti> eval-in: n = 256 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
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<iliketurtles> >> n = 256 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
<eval-in> iliketurtles => {0=>0, 1=>0, 2=>0, 3=>0, 4=>0, 5=>0, 6=>0, 7=>0, 8=>1} (https://eval.in/38230)
<matti> Oh.
<matti> Ah, yes.
<matti> Haha
<matti> That one.
<iliketurtles> ^_^ haha
<iliketurtles> so what does that do
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<matti> Change n and see :)
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<iliketurtles> >> n = 512 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
<eval-in> iliketurtles => {0=>0, 1=>0, 2=>0, 3=>0, 4=>0, 5=>0, 6=>0, 7=>0, 8=>0} (https://eval.in/38231)
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<iliketurtles> >> n = 128 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
<eval-in> iliketurtles => {0=>0, 1=>0, 2=>0, 3=>0, 4=>0, 5=>0, 6=>0, 7=>1, 8=>0} (https://eval.in/38232)
<iliketurtles> >> n = 64 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
<eval-in> iliketurtles => {0=>0, 1=>0, 2=>0, 3=>0, 4=>0, 5=>0, 6=>1, 7=>0, 8=>0} (https://eval.in/38233)
<iliketurtles> i see
<iliketurtles> >> n = 2 ; (0 .. 8).inject({}) { |h, i| h[i] = n[i]; h }
<eval-in> iliketurtles => {0=>0, 1=>1, 2=>0, 3=>0, 4=>0, 5=>0, 6=>0, 7=>0, 8=>0} (https://eval.in/38234)
<matti> 0 2 4 8 16 ...
<matti> Bit wrangling in Ruby is funny.
<iliketurtles> yeah starting to feel that
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<matti> >> '255.255.255.0'.split('.').map { |e| e = e.to_i; (0 .. 8).inject(0) { |s, i| s += e[i] } }.inject(:+)
<eval-in> matti => 24 (https://eval.in/38235)
<matti> More real-life example ;]
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<matti> iliketurtles: https://github.com/kenn/bitwise
<matti> iliketurtles: This might help.
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<iliketurtles> matti: thanks dood
<matti> Sure thing.
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<apeiros> matti: inject with += means you didn't understand inject :-p
<matti> Eh
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<matti> Yes, drop =.
<matti> A habit.
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<matti> Ruby is not the only one language I use.
<apeiros> baaaad habbit :-p
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<matti> apeiros: You've wretched my self-esteem.
<matti> :(
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<apeiros> achievement unlocked: made somebody lose his self-esteem today
<matti> Haha
<apeiros> double achievement unlocked: unlocked making somebody feel stupid and somebody lose his self-esteem on the same day!
<apeiros> I'm awesome that way :D
<matti> Whoo.
<matti> Yeah.
<matti> Its a combo, like in Mortal Combat.
<apeiros> I keep a tally at work to count how many times my coworkers go "aaaaw, why didn't *I* see that?!?"
<matti> ;p
<matti> Ask them for a penny for each.
<matti> You may get nice retirement ;p
<apeiros> there aren't enough pennies :(
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<apeiros> also, would I buy thailand or the dominican republic? tough decision…
<Lewix> hi
<apeiros> hi Lewix
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<matti> apeiros: ;p
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<nezumi> Just ordered the Beta version of Programming Elixir
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<matti> Elixir sounds like fun ;]
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<nezumi> I still haven't wrapped my mind around functional programming
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