apeiros changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 2.0.0-p195: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p429) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<texasmynsted> how do I downgrade a gem in a bundle?
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<texasmynsted> hmm. maybe bundle update
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<TheBeast> does rbenv support multiple ruby installations? for ex. 2.0.0.-195 residing under different directories/paths? My goal is to deploy multiple rubies with the same version under different paths without poisoning the userland
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<BrianJ> what am i doing wrong here? http://pastie.org/8084386
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<BrianJ> having issues with multi dimensional hashes
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<BrianJ> or atleast accessing them
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<TheBeast> ex: /home/user/foo/2.0.0-p195/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/{gem1,gem2,gemZ} or /home/user/bar/2.0.0-p195/lib/ruby/gems/2.0.0/gems/{gem1,gem2,gem3}
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<bnagy> BrianJ: you're using a string when you should be using a :symbol
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<pontiki_> leedle more than that
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<pontiki_> property and property2 can't have : on *both* ends
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<brotatos> I want to iterate through an array of strings and only print the values after a certain variable. What's the easiest way to do this? Here's what I've got so far: https://gist.github.com/7ef0c03b06c51ec1e2c9
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<pontiki_> also, BrianJ, when you use #each on a hash, you get something a bit different that you may be expecting.
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<pontiki_> >> props={p1: {name: "a", item: "i1", value: "v1"}, p2: {name: "b", item: "i2", value: "v2}}; props.each{|prop| p prop.inspect}
<eval-in> pontiki_ => /tmp/execpad-92db3fe8eca9/source-92db3fe8eca9:5: syntax error, unexpected tGVAR, expecting '}' ... (https://eval.in/35137)
<pontiki_> >> props={p1: {name: "a", item: "i1", value: "v1"}, p2: {name: "b", item: "i2", value: "v2"}}; props.each{|prop| p prop.inspect}
<eval-in> pontiki_ => "[:p1, {:name=>\"a\", :item=>\"i1\", :value=>\"v1\"}]" ... (https://eval.in/35138)
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<pontiki_> see how each results in an array?
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<bnagy> brotatos: for loops are not idiomatic ruby
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<brotatos> bnagy: ah. i'll change that real quick.
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<bnagy> and do you want the values after, or all the values but?
<brotatos> bnagy: values after
<brotatos> But I don't know how to write it.
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<popl> do a slice
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<popl> starting at the index of "var1"
<popl> then do each
<brotatos> I've never "slice" before.
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<bnagy> >> a=%w(a b c d); a[a.rindex('b')..-1]
<eval-in> bnagy => ["b", "c", "d"] (https://eval.in/35141)
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<bnagy> bleah off by one
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<popl> bnagy: a=%w(a
<popl> :|
<popl> yo dawg
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<bnagy> popl: uh.. wat?
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<popl> bnagy: you can't do an each on an array slice?
<popl> or is that not idiomatic?
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<bnagy> sure, I just didn't put the each in
<popl> oh you mean my comment
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<popl> you said a is equal to a list of words starting with a
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<popl> or I mean you assigned that list to a
<bnagy> I did
<popl> aception
<brotatos> bnagy: i think i got it. https://gist.github.com/brotatos/7ef0c03b06c51ec1e2c9
<bnagy> brotatos: oh, that's kinda nice
<brotatos> bnagy: yeah
<brotatos> Thanks for the help!
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<bnagy> saves rindex('blah')+1 which is oogly
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<popl> that brings up a question though
<popl> why save those values you don't want into the array in the first place?
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<brotatos> popl: this is code i'm going to use to print out commands in a script that would run had the script not failed.
<brotatos> popl: i'm going to put all the commands into an array that it would run if it completes normally.
<brotatos> popl: specifically, in this function https://github.com/iFixit/git-scripts/blob/master/lib/git.rb#L85
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<bnagy> while system(commands.pop);end; puts "Shit, didn't run #{commands}" unless commands.empty?
<bnagy> oh unshift, sry
<brotatos> bnagy: where would you put that?
<brotatos> bnagy: also, command is the specific command you want to run. here's an example of usage: https://github.com/iFixit/git-scripts/blob/master/bin/feature#L22
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<bnagy> I dunno, just saying if you've got an array of things you're trying to exec you can probably handle the whole 'tracking which ones didn't run' thing primarily
<bnagy> but my coffee is kicking in now and I guess I need to do some work
<brotatos> bnagy: i'm going to hange run_safe to take an array named commands that contains everything.
<brotatos> which will make the code simpler in the long run
<brotatos> bnagy: the problem with using pop is taht it would run the very last command first
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<pontiki_> use shift instead then
<bnagy> while (command=commands.unshift); unless system(command); puts "Failed on #{command} with #{commands} left to run
<bnagy> shift
<bnagy> jesus maybe my coffee hasn't kicked in after all
<brotatos> sweet
<bnagy> probably raise instead of puts in real life
<brotatos> yeah
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<jsonperl> I'm having a weird problem with bundler acting differently on my production environment (linux) than it does on dev (osx)
<jsonperl> It doesn't seem to load a dependeny correctly
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<jsonperl> a gem has: s.add_runtime_dependency "recursive-open-struct"
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<jsonperl> yet it doesn't seem to load it in prod… any help?
<jsonperl> "cannot load such file -- recursive_open_struct"
<jsonperl> from the require line
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<bnagy> is it installed?
<jsonperl> its in the lock file
<sevenseacat> do dashes vs underscores make a difference there?
<jsonperl> and its bundled
<bnagy> I don't know what any of those things mean
<bnagy> bundler is a pile of crap afaict
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<jsonperl> i can try… the gem is recursive-open-struct but the lib is recursive_....
<jsonperl> ykatz would disagree
<jsonperl> i actually think it's quite brilliant
<bnagy> but if it's not installed it's not going to be able to be required
<sevenseacat> well is it installed?
<pontiki_> how are you running bundle?
<sevenseacat> i think the idea of bundler is awesome
<pontiki_> any tool has it's limitations
<pontiki_> bundler, though, is quite exceptional for what it does
<jsonperl> agreed
<jsonperl> remember when we didn't have it????
<pontiki_> the entire gem dependecy structure is all kinds of fupped duck
<jsonperl> it's amazing
<jsonperl> anyway...
<pontiki_> but bundler solves a lot of it
<jsonperl> so this is weird
<pontiki_> so, yeah
<jsonperl> recursive-open-struct-0.4.3/lib/recursive-open-struct.rb:1:in `require': cannot load such file -- recursive_open_struct
<jsonperl> when i require 'recursive-open-struct' it actually tries to load THAT file… which cannot load the other file in that gem
<pontiki_> hmm
<jsonperl> why must people use dashes
<sevenseacat> sounds like a problem with the gem
<jsonperl> why why why why
<bnagy> identical ruby versions?
<jsonperl> ruby 1.9.3p392 (2013-02-22 revision 39386) [x86_64-darwin12.3.0]
<jsonperl> ruby 1.9.3p392 (2013-02-22 revision 39386) [i686-linux]
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<pontiki_> oh ffs, what the hell are they doing?
<bnagy> ok.. I don't see why either should work then
<bnagy> they don't have a relative require there
<pontiki_> no they don't
<jsonperl> yea
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<bnagy> also.. fuck, ew
<jsonperl> haha
<bnagy> a one line dashed version just in case?
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<pontiki_> in a vague attempt to be dash/underscore agnostic, they blew it up
<jsonperl> haha
<pontiki_> so, which of your gems is calling it?
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<jsonperl> its my own
<jsonperl> :git => my_own_friggen_git_thing
<pontiki_> then call it correctly and be done with it
<jsonperl> as in?
<pontiki_> make your gem s.add_runtime_dependency "recursive_open_struct"
<jsonperl> ahhhhhhhhhhh
<pontiki_> also, when you are installing in prod, make sure you bundle correctly
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<jsonperl> as in?
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<jsonperl> i bundle with deployment flag
<jsonperl> no dev test
<jsonperl> but not much to it
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<jsonperl> pontiki_: that won't work as a runtime dependecy
<jsonperl> since it's not a gem
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<jsonperl> this is still an outstanding issue?
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<jsonperl> i feel like i have dependencies managed all over the place from my gems
<jsonperl> hmm
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<jsonperl> why do we bother with add_runtime_dependency blahblahblah anyway??
<jsonperl> why not just manage it all in the gemfile then
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<pontiki_> just use add_dependency
<jsonperl> i just pasted the file
<jsonperl> :D
<jsonperl> into my gem
<popl> heh
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<jsonperl> i'll fight this battle another day… though I'm confused as to whats going wrong here
<jsonperl> but homeboy gotta deploy
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<jsonperl> add_dependency(gem, *requirements)
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<popl> << (1..10).to_a.send(:reverse)
<popl> >>
<eval-in> popl => nil (https://eval.in/35151)
<popl> hah
* popl dies
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<RobW_> Couple quick hackey questions:
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<RobW_> If I'm merging data structures and need to pull keys and value out of a data structure, is it better in Ruby to use arrays of arrays: [[key, val],[key, val]] or an array of objects: [{key:val}, {key:val}]
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<popl> isn't that second thing a syntax error?
<RobW_> popl: Prob, I'm not a ruby person
<popl> do you mean =>?
<pontiki_> is it?
<RobW_> maybe {key=>val, key=>val} is better
<popl> if so, you are asking about arrays of hashes?
<pontiki_> >> [{k1: "v1"}, {k2: "v2"}]
<eval-in> pontiki_ => [{:k1=>"v1"}, {:k2=>"v2"}] (https://eval.in/35152)
<popl> because an array of arrays is still an array of objects
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<popl> pontiki_: that gives me an error in irb
<pontiki_> when you say "pull keys and value out of a data structure", do you mean remove them? or just find out what they are?
<RobW_> so basically I want to merge two data structures and overwrite duplicate keys, and also want access to the keys as strings at some point.
<popl> oh d'oh. no it doesn't. I made a typo
<pontiki_> oh
<RobW_> Thanks for spending some time pointing a ruby newb in the right direction.
<pontiki_> hash1.merge(hash2)
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<pontiki_> duplicate keys in hash2 will overwrite the ones in hash1
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<RobW_> pontiki_: Thanks.
<popl> >> {k => 'v'}
<eval-in> popl => undefined local variable or method `k' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/35153)
<popl> d'oh
<pontiki_> note: this is top level only
<popl> >> {k: => 'v'}
<eval-in> popl => /tmp/execpad-66a49100f144/source-66a49100f144:2: syntax error, unexpected => ... (https://eval.in/35154)
<popl> haha
* popl needs to read more
<RobW_> pontiki_: Thanks.
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<RobW_> Thanks for giving me a starting point.
<RobW_> Laters!
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<popl> pontiki_: thanks for clarifying
<pontiki_> nw :)
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<popl> => does not work like perl's fat comma
<pontiki_> i was just looking at your comment and trying to figure out where i was wrong
<popl> pontiki_: you're probably righter about ruby than I am
<popl> I just started learning the language seriously a few days ago
<popl> I'm making myself stomach why's thing
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<popl> in Perl => is like comma but it quotes the thing to the left, so you can make a hash with (a=>1) and it'd be ('a'=>1)
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<pontiki_> yeah, perl is fun too :)
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<bnagy> >> {k: 3}
<eval-in> bnagy => {:k=>3} (https://eval.in/35156)
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<popl> bnagy: it's :k like pontiki_ put up there ^
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<popl> er
<popl> nevermind
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<popl> I really need to get some sleep. :P
<popl> sorry
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<bnagy> alternate hash syntax, came in in 1.9 so we could kind-of fake keyword arguments
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<popl> yeah I actually experimented successfully with it in irb but I'm retarded.
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<popl> >>{k: 1}
<eval-in> popl => {:k=>1} (https://eval.in/35157)
<RubyPanther> naw, we could fake it already, we can fake it pretty now
<RubyPanther> it's like a whole new shade of fake-gold!
<popl> bnagy: see, that's how tired I am. I thought you got an error doing it the way you did. I didn't read it clearly.
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<popl> bnagy: how long have you been coding in ruby?
<bnagy> dunno, 05 06 I guess
<popl> nice
<popl> polyglot?
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<bnagy> not in any serious way
<bnagy> I did perl ada c asm etc before that, back in the dim dark ages
<popl> ada :)
<bnagy> I still have to read c / asm but I don't write it when I have any choice at all
<bnagy> Go is giving me ada flashbacks :(
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<popl> I like x86 but you might be able to tell from my nickname
<popl> I tried Go on their website.
<popl> It seemed neat.
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<popl> I never really did anything serious in ada but it made me smile because my old professor used ada for some programming contest solutions back in the day
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<popl> that was before he started using Java for everything
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<popl> my Perl knowledge is helping me understand ruby pretty quickly
<popl> send is interesting
<popl> reminds me of erlang messages
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<popl> so basically ruby is aiming to make me nostalgic :P
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<bnagy> ruby is a lot like perl but with less line noise and proper oo
<bnagy> although the 3 people who still use perl keep trying to tell me they have improved that now
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<popl> heh
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<popl> do you mean the three people here that still use perl?
<popl> because a lot more than three people use perl :P
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<popl> we have OO with introspection and roles and all sorts of neat stuff now
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<popl> the biggest obstacle is that everyone has that mental model of perl-from-last-century
<popl> that's how we refer to it too because it's changed so damned much
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<popl> then you know someone's got a friend who's got a kid who's got a friend that "knows" the language and they end up finding some tutorial on the web from 1996 so they use *that* and then people get that idea of the language.
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<popl> I'm sure it's not particular to Perl, though.
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<Judge> moin @ all :)
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<TheBeast> can rbenv learn about ruby installs besides the system wide one and whatever has been pulled via rbenv install <version> <path> ?
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<postmodern> TheBeast, you can symlink other ruby installs into ~/.rbenv/version/$name-of-ruby
<TheBeast> a symlink to the 'ruby' binary?
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<Judge> I'd like to learn ruby! But I currently ask myself if I should go with a book which covers 1.9 and 2.0 or one which sticks to 1.8? I'd be very happy for a Community - opinion from people familiar with day to day ruby. I know that version numbers do not rewind and that higher indicates newer and that 1.9 and 2.x is the future. But the real question is, how mature these already are for reasonable,practical
<Judge> usage? I know that Python currently also switches from 2.7 to 3.2 and there it is a fact that *many* modules and frameworks aren't available yet for 3.2. So many Python Projects still stick to 2.7 and seem to stay that way for a long time. I'd like to get an overvie of the situation in ruby, before I learn and buy a book for a version of the language.
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<hoelzro> Judge: I would say learn 1.9
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<hoelzro> 1.8 is pretty much EOL, and I don't know if a lot of material exists for 2.0 yet
<hoelzro> but I think it's good to be aware of what 2.0 brings
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<Judge> hoelzro: So, what you're saying is that the main focus should be on 1.9 and from there go to 2.0 any time?
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<hoelzro> that's my opinion
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<hoelzro> I would see what others have to say here as well =)
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<Judge> hoelzro: Thanks for telling your opinion :)
<hoelzro> happy to provide =)
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<Judge> Are there additional opinions?
<Judge> Can someone suggest a good book? It don't have to be free.
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<popl> what?
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<hoelzro> Judge: do you know how to program already?
<hoelzro> or is Ruby your first langauge?
<hoelzro> *language
<Judge> hoelzro: First one.
<hoelzro> hmm
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<Judge> Sorry, that was missleading: My first language :)
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<hoelzro> I learned from a great book, but it's geared towards devs with at least one language under their belt =(
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<hoelzro> I hear that the pickaxe book is quite good
<hoelzro> but I can't vouch for it personally
<Judge> hoelzro: Then you probably speak of "Heads first", don't you? ;)
<hoelzro> I learned from "The Ruby Programming Language"
<Judge> OK ... Hmm .
<hoelzro> which is pretty much the only programming book I recommend to anyone
<hoelzro> which really says something about how highly I think of it =)
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* Hanmac does not know how he learns ruby, because he never reads such RubyBook
<popl> Hanmac: probably with great frustration and lots of bad habits
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<Hanmac> popl i readed the Script Code of Enterbrains Makers, that was enough for me to learn ruby
<Judge> hoelzro: I know some of the "Heads first" books which I buyed to get a feel for several languages. The Python book also "requires" knowledge in another language. But in reality, the level they need is very low; it's enough to know what a loop , a variable, etc. is. How strong / deep is the need to know another language in that book of yours?
<hoelzro> hmm
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<popl> enterbrains makers?
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<hoelzro> good question; I read it over a year ago
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<hoelzro> to me, it seemed like it would be hard for a person new to programming to fully understand
<Judge> hoelzro: OK, then it might really not be the right one for me .
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<popl> Hanmac: :P
<popl> Hanmac: rmxp?
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<Hanmac> popl: my first was 2k and 2k3, but they didt have scripting system ... later i used rmxp and the onther ones (i didnt get ace working on my linux but i used ther default scripts)
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<puppeh> are arrays garbage collected in ruby?
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<Hanmac> puppeh: if they are not used anymore, than yes
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<puppeh> i'm creating a quiz and i'm not sure about a question I've put
<puppeh> i'm 98% sure :P
<puppeh> so between symbols, strings & arrays, only symbols are *not* GCed
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<puppeh> right?
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<Hanmac> hm yep
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<niels__> i upgraded to 2.0, but now my inst. dir and exec dir is still 1.9.3, and i can't use newly installed gems, how do i change it all to 2.0? here's my gem env: http://pastebin.com/5KEAZJD6
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<Hanmac> niels__: hm it looks like an rvm bug ,P ... you can try to ask at #rvm
<niels__> Hanmac: already did :(
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<Hanmac> hm how did you "upgrade to 2.0" did you use rvm for that too or do you install it yourself?
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<niels__> Hanmac: this might sound stupid, but i honestly don't recall
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<sevenseacat> lol good start
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<Hanmac> niels__: hm for me it look like that you install 1.9.3 via rvm and 2.0 via source, what happen when you make a new console and try "gem env" again? does something change?
<niels__> Hanmac: no, it's the same
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<niels__> Hanmac: perhaps i should just do a rvm upgrade ruby?
<Hanmac> maybe that helps, i dont know i never used rvm
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<niels__> okay, thanks - i'll figure something out
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<aag1091> hi
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<lewis> hi
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<dawkirst> Hi, is there anywhere specific (I'm thinking something akin to SO) I can ask questions relating to high-level architecture (agnostic to any specific stack)?
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<atmosx> dawkirst: SO would befine imho.
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<dawkirst> atmosx, ok, ty
<Hanmac> someday my gems will be "high-level architecture" too ;P
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<atmosx> Hanmac: I just released by 1st gem. Found 3 bugs already.
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<Hanmac> atmosx: do you mean one of my gems?
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<atmosx> Hanmac: hahah no no.
<atmosx> Hanmac: I made a gem the other day... to help a guy install a script of mine in his system which required some ruby-fu and he wasn't up to the task apparently
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<xeviox> sorry guys, I'm sure someone explained it here, but I'm unable to find it in the logs / web. At the moment I'm using the "wrong" "require ./somefile". What do I have to do to add the current folder to the load path?
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<xeviox> is it simply: "$LOAD_PATH.unshift(File.dirname(__FILE__))" ?
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<MrZYX> yup
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<MrZYX> or starting ruby with ruby -I.
<MrZYX> ideally all files you need to require are in a subfolder, like lib though
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<lewis> what does shift and unshift do again
<MrZYX> shift is << (append), unshift is prepend
<lewis> push and pull?
<MrZYX> no
<MrZYX> push and prepend
<MrZYX> wait, I'm talking garbage
<MrZYX> push and pull but on the other end of the array
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<MrZYX> shift = take first element, unshift = prepend array with element
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<MrZYX> and pop was the more correct term for pull
<MrZYX> lewis: best get irb and an array and try them all out ;)
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<lewis> MrZYX: push and pop
<lewis> in reverse
<MrZYX> yup
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<lewis> i remember there's a subtle difference between << and the push
<xeviox> MrZYX: I have a Sinatra application where the files are spread over a couple of folders (models, routes, ...)
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<xeviox> but thanks for the answer :D
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<xeviox> any ideas how I can strip the module name from datamapper?
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<xeviox> tried to the convention ('./models/somemodel' => 'Models::SomeModel'), but now datamapper looks for "models_somemodel" table
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<Hanmac> xeviox: goto #rubyonrails
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<xeviox> Hanmac: thanks, I've seen there is a datamapper channel
<xeviox> Hanmac: yeah, I also used php before, but I'm totally happy with ruby / Sinatra
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<pontiki_> lewis: << works on other classes; push is Arrays
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<pontiki_> Stack: push/pop;unshift/shift: LIFO. Queue: push/shift;unshift/pop: FIFO.
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<lewis> pontiki_: thanks
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<Hanmac> also funny with them is the rotate function:
<Hanmac> >> [1,2,3,4].rotate 2
<eval-in> Hanmac => [3, 4, 1, 2] (https://eval.in/35195)
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<pontiki_> i wonder what use is .rotate that it's part of core
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<Hanmac> becaue it can? ;P
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<pontiki_> "it" in this case being the ruby devs
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<dominikh> there's a lot of stuff in core..
<dominikh> rotation is a somewhat useful function for certain algorithms though
<dominikh> AES comes to mind, even though you probably wouldn't implement it yourself, nor in Ruby :)
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<pontiki_> dominikh: thats what i was wondering abt; there's lots of darkly arcane bits of some algs i just dont know. including something like that in core tells me theres more use thsn i can immediately imagine
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<mighub> Hello. I have a piece of code with an encoding incompatibility problem and I was wondering what is the best way to deal with it. Here is the code:
<mighub> fields = columns.inject(""){|out,c|out+crushyfield(c)}
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<mighub> What crushyfield sends back is either ascii or utf8 depending on if it has non ascii chars or not
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<Hanmac> "A judge has barred his attorney from mentioning freedom of speech during trial." ... yeah, totaly the land of the free
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<Sp4rKy> is there any recommended daemonizing framework ?
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<Sp4rKy> "daemons" seems well known, but not eavily maintained
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<maetthew> Sp4rKy: Maybe Dante? It hasn't been updated in 8 months but still..
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<`p> anyone ever use datamapper gem on heroku? I can't seem to find what adapter i would use if in development i was using sqlite and dm-sqlite-adapter
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<MrZYX> Hanmac: there are plently of "OS X themes" for all major DEs, they won't notice! :P
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<YaNakilon> eh apple is so much better
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<ericwood> agreed
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<Xeago> #rubyonrails is slow, does actionmailer block?
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<ericwood> it blocks you from #ruby
<fryguy> if I have a module with a class method on it, is there an easy way to mock it's return value for a test?
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<llaskin> http://pastie.org/8086494 why would this print false on line 9?
<llaskin> any other stuff I can print out to try to debug this?
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<MrZYX> llaskin: wild shot: same class?
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<MrZYX> llaskin: actually, week vs Week
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<Eiam> Hanmac: errrr… doesn't apple use llvm ? =0
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<Hanmac> Eiam: maybe but for some things i need gcc (and on mac its very outdated)
<Eiam> Hanmac: oh.. I just symlink the two and call it a day
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<Eiam> Hanmac: looks like mavericks has ruby 2? =)
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<Hanmac> Eiam: maybe they only wants to fool us ... i think the gcc is still outdated
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<Eiam> oh I don't have dev tools installed on it yet..
<Eiam> I'll look after I install them ;p
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<Hanmac> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/06/msg00720.html << " thousands of crashes" in debian ,P
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<epitron> Hanmac: i wonder why we're just hearing about that now... the paper is from 2012
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<Hanmac> epitron: hm no its from 2013
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<jfine> Wondering if this code will lead to race conditions since it uses a global… elsif request.headers["Authorization"] =~ /\AToken ([a-z0-9]+)\z/
<jfine> @_current_token = $1
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<epitron> Hanmac: the PAPER...
<epitron> 2012 IEEE Symposium on Security and Privacy
<epitron> Unleashing M AYHEM on Binary Code
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<Hanmac> jfine: its a semi global, but you can change it to a local variable: if /\AToken (?<token>[a-z0-9]+)\z/ =~ request.headers["Authorization"] ; @_current_token = token; end
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<jfine> Ahhh I wasn't familiar with the <local var> syntax...
<jfine> Cool, local is safer. Thanks.
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<Hanmac> jfine: and before you ask, no you cant do it the ther way around, regex =~ string, works but string =~ regex works not with this local variables ... and the regex must be an literal, so an normal regex object will not work
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<r0bgl33s0n> Hanmac: huh? =~ is just a method
<r0bgl33s0n> why would you need the literal syntax
<r0bgl33s0n> the literal syntax just returns a Regexp object
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<Hanmac> r0bgl33s0n: because the local variables are added from the parser at parsetime, not at run-time
<r0bgl33s0n> sorry, i must be out of context, what code are we looking at?
<r0bgl33s0n> >> "foo" =~ Regexp.new("f")
<eval-in> r0bgl33s0n => 0 (https://eval.in/35248)
<r0bgl33s0n> works just fine
<Hanmac> r0bgl33s0n: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/Regexp.html << "When named capture groups are used with a literal regexp on the left-hand side of an expression and the =~ operator, the captured text is also assigned to local variables with corresponding names."
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<Hanmac> >> /(?<n>\d+)/ =~ "a1b"; n
<eval-in> Hanmac => "1" (https://eval.in/35249)
<Hanmac> >> "a1b" =~ /(?<n>\d+)/; n
<eval-in> Hanmac => undefined local variable or method `n' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/35250)
<r0bgl33s0n> aha, i see
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<Hanmac> its black magic ;P
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<jfine> Hanmac: gotcha.
<jfine> Nothing like black magic :-)
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<jim83838> hello, i'm trying to update gem, but keep getting ERROR: While executing gem ... (NoMethodError) undefined method 'version' for nil:NilClass any ideas?
<brotatos> Which is more idiomatic: `if (!expression)` or `unless expressions`?
<MrZYX> unless IMO
<jim83838> it complains about yaml not being installed also...is that necessary?
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<Hanmac> brotatos: PS: you need to beware that ! is a method (wich can be overwritten), but unless is faster
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<jfine> Hanmac: Thanks for the named capture, works PERFECTLY
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<br0tat0chip> hi everyone. where are ri docs installed to?
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<brotatos> How do I stop this error I'm getting? https://gist.github.com/brotatos/7ef0c03b06c51ec1e2c9#file-array-rb-L20
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<brotatos> Ah, I'll jsut use shift instead of unshift.
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<Dekade> I'm trying to write some output to a file, but It doesn't write all lines (actually only the first). How do I get it to write the rest also?
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<fryguy> Dekade: show us
<pontiki_> hmm
<pontiki_> >> [].shift
<eval-in> pontiki_ => nil (https://eval.in/35251)
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<Dekade> something like this
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<fryguy> Dekade: that's not valid ruby, what is the value of line set to
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<Dekade> irc.read it reads from the tcpsocket
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<popl> Dekade: if you can't show us your entire code, make a testcase.
<pontiki_> Dekade: try output.puts irc.read
<Dekade> I can show you the full script, but I'm only just looking for a method to store multiple lines in a file and then output them
<pontiki_> output = irc.read rassigns your var
<Dekade> hmm true
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<sandstrom> Is there an equivalent of `Rails.root` in Rack?
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<Dekade> I'll mess around some more :)
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<popl> Dekade: showing people that much code and then asking them to help is like giving a kid a jigsaw puzzle with pieces missing and telling them to solve it. :P
<popl> you may as well just keep it to yourself in the first place if you're going to do that.
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<Apathetic> hi, can anyone help me understand how this line works? http://bpaste.net/show/FDiL5BeSCCkESyNBuiPk/
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<havenwood> Apathetic: Might try #learnchef
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<xeviox> I use this "- if not @group.nil? and not @group.user.nil?" in HAML, sadly the second condition is also evaluated which throws an error if @group is nil ..
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<fryguy> xeviox: use &&
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<interactionjaxsn> xeviox: you should be using ! instead of not
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<xeviox> ok, is this haml specific or valid for every ruby code?
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<fryguy> valid
<interactionjaxsn> and not or are ruby keywords. you may also want to look at using unless @group.nil? && @group.user.nil?
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<end_guy> is there a way for a Module to know when it gets included into another module or class?
<epitron> end_guy: yep!
<fryguy> yes, there is an included hook that gets called
<end_guy> looking at the docs now for module
<end_guy> Nice
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<end_guy> Ruby makes me so happy :)
<epitron> i know
<epitron> it's weird to get used to the method being called what it should be called
<epitron> and be in the place it should be
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<xeviox> it still throws "undefined method `user' for nil:NilClass" in "- unless @group.nil? && @group.user.nil?"
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<end_guy> @group.respond_to?(:user)
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<Apathetic> havenwood, I was just referring to the syntax
<Spooner> xeviox, You need || with that, not and (&& makes sense with if)
<xeviox> Spooner: damn, day is too long :(
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<havenwood> Apathetic: It looks to me like a #cookbook method with two arguments, 'dotdeb', and a naked hash { :github => 'Apathetic012/chef-dotdeb' } using 1.9 syntax.
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<Apathetic> havenwood, thanks!
<Apathetic> so the second param was a naked hash
<havenwood> Apathetic: yeah, that is what some people call it - basically a hash without the curly braces
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<havenwood> oft as args
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<havenwood> xeviox: If truthyness is what you actually care about, drop the .nil?: unless @group || @group.user
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<sethetter> Obfuscation/compiling of a piece of ruby source -- possible?
<tymat> compile? no
<tymat> but you can obfuscate it
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<havenwood> sethetter: could compile to C with mruby
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<havenwood> or to bytecode
<waxjar> you can compile ruby with rubinius i believe
<xeviox> hmm it's weird. I'm using DataMapper but something gets wrong with a simple optional assocation. On a list page (Sinatra) the user is retrieved correctly, on the detail page its empty.. And I'm unable to insert the user to the group as it throws a SaveFailureError, but I could not see why (inspecting the error just shows no validation error).
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<havenwood> sethetter: Example compiling a fizzbuzz to self-exectuable: https://github.com/havenwood/mruby-fizzbuzz
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<tymat> mruby is not even close to production ready
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<sethetter> havenwood: Ah, I actually am limited to the normal ruby binary.
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<lindenle> So I built a gem locally how do I install it now?
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<ignac865> Does anyone program with ruby for linux?
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<Xeago> I don't program for linux but for bsd
<norm> okay, math question (but it's in a ruby script). i'm evenly dividing a list of numbers into 6 buckets using modulo. now i need to divide that bucket into six slices. but i can't use modulo, since i would end up with one full slice and five empty slices. trying to come up with a transformation i can apply to the numbers to make them evenly divisible again
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<ignac865> what is bsd?
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<Xeago> bsd stands for berkely software distribution
<Xeago> but bsd is more of a group of systems
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<Xeago> there is more to the world than linux osx and windows
<Xeago> norm: modulus 36 and then 6?
<popl> I think ignac865 is trolling.
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<ignac865> Thxx I will look about it
<popl> or not. :P
<ignac865> No way
<ignac865> I am not trolling
<ignac865> I'm a begginer by the way
<popl> ok ignac865. sorry.
<Xeago> for example FreeBSD or NetBSD
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<Xeago> OS X is also a BSD
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<norm> Xeago: yeah the problem is other buckets will get divided into different numbers of slices
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<Xeago> norm: don't follo
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<popl> norm: so buckets will split into other buckets? o_O
<popl> what's the homework problem?
<norm> not homework, but it does sound like it
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<popl> What problem are you trying to solve?
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<norm> i've got thousands of network devices that i'm monitoring. the load is spread across six servers
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<norm> each server takes 1/6 of the network
<norm> hashed on the device's identifier
<norm> now the server process has to divide it's portion again
<norm> but i can't use modulo, since the that only spreads the load evenly if the original data is randomly distributed
<norm> i'm trying to come up with a mathematical transformation (squaring, etc) that will re-randomize the device identifier so that modulo will function as intended
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<terrellt> norm: If you come up with a hash function that perfectly distributes based on ID, make sure you publish it. ;)
<norm> well modulo is not perfect, but it's pretty fair
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<terrellt> norm: You've got a problem with modulo though - what happens when a slice crashes?
<diddlybop> hi all, anyone have experience setting up ruby on mageia 3? I'm running into problems
<terrellt> norm: Or if you want to add a slice.
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<terrellt> norm: You going to redistribute your stuff?
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<norm> terrellt: yes, it's built to be easy to do just that
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<Xeago> norm: I don\t understand why you don't modulo 36
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<Xeago> and take modulus of of 6 to assign to machine 0-5 on that
<Xeago> and use the value to further bucket once more?
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<norm> Xeago: mmm that would work
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<Xeago> lets say 100: 100 % 36 = 28, 28%6, machine 4, bucket 4
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<Xeago> (103 % 36) % 6 => machine 1, bucket 1
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<Xeago> darnit
<Xeago> sec
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<Xeago> ignore me for a sec
<Xeago> you need to spread to 6, and then how many?
<norm> in this case, 6
<norm> i think you mean hash by 36, then use 0-5 for machine one, etc
<Xeago> what can the operational cost be?
<Xeago> norm: yes, that is what I meant but my math didn't work that way ;3
<norm> hehe yes
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<Xeago> in any case, if you have to, you can always 'encrypt' it
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<kmicinski> How do I install ruby and also specify the location of the SSL directory? I tried --with-ssl-dir, but I still get a prompt from RVM to install required packages. (This question is more of an rvm question, I spose.)
<Xeago> AES256 should output something indistinguishable from random
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<norm> Xeago: haha, yes, i was thinking of just MD5 / SHA / encrypting it
<Xeago> md5/sha is different
<norm> yes i know
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<Xeago> hashes don't guarantee pseudo randomness
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<brotatos> Ruby doesn't support method overloading. :(
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<slash_nick> brotatos: come again?
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<brotatos> slash_nick: does ruby support method overloading?
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<brotatos> method() and method(a) would do two different things.
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<slash_nick> brotatos: sure
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<waxjar> it isn't a feature of the language brotatos
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<brotatos> slash_nick: http://sprunge.us/dMCA :|
<brotatos> waxjar: how would i implement it?
<waxjar> preferably not at all :p
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<slash_nick> brotatos: my_method(mode = nil) for your case
<slash_nick> just a default value
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<brotatos> slash_nick: still not working
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<brotatos> slash_nick: http://sprunge.us/INfi
<waxjar> you'll have to check the arguments manually, if you define a method twice it just overrides it
<slash_nick> brotatos: you're defining the method twice, except failing bcause typos
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<brotatos> slash_nick: i'm having trouble spotting the typo.
<slash_nick> sorry
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<slash_nick> brotatos: myMyethod =? myMethod ... t/f?
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<brotatos> ah
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<brotatos> t
<brotatos> It's still not working.
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<waxjar> [22:10:27] <waxjar> you'll have to check the arguments manually, if you define a method twice it just overrides it
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<slash_nick> brotatos: WHY are you redefining the method... you define it well once, then redefine it poorly.
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<brotatos> thanks, got it.
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<waxjar> did you even read what i wrote brotatos?
<slash_nick> yeah you're not listening...
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<brotatos> waxjar: where would i check the arguments manually?
<waxjar> in the method
<waxjar> if arg == x then do_this else do_that end
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<brotatos> I'm still not getting this. :\ http://sprunge.us/CDfF?ruby
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<interactionjaxsn> brotatos: stop overloading the method...
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<Mon_Ouie> You don't need to define it twice
<interactionjaxsn> brotatos: one method with the signature my_method(mode = nil) case mode when a then do_something when nil do_something_else end end
<xeviox> I don't get this to work properly: http://pastie.org/private/e4wawdlz2ebkyw0pjbacow . It always throws undefined method `user' for nil:NilClass . But it should a) not be empty and b) return a space if it is empty ..
<brotatos> waxjar: thanks...
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<waxjar> xeviox, you probably want to use && there. if @violator is nil it'll try @violater.user which will obviously fail
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<xeviox> waxjar: nope does not change anything, I'll change it to an if ..
<waxjar> also, maybe turn the unless into an if, if you're going to use an else clause, makes it easier
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<xeviox> "- if !@violater || !@violater.user" again throws the error
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<xeviox> ah damn
<xeviox> waxjar: thanks
<xeviox> I had a typo
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<interactionjaxsn> violator
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<xeviox> interactionjaxsn: yes :(
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<interactionjaxsn> xeviox: your choice for an instance variable name is interesting... can i ask what your app is?
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<waxjar> why not http://pastie.org/8087322 ?
<suyase> Is there a resource that has a list of the default gems in a given release of Ruby (like 1.9.2 in my case) I'd like to see what is available in the standard libraries
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<xeviox> interactionjaxsn: I think it's a "wrong" translation. Its to store a couple of companies that violate a patent
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<xeviox> is there any good ruby IDE ?
<interactionjaxsn> xeviox: ok... just curious is all. My mind was racing with potential uses
<interactionjaxsn> xeviox: unix
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<xeviox> interactionjaxsn: no problem ;)
<xeviox> for me it's just a project were I can learn ruby and Sinatra
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<xeviox> I'm on linux, and editor works fine, but at some points a bit more support wouldn't be wrong ^^
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<interactionjaxsn> xeviox: i hear good things about ruby mine.
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<diegoviola> any ideas where to get some remote work with ruby? there's nothing in my area when it comes to ruby unfortunately
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<interactionjaxsn> diegoviola: get remote work? you need to outsource or you are looking for work?
<diegoviola> i'm looking for work
<xeviox> sadly the only jobs I see with ruby is for ruby on rails ..
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<wmoxam> lol
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<wmoxam> 'sadly'
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<xeviox> ?
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<Hanmac> i have many ruby projects but none of them are ones where i get money from them
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<wmoxam> most of the Ruby code I get paid for is not RoR
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<Hanmac> hm if i would get money from my bindings it would be cool ;P
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<wmoxam> (Ruby is a great glue language)
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<Spooner> Hanmac I only do non-RoR work. Admittedly, I think I'd get more work at a higher rate if I did Rails, but life is too short for pain!
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<atmosx> Spooner: you're good with ruby?
<xeviox> Spooner: haha nice
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<Spooner> atmosx, I hope so :)
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<Spooner> I do 50/50 Ruby and Python. Best with Ruby though.
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<Hanmac> i do mostly C++ for Ruby :P
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<atmosx> in 'Gemfile' ~> 1.2.1 ... means specifically version 1.2.1 ?
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<atmosx> Spooner: Then believe me, CSS/JS/HTML aside rails is a joke
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<atmosx> at least compared to what I did with sinatra..
<atmosx> is a joke
<atmosx> does an incredible amount of work by its own
<atmosx> I didn't sit down and write a full blown up but following a 15 minutes howto I was astonished by the amount of work that does for you.
<Hanmac> atmosx: ~> is a bit magic, because it means in this case > 1.2.1 and < 1.(2+1).x
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<atmosx> Hanmac: okay will do.
<atmosx> so no major version releases
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<suyase> I went to http://www.ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.2/ but unfortunately the packages do not have any general descriptions that indicate what they are designed for - is there a resource that has information regarding what the packages were intended for, like documentation?
<Hanmac> atmosx: when you do ~> 1.2 then it means > 1.2 and < (1+1).x (the last versions part is ignored)
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<atmosx> suyase: are you looking for something specific?
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<Spooner> atmosx, I wasn't meaning I do Sinatra instead. I don't do web stuff (except API). Frontenmd is shitty.
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<atmosx> Spooner: I hate CSS3 too, with a passion.
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<atmosx> I don't even consider it programming
<atmosx> but anyway
<Spooner> atmosx, Every web dev considers it programming though ;)
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<suyase> atmosx: I am looking for the stdlib for Ruby 1.9.2 with a relatively general description of what each package is intended for
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<interactionjaxsn> suyase: that sounds awesome. let me know when you finished it
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<suyase> interactionjaxsn: Ruby seriously doesn't have documentation at the package level?
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<atmosx> suyase: documentation for what? Core libraries?
<suyase> atmosx: I will provide an example.
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<interactionjaxsn> i can see this becoming a game show
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<suyase> that
<suyase> but for ruby
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<interactionjaxsn> name that stlib
<Hanmac> 3 days left until ... ;P
<suyase> interactionjaxsn: I don't get the joke
<interactionjaxsn> because i am bad a jokes
<atmosx> suyase: what do you wanna do anyway?
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<atmosx> understand the internals of some methods? take a look at the source code
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<suyase> atmosx: There is no information on what each package does, just the list of packages on the left, which takes you to a list of their methods and classes
<suyase> atmosx: No.
<atmosx> i.e. the doc for Marshall is pretty much there I get http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/doc/marshal_rdoc.html
<suyase> atmosx: I do not want to understand the internals of some methods. I want to know what a given package's intended use case is
<atmosx> suyase: define package
<atmosx> when you say package in ruby terms I understand 'gems'
<suyase> atmosx: a package, a library, a module, a gem
<atmosx> suyase: which one?
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<suyase> atmosx: Those are all the same thing.
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<suyase> atmosx: This terminology is standard
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<atmosx> suyase: so that's not enough for understanding what benchmark does http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.0/libdoc/benchmark/rdoc/Benchmark.html#method-c-benchmark
<suyase> interactionjaxsn: Yes, exactly that.
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<atmosx> suyase: if you can get that by youself you better off do something else, not programming, don't you think?
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<bricker> Is there a way to get Dir.entries without "." and ".." ?
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<suyase> atmosx: If you think that you should dig into the methods of every single gem until you find the gem that serves your purpose, you're doing it wrong.
<atmosx> suyase: I'm an amateur and I know most of the methods in that page by heart.
<atmosx> suyase: at least that ones I use.
<suyase> atmosx: That's great and also irrelevant.
<atmosx> suyase: whatever, you're probably in here for trolling so...
* slash_nick hands out troll-snacks
<Hanmac> suyase: rubygems.org has a search function
<interactionjaxsn> slash_nick: i need some juicy juice
* slash_nick gives interactionjaxsn juicy fruit
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* Hanmac puzzles what an "unjuicy" juice is ;P
<interactionjaxsn> slash_nick: not gum... i need some thing to drink with these troll snacks. they are dry
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<suyase> atmosx: I came in with an extremely specific question, got an answer from interactionjaxsn, (Thank you, by the way) acknowledged that it was correct, and I'll be leaving shortly. I wasn't in here to troll; you flamed me by telling me that "you better off do something else, not programming, don't you think?" because I thought an index of the modules in the standard library with a brief use case description (which is an extremely
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<slash_nick> interactionjaxsn: those snacks were for the trolls. :/
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<suyase> Hanmac: It wasn't that I needed to search for a specific gem - in an enterprise development context you often need to assess what language and what version of that language to develop in based upon an index of the packages that are in the standard library. A search for a single module is not useful here unfortunately.
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<wmoxam> lol oss entitlement
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<atmosx> suyase: whatever.
* interactionjaxsn dies from eating poisonous troll snacks
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<wmoxam> suyase: go use java or something. We're not here to sell you on the enterprise benefits of Ruby
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<suyase> wmoxam: Why are you taking a half-baked understanding of the conversation's context and flaming me with it?
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<Hanmac> suyase: with black magic i can do anything for wich C(++) liberies exist in Ruby too with nearly the same speed
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<wmoxam> suyase: whatever bud
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<interactionjaxsn> yowza... so... rainbows and unicorns people...
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<eddiemonge> what does `if User.exists? name: name` mean? like the format. i don't understand the `name: name` part
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<terrellt> eddiemonge: Ruby 1.9 hash syntax, same is if User.exists?(:name => name)
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<eddiemonge> is it creating that assignment or checking it?
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<terrellt> eddiemonge: Assuming that's rails it checks to see if there's a User which exists that has the name stored in the "name" variable.
<eddiemonge> ok that makes sense.
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<eddiemonge> how would i add an additional argument to that?
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<eddiemonge> do i have to wrap it in the parens? i tried `if !ExternalUser.exists name: name && User.exists? name: name` and it throws an error
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<eddiemonge> whereas, if !ExternalUser.exists?(:name => name) && User.exists?(:name => name) doesnt. i just dont want to mix and match styles
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<terrellt> eddiemonge: Your problem is lack of parenthesis in the first one is all.
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<eddiemonge> terrellt: thats what i was thinking. thanks so much.
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<superscott[8]> for a hash, is there a way to get a true back when it's not empty? i'd rather do something like Hash.not_empty? => true instead of !Hash.empty?
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<superscott[8]> i'm looking for something similar to .present? for an array
<fryguy> superscott[8]: you could just reopen the Hash class and define that method
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<superscott[8]> yeah, i'm just making sure i'm not missing something while i'm looking at the API
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<superscott[8]> just find it odd, that you have .present? for an array, but nothing similar for a hash
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<workmad3> superscott[8]: except that core ruby doesn't have a present? for an array...
<workmad3> superscott[8]: active support adds that in if you're in rails...
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<superscott[8]> ah, fair enough :D
<rookie2030> hi all
<rookie2030> i have this problem anyone can help
<rookie2030> factory_girl requires Ruby version >= 1.9.2.
<workmad3> superscott[8]: active support also adds present? onto hash ;)
<rookie2030> Gem::InstallError: factory_girl requires Ruby version >= 1.9.2.
<rookie2030> An error occurred while installing factory_girl (4.2.0), and Bundler cannot
<rookie2030> Make sure that `gem install factory_girl -v '4.2.0'` succeeds before bundling.
<rookie2030> continue.
<workmad3> rookie2030: I'd suggest you install a more modern version of ruby...
<superscott[8]> workmad3: orly? maybe i'm smoking crack.
<rookie2030> wordmad3: i have this one ruby 1.9.2dev (2010-07-02) [i486-linux]
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<workmad3> rookie2030: that's an old, old version
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<superscott[8]> workmad3: holy crap you're right. i just realized i tested that in straight irb and not rails console :D
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<rookie2030> workmad3: how i can perform an update via apt-get
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<workmad3> superscott[8]: :D
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<fryguy> rookie2030: consider using rbenv to manage your ruby versions
<fryguy> (or rvm, or chruby).
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<havenwood> +1 chruby
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<Mars`> +1 rvm :P
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<havenwood> RVM is nice too, indeed!
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<havenwood> Topic could use a bump to 2.0.0-p247 :)
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