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<kenneth> hey
<kenneth> do you guys know if there's a gem (or an easy way) i can use to only apply a middleware to certain path patterns
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<kenneth> rack middleware that is
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<enthrops> I'm looking to gain some experience. Does anybody have any open source projects that I could make simple contributions to?
<popl> enthrops: look around github for open issues, fix them, submit a patch
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<enthrops> popl: yeah I looked around for a bit but I can't know how difficult those fixes or features are going to be to implement
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<Spooner> Well, choose something simple, ratehr than going for the biggies (Rails, etc.). Ideally a minor gem you have use of (that helps your enthusiasm to actually work through it).
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<enthrops> Spooner: I guess
<enthrops> thanks
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<Spooner> Or make some trivial gems yourself (no reason you can't think of something useful that is 100 lines long).
<enthrops> Spooner: no idea what I would do
<popl> enthrops: I would suggest document fixes then, to start off.
<popl> enthrops: you know, typo correction and that sort of thing
<popl> *documentation
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<popl> if you find a project you really want to help out with contact the author
<enthrops> popl: would rather prefer actual code
<popl> if they have an IRC channel, join that and say you'd like to help and ask how
<popl> enthrops: it's a social thing first man
<popl> enthrops: you need to network :)
<enthrops> popl: right
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<popl> I was so scared shitless at university. I was elected to be project lead for my software engineering team and our project was to contribute a significant feature or codefix to an established FOSS project.
<popl> well "elected"
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<popl> sort of like nobody-else-wants-to-do-this-but-you-are-the-guy-who-knows-linux-and-IRC-stuff-so-you-do-it
<popl> enthrops: anyways, my point is you need to express interest in helping with the project, and the way to do that is to get your foot in the door no matter how you can
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<popl> so if that means doing documentation fixes or whatever, go for it
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<popl> eventually you will build trust and then things will follow naturally
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<enthrops> popl: got you, thanks :)
<popl> no problem, good luck
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<ner0x> Anyone use capistrano to install rvm and the require libs?
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<s7ry93r> what exactly does heroku do for you that a hosting site cannot ?
<sam113101> easy deployment?
<s7ry93r> just for rails?
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<waxjar> a whole load of other stacks too
<sam113101> you can't just drop files with ftp like you do with php
<sam113101> I prefer to use a VPS personally
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<s7ry93r> do they do anything with security for you cert signing etc. ?
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<s7ry93r> What about acting as a Registrar as well ?
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<sam113101> do they sell domain names?
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<sam113101> I don't think they do
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<jonahR> hi, this may be stupid but if I refactor code in an existing repo for a gem, do I have to change the version every time? or do I just tag it in another version ? im confused
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<s7ry93r> There website is a little hard to follow on their offering cuz they spend so much time talking about their technology.
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<bnagy> jonahR: up to you, really, provided you don't break the build ( changing manifest etc )
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<sam113101> they say they make it simple with dynos but it doesn't sound like it
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<s7ry93r> @JonahR … did you get that code from GitHub?
<bnagy> for tiny changes you might not bother, imho you should probably update VERSION and CHANGES for almost everything though
<jonahR> yeah i own the repo (and the gem code)
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<waxjar> if you're just fixing bugs you generally leave the version number in tact and let the owner handle version numbers
<bnagy> depends if you think existing users should get your new code
<s7ry93r> @sam … That is problem … I don't quite get their wording for things.
<waxjar> if you're contributing, that is
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<waxjar> jonahR: you might like this page: http://semver.org/
<jonahR> yeah i read it but was kinda confused with the part about bumping the version on each push
<jonahR> Thanks!
<bnagy> you could try a dev branch?
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<s7ry93r> @JonahR … The Ruby Rogues did a complete episode on gem construction, bundling, versioning, etc…. almost all of them have built and maintained successful gems … i suggest, if you have 45 mins to give it a listen
<waxjar> ah. well if there's a critical bug i'd definitely push a new version, but if it's something minor you could do a couple bugfixes first and then push a new version
<jonahR> damn i must have missed that episode, ill check it out now then! Thank you
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<s7ry93r> Your welcome
<s7ry93r> ;)
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<s7ry93r> For those of you that heard this before, I apologize … but I want to get some answers … What exactly does Heroku do for you that a hosting site cannot ?
<Quadlex> Nothing.
<s7ry93r> nice
<Quadlex> It's how easy they make it that's the value
<s7ry93r> do they patch ruby for me?
<Quadlex> With a hosting site you might have to figure out deployment or load balancing yourself
<Quadlex> Uh, I think they might?
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<s7ry93r> with this whole yaml breach thing?
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<waxjar> heroku basically just asks you for some environment variables and that you maintain a git repository of your app. you deploy with a simple git push
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<waxjar> they make it really easy to scale, install extra services and whatnot
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<milardovich> Hi guys! is there a "Ruby"-way to find the maximum two values of an array?
<waxjar> [1,2,3].max
<milardovich> waxjar, aha... and what about if I have binary numbers, not decimals?
<s7ry93r> @waxjar … Thank you !!! Wish they would put it in plain text on their website … instead of talking in length about dynos.
<milardovich> waxjar, and I need the two bigger values
<s7ry93r> do max … strip … do max again
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<s7ry93r> take bow
<waxjar> milardovich, first sort the array then take the last two elements?
<milardovich> waxjar, that's why I asked if there is no "ruby"-way to do that
<milardovich> Or I need to do that manually
<milardovich> :)
<waxjar> [4,3,2,1].sort.last 2 seems pretty ruby-ish to me
<milardovich> waxjar, BTW, how can I sort a binary array? is it the same?
<waxjar> i don't really know what a binary array is
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<bnagy> numbers are numbers, strings are strings
<popl> sorting is sorting!
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<bnagy> >> [1,0b10,3]
<eval-in> bnagy => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/34807)
<sam113101> omg
<sam113101> I didn't know you could do that
<bnagy> >> [1,2,"11".to_i(2)]
<eval-in> bnagy => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/34808)
<milardovich> sorry, I meant an array of binary numbers
<bnagy> there is no such thing as a binary nuber
<milardovich> bnagy, right, I just figured that out
<bnagy> you mean binary representation
<milardovich> It's just an string of 0s and 1s
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<milardovich> bnagy, I guess so
<bnagy> right - then to_i(2) or possibly unpack is what you're after
<bnagy> if you sort them as strings you'll get string sorting
<milardovich> bnagy, and that would convert the strings to binary numbers?
<milardovich> Can I use it with a hole array?
<bnagy> 09:28 < bnagy> there is no such thing as a binary nuber
<keanehsiao> Hi. everybody.. I have a memory leak with my long running job. and I use gdb and lookup objects, figure out objets count are : String=>45043, Array=>10506, RubyVM::InstructionSequence=>8498
<milardovich> Or do I need to do it "element by element"
<s7ry93r> this eval.in site is awesome
<milardovich> bnagy, oh, sorry
<keanehsiao> how should I clean those objects ? neither ObjectSpace.garbage_collect or GC.start works....
<bnagy> milardovich: some_ary.map {|bin_str| bin_str.to_i(2)}.sort.last 2
<s7ry93r> … it's like rib for the web
<s7ry93r> *irb
<milardovich> bnagy, thanks! :)
<bnagy> keanehsiao: those are low numbers
<bnagy> your princess is likely in another castle
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<keanehsiao> bnagy: really??? I think that's a high number... if that's low... how should I track down with gdb?
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<bnagy> well they cover all the string literals and arrays in all of ruby and the stdlib
<bnagy> before you even get to your code
<bnagy> but it's not normally string or array count that kills you anyway
<bnagy> it's big ones
<bnagy> profiling MRI is Just Hard
<bnagy> my best results have been with running stuff on JRuby and using the java profiling tools - jvisualvm is free
<bnagy> but it's not always an option
<bnagy> the other thing that happens a LOT, like really a lot
<bnagy> is that you think you have a leak but you don't
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<bnagy> it's just GC and OS memory management knowing better than you
<milardovich> bnagy, sorry for my ignorance :-/ but the script you wrote gives me the values of the array. How could I get the index?
<bnagy> so unless it OOMs, then it could just be normal
<bnagy> milardovich: the original index of the biggest values?
<keanehsiao> bnagy: but app's memory still growing and finally quit...
<milardovich> bnagy, right
<milardovich> oh, sorry
<milardovich> I figured out that I could use the values as well
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<milardovich> bnagy, forget it, thanks ^^
<bnagy> milardovich: kinda tricky tbh
<bnagy> I would probably walk with each_with_index and use a best and second_best var
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<bnagy> but it's ew
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<bnagy> keanehsiao: is jruby an option?
<milardovich> bnagy, I see, but I just can replace the values your script returns to the new array
<bnagy> even just to test?
<keanehsiao> I am not so sure.. but gems I use may not really works on jruby??? eventmachine, sequel, and something are c base...
<bnagy> yeah might not work - might though!
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<bnagy> otherwise you can grub about in ObjectSpace, but that's crappy as well
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<bnagy> basically what you're looking for are either object counts that grow consistently, or allocated strings or arrays that keep getting bigger
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<bnagy> with EM you can add a periodic_timer or whatever it's called to do some objectspace analysis
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<bnagy> MRI needs a real profiler :/
<diegoviola> use rbx?
<bnagy> oh! valgrind works sometimes as well
<keanehsiao> ya.. a profiler.. that's so true...
<bnagy> if you're on *nix
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<bnagy> I've found stuff that way
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<keanehsiao> let me check that out... :D
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<Kelet> Hello, I'm kind of searching for an 'idiomatic' way to do something. Basically, I have an initializer for a class and it needs to take say 15-20 arguments. This is obviously ugly. So I did some googling and found a way to use a hash as one argument and do instance_variable_set to make the instance variables. Then using the eigenclass we can use attr_accessor.
<Kelet> The downside of this is that I have no 'easy' way of ensuring that each argument was provided for and no extreneous arguments are provided
<Kelet> Here is my code: http://pastebin.com/wsfxMwEC
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<Kelet> Mostly used just for academic purposes, but could anyone recommend an alternative way or an addition to ensure that is more safe?
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<popl> Kelet: have you considered passing a hash?
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<sam113101> I don't understand the eigenclass part
<Kelet> popl, I believe that is about the same thing I'm doing, only I'm taking the hash and making instance variables that have the value of the hash values. If I had a hash and I wanted to ensure the arguments I would have to do roughly the same thing -- which is go through and make sure that the key 'proper_name' exists in the hash and so on.
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<Kelet> I guess that may be the only way, guess I'm just looking for ruby magic as I think this could be a common occurance
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<Kelet> also small errata: I didn't mean to have 'puts' in the to_s, before anyone may point it out
<popl> perhaps a common anti-pattern
<superscott[8]> Kelet: you could create a constant with all the attributes you expect, then make sure your key is apart of that constant
<sam113101> couldn't you just use attr_accessoir without that eigenclass thing?
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<Kelet> sam113101, No I read about eigenclasses but I'm not completely solid on it. I could not find a way to do it minus the eigenclass.
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<bnagy> Kelet: google dwemthy's array
<bnagy> but the way you're storing your characters the meta stuff is unneccessary
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<sam113101> seems unnecessary to me, but I'm too lazy to try it
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<bnagy> Kelet: the other pattern you might like is to proxy to an internal OStruct with method_missing
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<Kelet> Thanks guys, I honestly think I'll just play around with this hash for now, but the traits stuff from _why and ostruct stuff looks of interest.
<bnagy> unless you want a proper DSL ( dwemthy style ) then try to eliminate all the metaprogramming you're doing
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<bnagy> you don't need it and it's going to be annoying / confusing later
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<Kelet> bnagy, ostruct looks decent, but unless I'm misinterpreting, all attributes are like 'attr_accessor', but I only want mine to be read, not written
<Kelet> although I could be misinterpreting
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<keanehsiao> bnagy: valgrind looks cool, tracking down the mem... thanks a lot.. :D
<bnagy> Kelet: uh then why are you using accessor in your code? :/
<Kelet> bnagy, oops!
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<bnagy> Kelet: anyway you could filter = methods in method_missing, or whatever
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<bnagy> so many ways.
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<Kelet> Hmm well I'll try to make two implementations then, one using metaprogramming and one using ostruct, and I'm going to make sure both ensure the source hash has all of the attributes (and not more), and compare their readability (to me) and see what's good. I appreciate the knowledge!
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<bnagy> Kelet: to get defaults you can use a hash as args and then merge with a default hash
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<bnagy> @opts = DEFAULTS.merge user_opts
<waxjar> do you really need 10-15 things to initialize an object? sounds like you need to rethink your architecture
<Kelet> waxjar, They are attributes of a character in a video game and the characters have 10-15 attributes
<Kelet> And that could be a possibility
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<Kelet> I just can't think of one that lends itself better to readability/usability than having the attributes be part of the initializer
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<bnagy> Kelet: also what sometimes helps is to imagine you have the perfect API and write some client code against it
<bnagy> and then go back and make it work
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<bnagy> thematically similar to TDD or BDD or whatever the cool kids call it
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<bnagy> dsbd = DeathSkullBatwingDude.new armor: 30 # armor is usually 22
<sevenseacat> bnagy: oh i like that approach. (write against the API you wish you had)
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<Kelet> That is an excellent approach, and so simple. Thanks for the tips.
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<Kelet> Also does anyone have experience setting up sqlite3 on Windows for Ruby 2.0.0 installed By RubyInstaller? Did you have to build it using the Ruby Dev Environment?
<popl> that's how I learned to do it in uni
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<Kelet> haha
<popl> Kelet: you can try #win32
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<Kelet> I asked here yesterday but admittedly I was in a shitty mood and responded a bit hostiley for which I apologize, but there seems to be a lot of conflicting info on the internet, and I'm kind of confused as to why 'gem install sqlite3' actually installs something.
<Kelet> What is it installing, if it doesn't work? sqlite3.exe and sqlite3.dll are in my PATH.
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<sevenseacat> you dont want it to install the sqlite3 gem?
<Kelet> It says cannot find sqlite3_native when I require 'sqlite3'
<popl> Kelet: the thing about the WWW is that anybody with any amount of experience can post some tutorial or something
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<Kelet> If no one can help, I will just try compiling the gem myself which seems to have worked for some, just wondering if anyone can confirm/deny if that worked for them
<fryguy> Kelet: the sqlite you are referring to is server code, you still need client code to interface with sqlite
<fryguy> Kelet: also, strongly consider using *nix for development instead of windows
<fryguy> it'll make your life a lot easier
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<Kelet> fryguy, I do for much of my development, but at other times I am stuck on Windows machines
<fryguy> Kelet: jc. why
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<Kelet> fryguy, I work with computer vision and all of our projects are regretably programmed using Visual Studio and they leverage features provided by Microsoft, I understand I can set up a VM and such, but it would be nice to be able to not have to.
<Kelet> Although I'm tempted to.
<fryguy> vms are pretty easy
<Kelet> My machine isn't very powerful but I guess I don't even need X
<Kelet> So it would probably run fine
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<Kelet> Ultimately I just wanted to use Sequel to set up a database for a small Sinatra project I'm working on to access.
<bnagy> I'm more worried about you running such a shit db than dev'ing on Windows
<Kelet> bnagy, What do you suggest
<popl> postgresql
<popl> \o/
<bnagy> yeah postgres or mysql
<bnagy> I prefer postgres
<bnagy> dunno about windows support though
<fryguy> depends on wha tyou are doing with the database for sure
<sevenseacat> i wouldnt use sqlite for anything, ever.
<Kelet> I thought sqlite3 was similar to mysql but with many features taken out, I read through the feature difference and didn't find anything that I would deem useful for my project
<Kelet> But there might be many more differences
<bnagy> yeah like shit performance
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<bnagy> and just.. being shit
<Kelet> lol
<popl> bnagy: how descriptive
<fryguy> bnagy: if it's such shit performance then why do firefox and chrome use it. same with iphone and android and apple mail and dropbox, and plenty of others
<Kelet> This is perhaps the only community I've seen such hostility toward sqlite3 in
<Kelet> I mostly used it because as fryguy says, I've seen it used in a lot of software that I use personally.
<bnagy> also, for small projects imho you should look at some nosql options, they're a lot easier and quicker to protoype with
<Kelet> Well
<Kelet> The project is small but the database may grow to be large
<bnagy> fryguy: because it's small and they have miniscule dbs
<Kelet> I'm newb at database, it's something I've been learning.
<bnagy> if you're not actually going to be doing any relational queries then all the sql dbs are a lot of pissing about for no reward
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<fryguy> bnagy: there are use cases where using sqlite is correct. saying it's unanimously shit is just wrong
<sevenseacat> not 'correct', just 'no other option'
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<bnagy> fryguy: ok, it's good when you don't care that it's shit
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<fryguy> bnagy: clearly you can't be reasoned with. enjoy your dogmatic avoidance of technologies
<Kelet> My database will likely grow to >100gb, millions of entries with 8-12 columns-ish. It will be relational. Although I do realize I'll need to gain a lot of knowledge to set it up and use it properly. I've done databases a few times before using ORMs for Java.
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<Kelet> But nothing nearly this large
<fryguy> lol @ calling 100gb large
* sevenseacat imagines a db that size on sqlite.... actually no, i cant, it wouldn't happen.
<Kelet> well
<Kelet> You're right
<Kelet> it's extremely small compared to some
<Kelet> but for me, it's really large :)
<Kelet> So large relative to my current database experience
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<Kelet> I guess I'll try out postgresql. As I understand, Sequel is relatively agnostic in it's usage.
<Kelet> So the code mostly remains the same regardless of the db you use.
<popl> SQL
<popl> Sequel is a thing that existed before SQL
<popl> So use SQL
<fryguy> popl: are you sure you now what sequel is
<fryguy> konw*
<fryguy> know*
<Kelet> Yeah, sorry, I'm reference http://sequel.rubyforge.org/ not SEQUEL
<keanehsiao> try use riak.. if don't like nosql.. than just pick postgres.. :)
<Kelet> could nosql handle the amount of data I intend to have?
<popl> fryguy: now I do
<Kelet> or is it not viable
<popl> nosql is for massive pantloads of shit
<sevenseacat> given i believe foursquare runs off mongodb
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<fryguy> Kelet: it can
<popl> and it's not really a DB it's a key store
<fryguy> popl: some are just key stores
<fryguy> others are quite a bit more sophisticated
<Kelet> Key store, meaning you access a key and gives you a value?
<Kelet> I was looking at something called leveldb which was like that
<keanehsiao> Kelet: I think yes, depends on purpose.. eg.. read heavy, write heavy, analyze heavy
<popl> fryguy: like trailer trash that wear monocles and such?
<Kelet> but it seemed too simplistic
<popl> ;P
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<Kelet> For example, I want to find entries with some specific column value >= 200
<Kelet> Maybe I minsinterpret
<Kelet> But you couldn't easily do that?
<fryguy> Kelet: just like in SQL, you'd create an index
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<fryguy> and here goes the conversation where we gradually rebuild all of ACID and realize we should just use relational databases in the first place. this should be fun, but i don't really have time.
<Kelet> haha
<sevenseacat> fryguy: amen.
<Kelet> I think I just need to read up more on databases. I think Zed has a book on SQL in alpha.
<keanehsiao> Kelet: many nosql can do that in simple way, mongodb provide a sql like interface, riak provide seconday index, neo4j can query with cyper, sparql.. and rest has their own methods, or at least you can run a map/reduce
<sevenseacat> Kelet: read the pragprog seven databases book.
<fryguy> ^^ yes, read the seven databases book
<Kelet> Interesting, thanks, I'll pick a copy up
<sevenseacat> I like pimping that book.
<popl> as long as you aren't using berkeley db then you're good
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<popl> well
<popl> fsvo good
<fryguy> popl: lots of things use berkeley db
<keanehsiao> popl: berkely db isn't bad... :p
<fryguy> people really need to just stop dogmatically pitching technologies and take the time to actually understand what is going on with them
<sevenseacat> and understand that for 99% of use cases, a simple relational DB is perfect.
<popl> fryguy: I just like how your cape flaps in the wind, you know?
<Kelet> Mostly I just want simple, and easy to use. But i guess this is a relatively large and complex db for me, and I shouldn't be trying to use abstractions if I don't know what it's doing, or why I'm using this particular db.
<keanehsiao> fryguy: totall agree with that..
<Kelet> It's a good skill to know in general anyway
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<popl> fryguy: don't be mad. I was only funnin'. :P
<Kelet> I'm actually really surprised by the amount of metaprogramming Ruby provides. I've been using it a long time for small scripts; for example, renaming media files based on an online db, but never for a large project.
<Kelet> I just read over _why's poignant guide and zed shaw's learn ruby
<Kelet> interesting stuff
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<fryguy> the metaprogramming ruby book is pretty great too
<Kelet> Ah, didn't even know there was one.
<fryguy> was the first book i read when I started ruby
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<bnagy> I disapprove of a lot of the ruby in ruby the hard way
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<popl> bnagy: do you disapprove… hard?
<Kelet> bnagy, If you have any time to explain I'd be glad to hear what you have to say on it
<bnagy> but it covers a lot of stuff, I guess
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<Kelet> I see a lot of differences in minor stuff, for example the way zed uses parenthesis vs the way _why does, etc. but nothing too major in design.
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<bnagy> Kelet: ah, just various snippets I have seen when people here ref it are not idiomatic
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<Kelet> True enough, some of the idiomatic code took me a while to understand, especially the inject, map, select stuff. I wasn't too educated on the functional side of things, and had only really known these types of things by using function pointers in C which were much more messy.
<Kelet> But now they're clear as day
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<Kelet> (And knowing about mixins and how enumerable works)
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<Kelet> At first I kept thinking, wait.. array has max? How? It's not in the class listing.
<Kelet> Then I found it uses enumerable
<Kelet> and what mixins are and how they work
<bnagy> yeah Enumerable is the must-read rdoc
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<Kelet> And one more thing, what do you guys recommend for code documentation? I've heard that rdoc isn't the best.
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<Kelet> I come from mostly using JavaDoc with Doxygen here and there, and Rdoc seems like the 'default' thing to use, but I've heard of many other recommendations.
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<bigriff> hello
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<bigriff> Might this be a place to ask a simple ruby question - simpel for someone who knows any way...
<bigriff> ?
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<popl> bigriff: just ask
<sevenseacat> ask away
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<bigriff> I want to add objects of my class to an array as they are created. How do I list them?
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<bigriff> x = myclass.new, y = myclass.new -> how do i access/ list those later
<irmbrady> You want to add them to an array, or just use the instance?
<bigriff> add them to an array
<irmbrady> array.push(x) to add to an array
<bigriff> true
<bigriff> but just add all instances to an array without knowing its x or y or ?
<bigriff> i want to find out what they are and do that
<bigriff> can i list all instances of myclass
<w1zeman1p> you will probably want to use a class variable
<w1zeman1p> that stores each instance in an array
<bnagy> ... no
<w1zeman1p> ?
<bnagy> do not use class variables, ever
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<w1zeman1p> oh you're talking about entire instances of the new class
<bnagy> bigriff: you _could_ list all instances, but you shouldn't
<w1zeman1p> i thought we were counting up specific instances based on some attribute
<bigriff> yes - all instances created..
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<bnagy> just stash em somewhere
<popl> bigriff: what problem are you trying to solve?
<w1zeman1p> why not use a class instance variable on a super class
<bnagy> because that's awful
<w1zeman1p> why
<bnagy> well class vars are always awful
<w1zeman1p> not class var
<w1zeman1p> class instance var
<bnagy> oh yeah, that's only half awful
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<bnagy> basically if you need a bag to store stuff in the language gives you Array
<w1zeman1p> okay
<bnagy> contorting some superclass into being an array is awful
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<w1zeman1p> well the super class would just contain an instance variable that is an array that contained the instances that were created
<w1zeman1p> but ne ways what was the problem we're solving?
<bnagy> nfi
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<bigriff> i want to add x = myclass.new and y = myclass.new to an array to end up with [x,y] as they are created regardless of what the are named... or how many
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<bnagy> bigriff: that describes what you're trying to do, not what problem you're trying to solve
<popl> bigriff: we're not asking how you are trying to solve the problem you think you have. we are asking what problem you are trying to solve.
<bnagy> lol
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<iMad|Busy|Ruby> hi all. i'm trying to connect to a xmlrpc-server by using `require 'xmlrpc/client'`. But I got an error like this: "SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed". I have added ` OpenSSL::SSL::VERIFY_PEER = OpenSSL::SSL::VERIFY_NONE`, but it doesn't work.
<bigriff> problem = i need an array of myclass - Can I push each item into an array in my initialize function? mylist.push($) - what is the syntax to determine $?
<w1zeman1p> what about this? https://gist.github.com/w1zeman1p/5855773
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<bnagy> *facepalm*
<w1zeman1p> why is that bad?
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<sevenseacat> ew
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<w1zeman1p> bnagy: how would you do it?
<bnagy> I wouldn't
<w1zeman1p> super helpful
<bnagy> well it's a wrong approach
<w1zeman1p> so what is the correct approach?
<bnagy> no idea, the actual problem was never explained
<sevenseacat> that would require knowing the problem he wanted to solve
<sevenseacat> he never said
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<bnagy> there is no reason ytou would ever want to track every instance of a given class
<bnagy> and if I really really had to I would just use ObjectSpace
<bnagy> and write 0 lines of extra code
<w1zeman1p> whats ObjectSpace?
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<w1zeman1p> i'll google
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<bnagy> the global space of non GCed objects
<bnagy> all instances, basically
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<w1zeman1p> i see
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<w1zeman1p> bigriff: i guess we really need a better understanding than you need an array of my class
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<sevenseacat> too late, dood.
<w1zeman1p> you could just do a = [Myclass.new, Myclass.new]
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<w1zeman1p> ah
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<buzzybron> what does the @ symbol do in ruby?
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<w1zeman1p> usually 1 @ leading a variable name in a class is an instance variable
<w1zeman1p> 2 @ is a class variable
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<mordof> question about haml with ruby - this may be off topic, but i'm not sure if there's a specific channel for haml. every time someone requests the page - is the haml converted over to the output? or is it actually "compiled" to an equivalent file that doesn't have to be parsed out every request?
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<enthrops> Is there a way to do literate string which keep all the whitespace?
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<enthrops> Nevermind
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<bnagy> what's a literate string?
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<epitron> mordof: probably depends on whether you're in production or development mode
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<mordof> epitron: hmm.. trying to use haml with PHP, but I don't like the idea of having every page needing to load the haml library on each request. wanted it to spit out a PHP file properly.. not sure if i'll find any project quite like that without making it myself :/
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<mordof> epitron: i found something close.. but.. the PHP it spits out is awful.
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<epitron> o_O
<epitron> that sounds like an unholy union
<mordof> lol
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<epitron> you should go back and re-evaluate your approach
<epitron> you could ditch PHP, or use a PHP-based haml-like templating system
<mordof> epitron: i want to move my way over to Haml in ruby / rails at some point. wanted to get used to Haml for outputting HTML.. however a good portion of the sites I make are with PHP right now (Wordpress reliant somewhat)
<epitron> (i assume that exists)
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<mordof> epitron: it does, that's what i'm referring to. the PHP-based haml-like system
<epitron> oh
<epitron> then you're in the wrong place :)
<mordof> i know - i was simply curious about how haml with actual ruby functioned
<mordof> that's all i originally intended to ask here
<mordof> i got carried away off topic :p
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<mordof> wanted to compare it to what i have set up, and see if i'm expecting something different from the original approach of haml
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<mordof> epitron: oh well. the best that i found spits out awful PHP - I'll wait until I actually start developing for Ruby to jump into Haml I suppose. Or I'll get impatient and write my own parser. time will tell
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<swarmhost> Can someome help me out building a basic set of models (with datamapper) with a few relationships? I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it - first ORM I have ever used. http://collabedit.com/pf4vy if you can, thanks
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<emka> Hi, can someone help with a simple problem. I've get brain freeze...
<emka> for each accessory I got a hash with a key and a value
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<emka> I want to get the key and the value
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<emka> solved **
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<Zeeo> Hi All!
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<jouty> hi can someone tell me the meaning of the 3% and the 2 % in pattern = "%%%ds: %%s" % sender_width
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<Hanmac> >> "%%%ds: %%s" % 123
<eval-in> Hanmac => "%123s: %s" (https://eval.in/34834)
<Hanmac> jouty: %% means escaped %
<jouty> same for \\ ?
<Hanmac> yeah
<jouty> but why one time 3 and another time only 2?
<apeiros> because 1 is not escaped
<Hanmac> read "%%%d" as "%%" + "%d" ... "%%" is turned into "%" and "%d" is turned into number
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<jouty> ok thc Hanmac for the help
<jouty> :)
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<enthrops> How can I make it so a gem executable can require files, but those files are not exposed to gem users, i.e. they can't require them?
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<apeiros> you can't
<apeiros> you can only make it harder
<enthrops> apeiros: well, that sucks
<apeiros> and for some reasons your question reeks…
<enthrops> apeiros: thanks
<apeiros> why'd you do that?
<enthrops> apeiros: because the gem is an executable and none of its libs are supposed to be required?
<enthrops> am I doing something wrong here?
<enthrops> first time doing a gem, sorry
<apeiros> "are not supposed to be required" - fine, but why enforce it?
<apeiros> why do you think you need to hold your users hands?
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<enthrops> apeiros: I don't, it's just that those files are really useless outside of the context of the executable :)
<Xeago> Kernel#exit, override it before you require it :O?
<apeiros> mark your classes as private/internal in the docs. anything beyond makes little sense IMO.
<Xeago> don't do it..
<enthrops> apeiros: ok, thanks
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<enthrops> apeiros: I suppose I really need to wrap everything in a module, correct?
<apeiros> namespacing is strongly suggested, yes
<enthrops> apeiros: what if somebody else's gem has libs with same exact name though? What happens when a user requires?
<apeiros> kaboom baby
<apeiros> that's what
<apeiros> which is why you should namespace
<enthrops> well, I mean I can't namespace the file name
<apeiros> of course you can
<apeiros> FooBar::Baz --> foobar/baz.rb
<apeiros> if your FooBar namespace is sane, so will be your filename
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<Xeago> don't become like java tho
<apeiros> the only exception is your executable. but that problem is unrelated to ruby. if you have multiple executables with the same name, then you're fucked. whether the executable is ruby, C or java doesn't matter much then.
<Xeago> org/entrophs/ruby/gem/foobar/module/file.rb
<Xeago> :3
<apeiros> Xeago: I actually think reverse DNS is an excellent idea of java. their implementation is tedious, though.
<enthrops> apeiros: got it, thanks
<Xeago> apeiros: agreed!
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<apeiros> I mean, org.entrophs.ruby/lib/…as_usual…
<apeiros> and in the code: package 'org.entrophs.ruby'; # now you can require as usual
<apeiros> something like that wouldn't hurt much IMO
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<apeiros> especially if you can do it gemfile-like, declare the used packages in a single place
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<enthrops> apeiros: what I did was just move files from lib/ to lib/module_name/ and then changes the requires to prepend module_name/
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<enthrops> I think it works
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<pontiki> Hanmac: dat's cute :)
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<pontiki> >> class MyClass; raise "blah!" unless self.instance_methods.include?(:xyz); def xyz; end; end
<eval-in> pontiki => blah! (RuntimeError) ... (https://eval.in/34837)
<pontiki> huh
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<pontiki> that works in 2.0.0
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<Hanmac> pontiki: what did you exprect?
<srji> does anybody can recommend this ruby course? https://pragmaticstudio.com/ruby
<banister`sleep> pontiki: you're doing the check *before* you define the method
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<banister`sleep> pontiki: if you put the check after the mthod definition, it'll work
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<pontiki> yes, that's what i was trying to figure out
<banister`sleep> pontiki: do you understand now? :)
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<pontiki> and it doesn't work in 2.x; my mistake
<pontiki> yes; and it actually now makes perfect sense why it works that way
<pontiki> the raise and def are both executing ; i'm used to just thinking of classes as defining methods; but you can execute code directly in them as well, like modules
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<dernise> I mean, this line : if tmppid = safefork
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<dernise> (line 43)
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<djin> Can someone help me to name following class: http://pastie.org/private/bzcesttu3stolrmu46btg is it a Command, Action or Handler?
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<broquaint> dernise: Are you familiar with how fork() works?
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<dernise> broquaint : No. Is it a fork of a parent process?
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<broquaint> When fork() is called the parent process will see a number indicating the process ID of the child process and the child process will see a false value, which is why you'll generally see fork() used in a condition.
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<broquaint> e.g if child_pid = fork; puts "Just forked #{child_pid}"; ...; else; puts "This is the child process"; end
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<dernise> Oh ok, I understand now, thanks !
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<dernise> I'm trying to be more familiar with the Process class.. :)
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<buzzybron1> can a call be used like an object?
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<buzzybron1> i meant, can a Class be used like an ObjecT?
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<hoelzro> Classes are objects.
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<Hanmac> and some objects can be uses as Classes (singleton) ;P
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<atmosx> Hanmac: what is singleton?
<Xeago> atmosx: an object which can only exist once
<atmosx> ah
<atmosx> "can only exist once" ?
<atmosx> like a counter of other objects?
<Xeago> not necessarily
<atmosx> say I need to count hoe many instances of an objects I have
<Hanmac> atmosx & Xeago i meant the singleton class of the objects
<Hanmac> of in the case of true,false and nil where the class and the singleton_class are the same
<Xeago> I didn't read scrollback
<Xeago> databases are often modeled as singletons
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<Xeago> Database.instance.execute_query
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<apeiros> hurray for specs in PDF files, so nobody can parse them (IBAN country specific formats)
<dernise> Broquaint: In this file : https://github.com/arya/bluepill/blob/master/lib/bluepill/system.rb line 71, the code will fork and create a child process, then return the deamon_id.. But the command will never be executed, right ?
<dernise> ( The command is cmd, passed in the method)
<apeiros> but fuck it, I just wrote a small tool which reads the pdf and parses that. it's an unreliable mess, but well, what do you want to do with a pdf? :-(
<Xeago> apeiros: what is wrong with IBAN?
<Xeago> thought it was guaranteed to be <20chars max
<apeiros> na
<apeiros> it's slightly more complex
<atmosx> apeiros: you work on a bank?
<apeiros> you don't always need the full complexity, though
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<apeiros> atmosx: financial institution, not a bank
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<Xeago> country_code(2), numerical_code(2), bank_code(not sure about length), customer_code
<apeiros> or financial services institution. dunno.
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<apeiros> Xeago: the last part is country specific
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<Xeago> as in?
<Xeago> not guaranteed to be numerical?
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<Xeago> or length?
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<apeiros> well, it's guaranteed to be A-Za-z0-9
<apeiros> human readable might include spaces (though, I also remove dashes)
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<Xeago> swift is outdated
<Xeago> for about 3 years now
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<apeiros> o0
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<apeiros> the specs for the IBAN is not
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<Xeago> no, but swift is
<apeiros> so?
<Xeago> linked to swift.com
<apeiros> again, so?
<Xeago> I agree the internal structure of iban is confusing
<apeiros> do you imply that the document is obsolete?
<Xeago> if you have to extract data from it
<apeiros> afaik it is not
<apeiros> I have no qualms with the internal structure of iban. that's relatively easy.
<Xeago> SWIFT's on standard is obsolete
<Xeago> (which was called swift)
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<Xeago> s/on/own/
<apeiros> but the documentation of which country has what information in which segment in form of a pdf sucks
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<sandstrom> I'm building a small image server that will load images from S3, modify and resize them, and serve them. When I access an image using the url from the AWS S3 console latency is ~90 ms, but when using the AWS Ruby SDK latency is ~1000 ms. Any thoughts on why this may be?
<apeiros> Xeago: yes. again, the linked document may be *hosted* by swift. but it's about IBAN.
<apeiros> the contents of the document still apply.
<Xeago> yea I know, still swift, the standard, is outdated
<apeiros> if you know a newer authoritative source for the information provided by the document, feel free to tell me.
<apeiros> swift the standard is totally not part of this discussion :)
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<apeiros> swift.com is to my knowledge still the authoritative source for this
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<apeiros> whether or not SWIFT (the standard) is obsolete or not matters little in that regard
<_br_> sandstrom: You should try to run ruby benchmark or so around the interesting parts of your code to identify exactly where all the time is spent.
<Xeago> I agree, was a bit fast with saying swift was obsolete
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<Xeago> but what about SEPA?
<sandstrom> _br_: great suggestion, I'll look into that. Any other thoughts?
<Xeago> isn't that the organization governing the new standard?
<apeiros> no idea. SEPA is not on my duty list :)
<apeiros> but searching for information about who's the current authoritative IBAN registry, I found: http://www.swift.com/dsp/resources/documents/IBAN_Registry.txt
<apeiros> (and I confirmed that swift is indeed still the official registrar)
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<Speed> Hmm, quick question about double binding Ruby and C++:
<Xeago> that is new to me
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<Xeago> my bank is telling me to ignore everything swift (not specifying anything here), and follow IBAN and SEPA
<Speed> (I use mruby). So I have a Texture class and a Sprite class in C++, where Sprite has one texture as a member variable.
<apeiros> Xeago: there's a difference between SWIFT the standard and SWIFT the institution
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<Speed> How would I go and make the same class plus the relations available in Ruby?
<apeiros> IBAN the standard specifices a registrar for IBAN, and that's SWIFT, the institution
<Xeago> yes, but still, they aught to be a bit more specific in that case
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<apeiros> but nice, now I can throw that stupid pdf parser away and use a csv-ish parser instead
<apeiros> *much* nicer
<Speed> (say I make a new instance of Sprite in C++, I'd want to access to that in Ruby both to sprite, as well as sprite.texture)
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<Hanmac> Speed what libery do you want to bind?
<Speed> no library, my own C code
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<Speed> I figured for classes without relations I'd make a C++ member variable mrb_self, that would contain a ruby version of the class
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<Xeago> apeiros: why do you need to extract information anyways?
<Speed> but I have no idea how I'd handle relations
<Xeago> wouldn't storing the IBAN itself be sufficient?
<Xeago> or do you need more infomraiton from the string?
<cout> speed: well you can create a new ruby object every time texture() is called, or you can create that object up front so you get the same ruby object every time you call texture()
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<apeiros> Xeago: can't tell, sorry
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<Xeago> ok
<Speed> cout: but I'd want every C++ texture instance to have it's own Ruby texture instance
<Xeago> so I suppose you won't be releasing an parse_iban_gem :3
<cout> speed: sure
<Speed> so I'd be able to call texture.render both in C++ and in Ruby
<apeiros> but I think I'll provide this as a gem. there's already a couple of IBAN gems around, but none which allows to extract info and automated update of the specs.
<Xeago> aha!
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<apeiros> I think I'll start an ISO::/iso- series of gems anyway.
<cout> speed: so you define a texture method on your Sprite class
<Xeago> I dare you to parse http!
<cout> speed: and that method returns an object
<apeiros> I have an http parser
<Xeago> I have some very nice pay loads left over from school :)
<apeiros> and it wasn't even NIH
<Xeago> NIH?
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<apeiros> not invented here syndrome
<Speed> cout: ah I see. My idea was to do something among the lines of:
<apeiros> the available ones all were either missing something or made assumptions/were deeply embedded
<Speed> C++, construct a texture instance, create a mrb_self ruby instance and bind them
<Hanmac> Speed i did something similar in my rwx binding without mruby ... make a function that takes an Sprite or Texture object ... if the mrb_self is not set, than create an ruby object, if its set then return it
<apeiros> (well, maybe I also didn't spend enough time investigating, but at some point it's faster to just write what you need)
<Speed> for sprite, do the same, then manually go and connect sprite.texture.mrb_self to sprite.mrb_self
<Speed> (as an instance variable)
<Hanmac> double binding is often not needed, but if the C++ objects can store userdata ptr than the binding can benefit from that (and so the GC)
<cout> speed: sure, you could do that
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<Speed> cout: but when there's more relations it doesn't seem DRY
<cout> speed: it's not a problem that lends itself well to an abstraction
<Speed> indeed :/
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<cout> speed: if you come up with a good abstraction, I'd be curious to see it
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<Speed> the crappiest thing is that the developer has to have a deep knowledge of the code to know which ones have ruby bindings and which ones not, so he can properly connect them
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<Hanmac> Speed if you later post some code in an repository / gist i could look over it if i can optimize it
<cout> speed: why is that?
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<Speed> I'd be able to do some abstracting if I could convert a string with a C function/member name to the function, but that's not possible
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<cout> bbl, time to get off teh bus
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<Speed> cout: because when you make a new C++ class, you need to know what ruby relations you need to manually build
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<Speed> Hanmac: sure, I'll probably have something simple done in a bit
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<Hanmac> Speed do you want to look how i do something in my rwx binding? (it also have some store features)
<Speed> yes please :)
<Speed> the main reason why I'd want double binding is so I could have sprite.texture act as another object
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<Speed> without relations I could make the bindings to do sprite.texture_draw, sprite.texture_load, sprite_texture_x
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<Speed> but I'd want sprite.texture.draw, sprite.texture.load
<Speed> etc.
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<Hanmac> Speed: https://github.com/Hanmac/rwx/blob/master/ext/wxEvtHandler.cpp#L65 this classes have uses ClientObject to keep the releation between C++ obj and Ruby obj
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<Speed> hmm
<Speed> so rubyclientdata creates a new type of method, wrapPtr for that specific class?
<Hanmac> for sample with your code: sprite.texture maybe does return allways the same object(_id), while sprite.color does return an new Color object (because the color class may does not have ClientData attribute)
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<Hanmac> Speed: yes i use wrap<> and unwrap<> with the friends wrapPtr and unwrapPtr<> to convert Ruby and C++ Objects (its MRI code but i think it should be possible with mruby in similar way)
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<Speed> how could I create a new ruby object in C, and initialize it with a specific pointer (this)
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<Speed> so instead of allocating a new instance for Data_Wrap_Struct, I'd set it to NULL in allocate, then in initialize, I'd set it to the texture
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<Speed> DATA_PTR(mrb_texture) = this
<Speed> ?
<Speed> right, I'll be back in a bit, lunch time
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<Hanmac> Speed: it depends if the class does have an 2-Step contructor or only an 1-Step constructor ... if you only have an 1-Step than your way with "DATA_PTR(mrb_texture) = this" is the right one, BUT if you add it in the class itself (because i only write bindings i cant do that) than you can add Data_Wrap_Struct inside the Texture constructor
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<Speed> 1-step and 2-step constructors?
<Speed> I only have the Texture::Texture(std::string filename) constructor
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<Speed> oh, I thought Data_Wrap_Struct was meant to be used only in allocation functions
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<Hanmac> Speed yeah thats is an 1-Step, an 2-Step would be something like Texture() default contructor + create(std::string filename) member function
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<Speed> ah yes
<Hanmac> and yes you can put the Wrap_Struct in your Contstuctor directly if you want (and can)
<Speed> hmm, I think DATA_PTR would suit it better
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<Speed> because, if I construct a C instance, I want it to create the ruby one too. if I create a ruby instance, I want to bind that one to the C instance
<Speed> so basically
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<Speed> Texture(std::string filename, mrb_value *self=NULL)
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<Speed> if(self) DATA_PTR(self) = this
<Speed> else construct ruby object and DATA_PTR(obj) = this
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<Hanmac> or use an 2-step constuctor if you can (you can still use your Texture(std::string filename) constructor as secondary one)
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<Speed> so what would I use the second step for?
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<apeiros> lol, that IBAN_Registry.txt is silly too… country codes include notes… halleluja
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<Hanmac> Speed: Texture() creates an empty Texture object, and create/load(std::string filename) will finaly create this one, (the good part, ruby can use it in its allocate and initialize system too)
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<Speed> but how would I handle ruby vs. C++ instance creation
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<Speed> because if I do Texture test("filename"), I need to create the ruby instance
<Hanmac> moment, i make you a gist
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<Speed> if I do Texture.new(filename), I don't create the ruby instance, but the C instance, and bind them together
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<Speed> so the C constructor needs to create the ruby object, while the ruby initializer needs to create the C object
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<Hanmac> Speed: that would be my idea: https://gist.github.com/Hanmac/1e938c69c72c8912eadf
<Hanmac> its not working code, but you might be understand it
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<tjr_> hi
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<tjr_> I was a problem with the ruby codification. I have this irb> loc => "}\365\037"
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<tjr_> but if I do a print loc from my script I get "}\xF5\x1F" instead of "}\365\037"
<tjr_> it's the same but I need the second form
<tjr_> any ideas ?
<tjr_> what I do is --> print "loc.inspect"
<Speed> Hanmac: that yes, I understand that
<Speed> but you're assuming I'll create a new texture instance always from ruby
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<Hanmac> it also works when you create the texture inside an sprite object
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<Speed> but
<Speed> what if I create the texture instance from C++?
<Speed> I need to create a ruby object then :)
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<Speed> Texture *texture = new Texture("test.png"); needs a ruby object too
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<Hanmac> then the constructor will also create the ruby part ( i updated the gist https://gist.github.com/Hanmac/1e938c69c72c8912eadf )
<banister`sleep> Hanmac: this is your world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOh8zeH8mtM
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<Speed> Hanmac: yes, but if I create a new ruby instance from the C++ constructor, texture_allocate and texture_initialize will get called in ruby, which we don't want
<Hanmac> hm no they would not
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<Speed> if the C++ constructor calls "rb_class_new_instance", then they both get called
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<Hanmac> yeah, thats why you should use DATA_WRAP_STRUCT in the constructor and not "rb_class_new_instance"
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<Speed> ah
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<Speed> Hanmac: how about this
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<Speed> it probably has some errors in it, as it confuses me.. ruby->c++->ruby->c++...
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<Speed> the c++ constructor needs to do different things depending on whether ruby called it or not
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<Speed> Hanmac: I think mruby has write barriers for that
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<Spooner> tjr_, b = 20.fdiv(8).ceil
<Speed> thanks for your code sample, I'll finish working on it when I get back in a few hors
<Hanmac> i dont kow i only used MRI
<Speed> *hours
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<tjr_> Spooner: much better now :) thank you so much
<Speed> I'll post the finished result then :)
<Speed> bye
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<e-dard> Hi, anyone got any idea what's going on here? Why is the wrong class getting resolved first? https://gist.github.com/e-dard/970263a5292ef8b1aa96
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<ericwood> that looks fine
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<ericwood> I don't understand what the problem is
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<MrZYX> looks like an issue with rails autoloading -> #rubyonrails
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<e-dard> ericwood: it's resolving the wrong class
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<ericwood> oh
<e-dard> and then same input to Rails console and it resolves the right class
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<ericwood> rails majik
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<e-dard> MrZYX: OK, I'll try there.
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<Xeago> what is the casing for class names, TransactionHistory right?
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<pontiki> yes CamelCase
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<pontiki> though the only requirement is initial upper case
<Spooner> tjr_, I sent you a PM.
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<bklane> Is there anyway to validate custom values of a hash?
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<wuest> bklane: explain what you're trying to do? A gist with an example might help.
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<bklane> https://gist.github.com/blklane/5855023, I have a product that takes product fields from the product type it belongs to, along with the field are validaitons. I have the validations saving to the product now and i can pull them in a array with one value being the product field it relates to and the other being the law it needs to obey
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<MrZYX> -> #rubyonrails
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<ericwood> that's all you've done today :P
<MrZYX> ;P
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<MrZYX> we should just get a bot for that
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<MrZYX> trigger on view(s), validation(s), model(s) and rails
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<apeiros> aren't you that bot, MrZYX? :)
<MrZYX> :(
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<YaNakilon> >> 2+2
<eval-in> YaNakilon => 4 (https://eval.in/34858)
<YaNakilon> >> 2/0
<eval-in> YaNakilon => divided by 0 (ZeroDivisionError) ... (https://eval.in/34859)
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<MrZYX> YaNakilon: where's the question?
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<YaNakilon> >> y = 0; x = ->(){y.call}; y = ->(){x.call}; x.call
<eval-in> YaNakilon => stack level too deep (SystemStackError) ... (https://eval.in/34860)
<YaNakilon> good bot, mine was crashing )
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<YaNakilon> >> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in> YaNakilon => "2.0.0" (https://eval.in/34861)
<YaNakilon> oh, that's why
<MrZYX> 19>> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in> MrZYX => "1.9.3" (https://eval.in/34862)
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<YaNakilon> 19>> y = 0; x = ->(){y.call}; y = ->(){x.call}; x.call
<eval-in> YaNakilon => stack level too deep (SystemStackError) ... (https://eval.in/34863)
<YaNakilon> y ruby and irb just quit
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<YaNakilon> *my
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<grillermo> in this definition def measure_time(initial=Time.new(), ending=nil) the initial value will be set when the functions is first read by the interpreter (around the time i run the application) or when the function is called?
<MrZYX> easy to try out
<Hanmac> grillermo: when the function is called
<grillermo> ok thanks
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<kraljev1> what if we violate that constraint?
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<kraljev1> that value might not be there
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<MrZYX> if it's not there at the last level you'll get nil
<MrZYX> if an intermediate key isn't there already, you'll get NoMethod for NilClass
<kraljev1> otherwise error about #[]
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<MrZYX> if you want nil instead: .inject(hash) {|hash, key| hash[key] || {} }
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<MrZYX> well, actually that'll return {}
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<MrZYX> .inject(hash) {|hash, key| (hash|| {})[key] } was it
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<kraljev1> that is smart :)
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<r0bgl33s0n> sup dnyy
<r0bgl33s0n> funny seeing you here
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<dnyy> r0bgl33s0n: i am all about some ruby bruh
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<BlakeRG> what's a good background worker framework? i need something i can poll a database with every X number of minutes and process the data
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<ShellFu> BlakeRG, you could use threads for it... Not sure your end goal so that may or may not be applicable for you.
<kenichi> cron? haha
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<kenichi> good background worker framework == sidekiq, but agree with ShellFu on your intent
<BlakeRG> something akin to this? http://python-rq.org/
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<BlakeRG> or nodeJS's "forever"
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<TTilus> BlakeRG: if you already depend on redis, you might want to check resque
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<kenichi> sidekiq > resque
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<spcshpopr8r> please help me... http://pastie.org/8079449
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<spcshpopr8r> I need to work with those numbers...but, um...what is that, UTF? I dunno....if i `file wtf-utf.txt` linux tells me its "data"
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<spcshpopr8r> `strings wtf_utf.txt` doesn't produce anything
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<MrZYX> `file wtf_utf.txt` ?
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<spcshpopr8r> MrZYX: wtf_utf.txt: data
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<Hanmac> spcshpopr8r: what is your default encoding? maybe the file does have some unprintable chars?
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<MrZYX> hm, utf16 maybe?
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<MrZYX> in big endian?
<MrZYX> but then the dots are normal, hmm
<kenichi> spcshpopr8r: File.read('wtf_utf.txt').encoding ?
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<spcshpopr8r> kenichi: => #<Encoding:US-ASCII>
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<spcshpopr8r> fwiw, this file was produced by a java program (mahout)
<MrZYX> "\x007\x00".unpack("S>").first.chr #=> "7"
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<spcshpopr8r> but, hell, it's just a list of numbers
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<spcshpopr8r> MrZYX: I've tried bunches of packing/unpacking but not that particular incantation...let me try
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<MrZYX> well, the dots and newlines aren't in that format
<spcshpopr8r> Hanmac: my system `locale` is en_US.UTF-8
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<spcshpopr8r> JAVA_OPTS set as such as well (tried with "UTF-8" and "en_US.UTF8")
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<apeiros> the tons of null-bytes suggests utf-16
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<apeiros> and broken too since utf-16 afaik is mandated to have a BOM (which your file lacks)
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<_br_> I'm using RMagick here. I want to write color patches with a specific RGB as fill color. I can't get this to work. How can I pass rgb ints (0-255), to RMagick::Draw#fill ? Currently I'm using "rgb(int,int,int)" but it just writes white patches despite it containing different ints.
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<MrZYX> guess they are doubles from 0 to 1
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<apeiros> hm, odd though that the number is \x07 and cat shows it as 7
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<apeiros> MrZYX: you mean int16? doubles are floating point…
<spcshpopr8r> MrZYX: interesting http://pastie.org/8079492 but not quite
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<MrZYX> apeiros: sorry, that was for _br_
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<apeiros> ah
<apeiros> sorry :)
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<sandstrom> I'm building a small image server that will load images from S3, modify and resize them, and serve them. When I access an image using the url from the AWS S3 console latency is ~90 ms, but when using the AWS Ruby SDK latency is ~1000 ms. Any thoughts on why this may be?
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<_br_> MrZYX: Hm, trying that currently lets see
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<MrZYX> >> "\x007\x00.\x000\x00\n\x007\x00.\x000\x00\n".force_encoding("UTF-16BE")
<eval-in> MrZYX => "7.0\n7.0\n" (https://eval.in/34897)
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<MrZYX> spcshpopr8r: apeiros ^
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<_br_> MrZYX: Nope, doesn't care for 0-1 numerics, doesn't care if I try percent as shown here (http://sethvoltz.github.io/2013/01/31/imagemagick-and-rmagick-for-testing-colors/)
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<_br_> Never mind. Pebkac.
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<spcshpopr8r> MrZYX: getting close, I think
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<spcshpopr8r> `iconv -f UTF-16BE -t UTF-8 wtf_utf.txt > wtf_utf.txt.readable.dammit`
<spcshpopr8r> thank you...dear ruby...and MrZYX...and friends
<spcshpopr8r> at the moment I think I can justify blaming Java for the pain in the middle of my back
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<ShellFu> Thats the right thing to do :)
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<kenichi> is there anyway to reclaim the name of old, unmaintained, apparently unused, gems?
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<oz> kenichi: appart from trying to e-mail the author?
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<kenichi> oz: i did email but haven't heard back... GH link off rubygems 404s, search for user turns up emtpy....
<oz> :/
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<kenichi> most of this author's gems are 0.0.0 and from '10-'11
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<RubNoob> hey guys/gals - can anyone recommend a good gem to do versioning of AR objects that have has_many associations?
<slash_nick> kenichi: think of a more clever name?
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<TTilus> kenichi: escalate to rubygems repo maintainers, id guess they would have a process to handle abandoned gems
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<TTilus> kenichi: or plain pre/postfix name with "better", "new", "cool", "2", "nextgen", ... :)
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<bricker_> Is this is a sensible/common approach? https://gist.github.com/bricker/5860844 My thought is that it would be better for memory
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<bricker> rather than needlessly making a new, identical object every time the method is called
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<MrZYX> we got symbols for that
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<bricker> MrZYX: yeah but I can't really store a hash of defaults in a symbol, can I?
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<MrZYX> nope, I can only judge from you example ;)
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<bricker> eh?
<MrZYX> in your example a symbol would work
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<bricker> MrZYX: oh yeah
<bricker> MrZYX: I guess an example closer to my actual scenario would have been more helpful
<bricker> MrZYX: so pretend that string was instead a hash or some other object that couldn't be symbolized - is this approach sensible?
<MrZYX> depends on what the caller does with the return value
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<bricker> I guess the other option is to memoize, but I like this approach because I don't have to define the method on every class, just a constant at the top of the class
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<MrZYX> i.e. I'd make sure to freeze it at least
<bricker> clear to other developers where to go to change a default
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<BlakeRG> is there a gem to pretty print data structures list lists and arrays
<bricker> caller would just be doing something like defauts[:limit], where `def defaults; self.class::DEFAULTS; end`
<BlakeRG> not rails specific
<bricker> BlakeRG: awesome_print
<BlakeRG> bricker: done and done, thanks!
<bricker> BlakeRG: Pry also does it, if you're into that sort of thing
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<yebyen> i have a feeling there may be a gem for what I want to do, but I don't know it...
<waxjar_> BlakeRG, prettyprint (pp) from the stdlib?
<BlakeRG> this is golden, thanks bricker
<yebyen> how can I take an event, and defer processing until I see if more similar events come?
<BlakeRG> hmmm… let me see what pp can do too
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<yebyen> my goal is to wait until no more events come for about 1 whole minute, and then let the deferred processing execute just once
<yebyen> is there a data structure just for what I want to do?
<yebyen> it's slightly more complicated because the events are not in a thread, they're coming from incron
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<BlakeRG> i know bundler exists, but is there something like an autoload file? (coming from PHP/composer world)
<BlakeRG> so i don't have to require so many libs in my script
<BlakeRG> i can just bundle install, and require one file
<terrellt> yebyen: I dunno. Just a regular queue who you only pop things off of when a timer (that gets reset) falls to zero?
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<MrZYX> BlakeRG: read up on Bundler.require
<fryguy> BlakeRG: you should read the bundler documentation. bundler does the requires for you
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<yebyen> terrellt: that's kind of what I want, but more in the form of a lockfile
<BlakeRG> awesome, thanks MrZYX and fryguy
<yebyen> terrellt: maybe I touch a file, and wait 60 seconds... if the mtime has changed by then, don't do anything
<yebyen> terrellt: and when the 60 seconds pass with no changes, remove the file and do the job?
<yebyen> that sounds like it should work
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<waxjar_> you can iterate over an array of library names and require them all
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<yebyen> in go they have import { "foo", "bar" }
<yebyen> or something like that
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<BlakeRG> i've moved all of my app dependancies over to a gem file and ran bundle install, how do i load them into my ruby script now? i've tried adding: require 'bundler/setup'
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<bricker> BlakeRG: Bundler.require
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<BlakeRG> bricker: ok, think thats working sort of. i added: require 'bundler/setup'; Bundler.require
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<BlakeRG> awesome_print complains: cannot load such file -- crack/xml
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<BlakeRG> looks like i need to 'gem install crack'… but if that's a dependency of awesome_print why didn't bundler install it for me?
<BlakeRG> when i require the three libs i need right in the script it works fine
<fryguy> looks like crack isn't specified as a dependency in awesome_print for some reason
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<BlakeRG> lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/ap-0.1.1/lib/ap.rb:2:in `require': cannot load such file -- crack/xml (LoadError)
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<BlakeRG> hah, i fixed it
<BlakeRG> i had to require ruby gems as well
<MrZYX> hm, you shouldn't need to on 1.9
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<kenneth> hey all
<kenneth> i have a question for you
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<BlakeRG> should i be on 2.0 ?
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<BlakeRG> think i went back down to 1.9 for some tutorial i was following
<MrZYX> if you start learning, I'd suggest that, yeah
<kenneth> so i'd like to capture stdout and stderr. that's easy, i can just do $stdout/err = a_string_io
<BlakeRG> sorry everyone, total ruby newbie here, been on PHP for 12 years.. need something better
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<Hanmac> kenneth: depends some use STDOUT / STDERR
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<kenneth> but if i want to keep the chronology between them; while still knowing which output goes to which; is there a way to do that?
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<Hanmac> BlakeRG: you found it ;P
<kenneth> Hanmac: i can live with that. not much of a problem in my use case
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<kenneth> basically what i'd like to do is make a rack middleware that'll capture all output (and any exception) and print a json that looks like this:
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<kenneth> {output: [ {stdout: 'hello world'}, {stderr: 'something just got printed to stderr\nand something else'}, {stdout: 'and this went to stdout'} ], exception: {desc: 'w/e', backtrace: [ … ] } }
<kenneth> it'll make it much easier to log things in a production environment (since each request == just one line)
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<kenneth> and then i'll make a tool that you can pipe these log files to and it'll print nicely formatted logs in color etc
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<BlakeRG> i need something that i can harness at least green threads and do background worker, data processing type stuff
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<kenneth> the only tricky part right now is keeping the chronology between the stdout and stderr captures
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<Speed> Hanmac: back. about your gist before
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<Speed> you got rid of the deallocate method
<Speed> but I bet the destructor doesn't get automatically called?
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<Hanmac> Speed: the problem: if the Texture is used, on the C++ side, but the GC thinks that the value is not used on the Ruby side it tries to destroy the ruby object ... if the C++ object is still in use while this happens you get bad results
<Speed> hmm, this is getting a bit too complicated regarding how everything is set up.. I'd just want an easy way to mess with both Sprite and sprite's Texture in Ruby, while it'd look like C in the background
<Hanmac> other direction: when the C++ side destroy the object, the Pointer inside the Ruby object can get invalid too (my rwx binding does not full cover this case up)
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<BlakeRG> how do i print a data's type?
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<Hanmac> BlakeRG: you mean object.class ?
<fryguy> BlakeRG: call the class method on it
<Speed> let's say you had to write a ruby binding, and you had those two classes, Sprite and Texture, where Texture can either be a child instance variable of Sprite or behave on it's own
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<Speed> how'd you write the bindings for it
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<BlakeRG> so even all basic data types are a class?
<MrZYX> yes
<MrZYX> well, objects
<Hanmac> BlakeRG: in ruby yes
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<MrZYX> BlakeRG: even classes have a class ;P
<BlakeRG> assignment operators ?
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<BlakeRG> monkey patching gone wild
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<Hanmac> Speed: in this case if i dont have control about the lib itself i just would use WRAP_STRUCT and the other without keeping the reference to the Ruby object of the Texture ... so sprite.texture always make an new ruby object but with the same C++ Pointer inside
<Speed> ah I see
<Speed> well I'll write a few more classes in C, then figure out what actually makes sense in ruby..
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<Hanmac> Speed it also depends if your Sprite#getTexture on the C++ side returns an Texture*Pointer or an Texture&Reference and if the object is deleted when the Sprite dies ...
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<Hanmac> because of that i copy references often to the heap with new so the Ruby object does not get invalid if the Sprite object dies
<Hanmac> in my current project rendertarget.view returns an reference of the View object (because you mostly will not use a view without a window), but sprite.color returns a copy
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<atmosx> In order to put a dependency in a gemspec, I put s.dependency = "gem", "version-no" ?
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<atmosx> got it
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<apples_> https://gist.github.com/Zenreich/4c180501e551e09be20a is there a better way to do this?
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<MrZYX> use shuffle, instead of shuffle!. In general don't rely on the return value of bang methods
<apples_> true, its unnecessary there; i do mean specifically the variable assignment though
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<MrZYX> not sure when strip would raise
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<MrZYX> there are very few valid usecases for the modifier rescue
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<MrZYX> typeid, name = line.split(/\s*?,\s*?/).map(&:strip)
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<MrZYX> typeid = typeid.to_i
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<MrZYX> would be the only alternative I could come up with
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<MrZYX> also to_a = lines
<apples_> what do you mean?
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<MrZYX> hm, actually I can't even find String#to_a ..
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<Hanmac> because String#to_a does not exist anymore
<Hanmac> since YEARS
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<apples_> Huh. The original code I'm working with was rushed and generally crappy, so I'm working out a bunch of issues like that as I go
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<apeiros> since 1.9, so indeed years :)
<apeiros> for those who weren't stuck in the past
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<atmosx> where's shevy
<apples_> MrZYX: should I use .each_line in place of to_a?
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<MrZYX> since you want to shuffle them I'd prefer .lines.shuffle.each
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<Hanmac> apples_ you can use this in place for the lines 158-161 /(?<typeid>\S+)\s*,\s*(?<name>\S+)?/ =~ line
<apples_> Thanks
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<Hanmac> its a black magic only for regex literals ... they assign instance variables for you
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<sethetter> True or False: the use of __FILE__ is not permitted when calling ruby via cgi..?
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<apeiros> sethetter: try it
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<apeiros> wait, no, don't.
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<apeiros> it'll make your computer explode, after deleting all your data and sending all your porn to all email addresses in your contacts!
<sethetter> I did. I'm trying to narrow down where my failure is happening. That's my best guess so far.
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<apeiros> also, who on earth still uses cgi? o0
<sethetter> No big deal, I've got computers to spare. And maybe my contacts would appreciate it :)
<sethetter> My employer.. :( I'm not stoked about it. It's cgi scripting in ruby 1.8.7
<sethetter> But, the executives have spoken... Awesome right?
<apeiros> lol
<apeiros> I'd fire that employer
<sethetter> Good idea, I'll shoot them an email real quick.
<sethetter> Oh wait, I forgot. They're paying my bills..
<sethetter> Damn monetary system.
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<MrZYX> tell them that their system won't receive any security updates anymore and that could mean that they'll loose money :P
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<sethetter> MrZYX: If they listened to anything I said, I wouldn't have started this project in the first place.
<pontiki_> perhaps even lose money
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<whitenoise> why is it that ActiveSupport Inflector methods don't work on strings after it's required..but I have to call ActiveSupport::Inflector.pluralize(string) rather than being able to do string.pluralize
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<whitenoise> answer: it's because i did require 'active_support' rather than require 'active_support/inflector'
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<Thermo> Is there a ruby newbies channel?
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<MrZYX> just ask ;)
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<burgalon> anyone has experience with OpenSSL::PKCS7.add_signer() and could help me understand how to use it?
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<swordsmanz> how come hello = gets.chomp gives me an error ?
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<apples_> https://gist.github.com/Zenreich/4cab8cfe0b9e11ce2878 How can I use Nokogiri to improve this?
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<Siecje> why is it 4.0 final? makes it sounds like there is no more versions
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