#ruby on 2012-09-16 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2012-07-24 17:30 fflush changed the topic of #ruby to: Ruby 1.9.3-p194: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste > 3 lines of text on pastebin.com

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00:01 <m3pow> i use ubuntu .....and changed it straight from Win 7 that was installed on the laptop

00:01 <m3pow> it;s great

00:01 <shevy> oh

00:01 <shevy> I mean Linux as in do-things-yourself

00:01 <shevy> I still fail at upgrading glibc though

00:01 <m3pow> yes !....it is a more rewarding OS than others

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00:08 <m3pow> ok..i will head up to get some sleep

00:08 <m3pow> have a good night guys ...take good care

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00:43 <_JamieD_> hi, would anyone be able to explain to me why something like this https://gist.github.com/3730584 in a rails controller is not picking up newly created records from the database. Say we start with an empty table, the code is run, then in a separate process entries are added to the database. I'm using the puma server FYI

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00:45 <_JamieD_> oops, just noticed I posted this in the ruby room instead of the rails room

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00:54 <jrajav> HOOOW DAAARE YOU

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01:06 <methodmat312> hello, am I wasting time writing a multi-threaded ruby script? I can't find any recent doc on this

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01:06 <havenn> methodmat312: Take a look at Celluloid: http://celluloid.io/

01:06 <methodmat312> havenn thank you

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01:12 <wubino> are there any ruby web frameworks with gui built in?

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01:13 <havenn> wubino: What do you mean by gui? Like pre-existing templates or css for the view?

01:13 <havenn> wubino: Or do you mean native apps?

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01:14 <wubino> Yes. I am looking for a ruby equiv to pythons luban,,,, css javascript html front ends

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01:17 <havenn> wubino: Jekyll, Nanoc, and Middleman are popular.

01:17 <havenn> wubino: nanoc: http://nanoc.stoneship.org/

01:17 <havenn> wubino: Jekyll: https://github.com/mojombo/jekyll

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01:18 <havenn> wubino: Github generated pages are built with Jekyll, I think I recall.

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01:18 <havenn> wubino: Ruby Toolbox "Static Website Generat[ors]": https://www.ruby-toolbox.com/categories/static_website_generation

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01:20 <atmosx> havenn: yes

01:20 <atmosx> I use octopress a jekyll spin-off

01:20 <atmosx> err blog

01:21 <atmosx> anyway I'm off to bed

01:21 <havenn> atmosx: Nice, I gotta check out Octopress.

01:21 <atmosx> yeah it's nice & simple

01:21 <atmosx> anyway I'm off to bed cya :-)

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01:22 <atmosx> wubino: you can try also octopress is mostly a blogging engine but might suit you, it's almost ready… with works with sass/haml

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01:24 <wubino> thanks havenn and atmosx

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01:28 <tarwich> What's the best options parser? I want to accept CLI args as -v —debug arg1 arg2 or… -v -debug arg1 arg2. Currently perusing rubygems.org

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01:29 <dmiller_> tarwich: why not just use OptionParser (http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-1.9.3/libdoc/optparse/rdoc/OptionParser.html) ?

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01:30 <tarwich> One of the ones I'm looking at. However there's many. Has anyone used any of them that you might tell me your favorite?

01:30 <tarwich> For example Trollop looks really sexy

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01:41 <ryanf> trollop is fine, slop is fine

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01:42 <tarwich> slop looks nice too! hmm...

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02:00 <karstensrage> is a local variable declared outside of a case visible within the case?

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02:07 <heftig> karstensrage: sure

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02:10 <blackxored> hello guys, do you know about a transparent way to add caching to Net::HTTP?

02:10 <blackxored> I've found a project but it's pretty old

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02:13 <tarwich> ryanf: Tried trollop and slop. Trollop went from 0 to implemented faster so I'm sticking with that. However, I've noticed that many times that means later you find it lacking. Know what I mean?

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02:14 <karstensrage> heftig right outside the case myfoo.inspect shows MyFoo:0x104d32908

02:15 <karstensrage> inside the case its #<#<Class:0x103602418>:0x104cc8fa8>

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02:16 <heftig> karstensrage: can you pastebin some code that illustrates your problem?

02:16 <karstensrage> lets see if can reproduce it

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02:27 <karstensrage> hmm

02:28 <karstensrage> not sure what i was doing wrong, but its working now

02:28 <karstensrage> maybe i skipped a letter

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02:41 <kaushik_> hi

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03:15 <timut> hey

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03:17 <seanstickle> hoy

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03:18 <tuy> hey

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04:04 <cody--> hey

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04:05 <seanstickle> Yay

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04:40 <sent-hil> are there any recently released (<1 year) good ruby books?

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04:40 <cody--> hi

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04:48 <josePhoenix> Greetings all

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04:49 <josePhoenix> I'm trying to make a simple ruby script to resize an image using RMagick

04:49 <josePhoenix> I can't get it to find rmagick... it says 'cannot load such file'

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04:49 <josePhoenix> I thought it was installed systemwide since sudo gem install rmagick completed successfully

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04:51 <prettymuchbryce> Whats the error josePhoenix

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04:52 <josePhoenix> "LoadError: cannot load such file -- rmagick"

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04:54 <prettymuchbryce> Are you on a mac?

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04:54 <josePhoenix> This is linux mint

04:54 <josePhoenix> I actually got it running on my mac fine :\

04:54 <prettymuchbryce> What does RMagick use on Linux? On Mac it uses ImageMagick.

04:54 <josePhoenix> It uses imagemagick

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04:55 <josePhoenix> I had to install the -dev packages for imagemagick to get rmagick to install

04:55 <prettymuchbryce> Okay that was my only idea. I'm not sure

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04:56 <josePhoenix> http://dpaste.org/rpXQ2/ <- installs successfully, can't require it

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08:29 <shevy> josePhoenix didn't RMagick die?

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08:38 <Sargun> Is there any way, midway in my program, I can start a repl?

08:38 <Sargun> in the same scope

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08:42 <bnagy> this is a joke, yes?

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08:42 <Sargun> bnagy: I'm debugging an unawesome memory leak

08:43 <bnagy> gem install pry

08:43 <Sargun> ah, herp-derp

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08:43 <Sargun> That's what I was thinking of :X

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09:00 <Hanmac> Sargun irb could help too

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09:11 <fowl> bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom bom, mr hanmac, bring me a dream bum bum bum bum make him the cutest that i've ever seen bum bum bum bum give him two lips likes roses and clover bum bum bum bum then tell him that his lonely nights are over

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09:30 <thestereobus> with phusion passenger you can share the 'pool' of instances across any number of apps, right?

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09:31 <Hanmac> thestereobus i think you are in the wrong channel ...

09:31 <heisenmink> thestereobus: try #rubyonrails

09:31 <thestereobus> I'll look for a better one. thanks

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09:36 <banisterfiend`> Hanmac lol bn

09:36 <banisterfiend`> burn

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10:02 <moshef> I have a mixing module which I include in some class by doing include SomeMixinModule, now i'd like to have this module included by calling it in some initializer. how do I do that?

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10:04 <Hanmac> moshef you mean something like object.extend(SomeMixinModule) ?

10:05 <moshef> yeah

10:05 <moshef> but I don't have the objects, I have the files

10:05 <moshef> should I get the objects?

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10:07 <Hanmac> are you looking for require or require_relative? oo

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10:07 <moshef> hmm, well I actually used include, not require

10:08 <Mon_Ouie> include and require are for completely different tasks

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10:08 <moshef> I know

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10:08 <moshef> I used include to extend my class

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10:28 <fowl> Hanmac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDXT7wC9jrc

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10:59 <shevy> god rails is enormous

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11:03 <shevy> local $SIG{__WARN__} = sub {

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11:03 <shevy> perl is one ugly motherfucker

11:03 <shevy> ironically this seems to be valid ruby code? :(

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11:04 <heftig> what?

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11:05 <shevy> hmm

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11:05 <shevy> the $SIG{__WARN__} part, wonder if $SIG could be used as a method

11:05 <heftig> No

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11:06 <heftig> you also can't have a method call like that as an lvalue

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11:07 <shevy> :(

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11:19 <tommylommykins> hmm

11:20 <tommylommykins> ooi, why do some constructs in ruby return no value?

11:20 <tommylommykins> like alias

11:20 <tommylommykins> why not just return nil?

11:22 <Hanmac> tommylommykins why do you need an return value?

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11:23 <tommylommykins> Hanmac: Just for consistency in the language

11:24 <Hanmac> alias itself is a bit freaky ... i prefer alias_method

11:24 <Mon_Ouie> alias does return nil.

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11:24 <Mon_Ouie> Every statement in Ruby is also an expression

11:24 <Mon_Ouie> (or rather, "evaluate to nil")

11:24 <tommylommykins> it it just not a permitted construction in the grammar?

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11:25 <tommylommykins> x = alias :a :print

11:25 <tommylommykins> gets a syntax error

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11:25 <tommylommykins> perhaps I shoulfd have asked that

11:25 <Mon_Ouie> x = (alias a print)

11:26 <tommylommykins> oh

11:28 <banisterfiend`> tommylommykins afaik errthang returns a vale

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11:28 <banisterfiend`> value

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11:29 <tommylommykins> So what's the point of making "x = alias :a :print" invalid?

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11:32 <Muz> Ambiguous syntax.

11:32 <Muz> Optional brackets are fucking stupid. ;)

11:33 <Muz> As nice as it may look to omit them on simple expressions, it makes people lazy, and complex expressions harder to deterministically decipher the intention of.

11:34 <banisterfiend`> tommylommykins it just confuses the parser i guess

11:34 <banisterfiend`> tommylommykins it thinks you're trying to do (x = alias) :a :print

11:34 <banisterfiend`> or something

11:35 <tommylommykins> surely not? alias has its own syntax? Something in the form (alias x y)? so (x = alias) shouldn't be a possibility?

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11:37 <banisterfiend`> tommylommykins: parsers aren't as smart as you think they are, cf the famous c++ template <<Blah>> bug

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11:37 <banisterfiend`> you had to put an explicit space between the two << in C++ or it would think you were doing a left shift

11:38 <banisterfiend`> they fixed that now, but it was a bug for ages

11:38 <banisterfiend`> well not a bug, an ambiguity that had to be explicitly resolved by the programmer

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11:39 <banisterfiend`> tommylommykins basically it's a trade off between parsing speed and programmer speed, if ruby parser was to catch that issue you discuss then parsing might take much longer...but since it's an unlikely and weird piece of code anyway, it wasnt worth the effort

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12:14 <jani> is there something fishy with Dir.glob for not getting list of files if the directoryname in pattern has spaces or [] chars ? (propably they need to be escaped but i'll ask anyway)

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12:17 <jani> indeed, escaping required ..

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12:51 <shevy> why are things like pygame existing in python, but in ruby these things barely exist?

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12:53 <fowl> shut up shevy

12:53 <fowl> just take a day of silence plz

12:54 <atmosx> hey shevy !

12:54 <atmosx> shevy: because ruby developers don't have time to lose! They build websites!

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12:57 <shevy> atmosx yeah

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12:57 <shevy> atmosx either there must be at least 3x as many people using python... or they have more devs... or it is easier to write bindings in python

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13:02 <Hanmac> shevy yeah i allready do 3d prgramming today ... :/

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13:03 <shevy> yeah but look how long it takes you

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13:06 <shevy> YEARS

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13:07 <atmosx> I think I'm hungry

13:07 <atmosx> last thing, I need to fix cpan on the freebsd and it's own... oh I need also a usb hub.

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13:07 <atmosx> from amazon...

13:08 <atmosx> brb

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13:09 <shevy> fix cpan?

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13:15 <Hanmac> shevy find me new underlings and i will maybe faster :P

13:17 <shevy> hmm

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13:17 <shevy> Hanmac, the problem is, the underlings must be clever

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13:18 <shevy> it would be kinda great to write bindings only once and have them work for every scripting language

13:18 <shevy> Hanmac, use swig :)

13:19 <Hanmac> swig is not rubylike enough :(

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13:21 <atma1> Hanmac: you're writing a game?

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13:21 <Hanmac> atma1 no, I write an binding for a 3d engine

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13:25 <shevy> and THEN he writes a game

13:25 <shevy> :D

13:25 <atma1> I see

13:25 <atma1> cool

13:26 <atma1> I'm off cya later :-P

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14:16 <taypen> hey, when i try to send a controll transfer to usb device i get error... invalid params {:dataIn=>90}

14:16 <taypen> this is the command: handle.control_transfer( :bmRequestType => USB_REQUEST_TYPE, :bRequest => USB_REQUEST, :wValue => USB_VALUE, :wIndex => USB_INDEX, :dataOut => USB_BUFFER, :dataIn => 90 , :timeout => 0)

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14:17 <taypen> :dataIn parameter was in the libusb api so how can it be invalid?

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14:19 <deryl> wonder if that space is being passed as part of it '90 ,' might need to be 90, since its looking for integers only

14:19 <deryl> just a guess

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14:29 <taypen> deryl, nah, this wasnt the case. i just deleted this parameter and this worked fine

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14:30 <deryl> yeah looked up the api. sorry for the bad answer. it *should* take it according to http://rubydoc.info/gems/libusb/LIBUSB/DevHandle:control_transfer

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14:40 <cody--> hey

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15:27 <lxsameer> hi guys, i was reading a book about ruby, but there no explanation about exception handling, can any one point me to a good article for learning that?

15:28 <davidcelis> http://google.com/search?q=ruby+exception+handling

15:28 <swarley> lxsameer, its actually pretty easy

15:28 <swarley> let me write up an exmple for you

15:29 <lxsameer> swarley: is it like python's one ?

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15:29 <lxsameer> davidcelis: thanks man i already done, that i just want a good reference or article

15:29 <swarley> lxsameer, http://pastebin.com/KTZzqhPR

15:29 <davidcelis> the first article WAS a good article

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15:30 <davidcelis> and the third result was a good reference

15:30 <swarley> You wrap it in a begin; rescue; end block and if an exception is raised, it goes into e in this case

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15:30 <swarley> any class that inherits Exception is caught as well

15:30 <lxsameer> swarley: thanks man

15:30 <swarley> no problem

15:30 <lxsameer> davidcelis: ok you prove you point

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15:31 <Hanmac> lxsameer when you are inside a def you could use the exception-scope from the method so you dont need the extra begin & end

15:32 <swarley> huh, i actually didnt know that

15:32 <lxsameer> Hanmac: i don't get it

15:32 <banisterfiend`> swarley: no, only class which inherit StandardError are caught

15:32 <swarley> With Exception?

15:33 <davidcelis> yes

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15:33 <banisterfiend`> Exeption isn't caught by a straght 'rescue'

15:33 <banisterfiend`> Exception*

15:33 <banisterfiend`> you need an explicit rescue Exception

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15:33 <banisterfiend`> to capture everything

15:33 <davidcelis> he did

15:34 <Hanmac> http://www.ruby-mine.de/2010/10/11/rescue-revisited-zucker-f-r-m-ll-und-basic-errorhandling

15:34 <banisterfiend`> ah

15:34 <banisterfiend`> i only saw his code on chan

15:34 <banisterfiend`> <swarley> You wrap it in a begin; rescue; end block and if an exception is raised, it goes into e in this case

15:34 <banisterfiend`> :)

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15:35 <swarley> okie dokie, i was about to say xD

15:35 <Hanmac> lxsameer & swarley: something like this is valid too: ... notice the missing begin:

15:35 <Hanmac> def get(id); repository.get(id); rescue NotFoundError => e; nil; end;

15:36 <swarley> I was pretty sure the "rescue" block, calls error.is_a? specified_error_type

15:36 <davidcelis> lxsameer, swarley: essentially this https://gist.github.com/3732872

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15:37 * Hanmac try to show it better: def get(id) repository.get(id) rescue NotFoundError => e nil end

15:37 <swarley> ah

15:37 <swarley> Nifty

15:37 <swarley> I hadn't known that before today. Good to have learned something

15:37 <Hanmac> some guys do: "method rescue nil" but its a bit dirty

15:37 <davidcelis> rescue nil :(

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15:39 <Hanmac> davidcelis it means rescue all stdErrors and return nil

15:39 <davidcelis> i know what it means

15:39 <davidcelis> and i shed manly tears whenever i see people rescue nil

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15:45 <banisterfiend`> swarley we have cool exception handling stuff in a new pry plugin, check out pry-rescue

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15:47 <swarley> kk

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16:07 <cainus> hey all... can anyone tell me if there's a way to build windows/mac installers for ruby apps?

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16:13 <swarley> cainus, what are you trying to install?

16:13 <cainus> swarley: an app I haven't written yet

16:13 <swarley> Well, are you trying to put it in program files?

16:14 <cainus> say what?

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16:15 <cainus> I'm just looking for a way to take a ruby app and make installers for it, for both platforms

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16:15 <banisterfiend`> cainus look into releasey

16:15 <banisterfiend`> Spooner ping

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16:16 <cainus> looks reasonable, banisterfiend`

16:17 <cainus> thanks

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16:31 <swarley> i wish rb to exe type applications would work for me, just once

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16:47 <Spooner> bananagram : Hi - oh, releasy.

16:48 <bananagram> hi

16:48 <Spooner> oops banisterfiend` cainus swarley Yeah, I'm the one to bug about Releasy. Still a little flakey, but compared to not being able to make exes (except on Windows for Windows), a big step forward.

16:49 <fowl> cainus: google up Ocra

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16:49 <fowl> o yea releasy use that

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16:49 <cainus> Spooner: so you *can* create exes for windows?

16:49 <Spooner> fowl Ocra only allows building Windows exe on a Windows system, but it does it well. Releasy uses Ocra for that, but also allows a lot more options.

16:50 <cainus> and does it do mac apps too?

16:50 <fowl> cainus: its more like packing the interpreter and your scripts into an exe

16:50 <fowl> than compiling

16:51 <cainus> that's okay too

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16:51 <Spooner> cainus : Yes, you have always been able to, but the way to do it has changed over the years as Ruby changes and the methods don't.

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16:51 <Spooner> Yes, Releasy does OSX too.

16:51 <yeshi> hey

16:51 <Spooner> Creates an .app specifically (and you can build OSX and Windows exe on any of the 3 OSes).

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16:52 <Spooner> If only I could get around to making it work more reliably and be better documented, it would be brilliant :$

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16:53 <cainus> sounds like it's worth a shot anyway... thanks Spooner

16:53 <Spooner> banisterfiend` : Thanks for the referal :)

16:54 <Spooner> I';m here if it doesn't work. Usually something simple goes wrong with it, but easy to fix (poor docs are my fault).

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16:54 <cainus> ha okay cool... thanks :)

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16:56 <Spooner> Too busy playing FTL! Much more fun than writing docs (of course, last week, I had a different excuse).

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16:59 <banisterfiend`> Spooner what is FTL

16:59 <Spooner> banisterfiend` : http://www.ftlgame.com/

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17:01 <seanstickle> Dang.

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17:01 <seanstickle> I was expecting so much more.

17:01 <seanstickle> There's no actual FTL gameplay elements

17:01 <Spooner> Huh?

17:02 <seanstickle> It looks to take place in Newtonian spacetime.

17:02 <Spooner> Oh, right, yes, the FTL name is just that you jump between systems (a lot).

17:02 <davidcelis> galilean-newtonian

17:02 <davidcelis> FTFY

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17:03 <seanstickle> davidcelis: explicate the difference

17:03 <davidcelis> eight letters and a hyphen

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17:39 <austinbv> do people commit their rvmrc files

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17:42 <ryanf> no

17:42 <austinbv> didn't think so

17:42 <ryanf> well, maybe some people do. but it's a bad idea since people probably want to use different gemsets

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17:54 <deryl> actually committing the rvmrc files is encouraged. people have to 'ok' the gemset in the first place and they can edit the rvmrc before accepting it

17:55 <deryl> the rvmrc is committed with the project so others can either configure a mirror image of the environment the project originator was using, or change it as needed.

17:55 <deryl> once changed they can rvm rvmrc trust .

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17:56 <austinbv> fair enough

17:56 <austinbv> but all they need to do is create and use a gemset

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17:57 <deryl> right. rvm rvmrc trust . && cd . will do all of that and put them into the gemset. since the rvmrc contains both the ruby version and the gemset name used under that ruby, use of the rvmrc makes it trivially easy to do what i mentioned.

17:57 <deryl> does more than just make a gemset for rvm users

17:58 <deryl> however, the choice to include the rvmrc or not is up to the users themselves

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18:13 <ineb_> hello, i am still struggling with ruby/rails installation. iam on a system as user (not root) so i installed 1.9.2-p290 from source. besides that the server has ruby installed via package for some other things. i want to use rails. can someone guide me how i can install rails gem now? i did "gem install rails". this created a ~/.gem/ruby/1.9.1/bin/ dir with rails in it. i added this to $PATH but running "rails new foo" asks for root password

18:14 <ineb_> saying "Sorry, user king is not allowed to execute '/bin/mv /home/king/.bundler/tmp/2285/cache/rake-0.9.2.2.gem /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/cache/rake-0.9.2.2.gem' as root on core."

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18:15 <ineb_> should i install rails on another way?

18:15 <TheMoonMaster> ineb_: You should be installing Ruby with rvm or rbenv.

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18:15 <ineb_> i used rbenv, downloaded ruby and compiled it

18:15 <ineb_> i have a ~/.rbenv

18:16 <TheMoonMaster> What OS and version?

18:16 <davidcelis> ineb_: `which gem`

18:16 <ineb_> davidcelis: points to /home/king/.rbenv/shims/gem

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18:16 <ineb_> TheMoonMaster: archlinux 3.5.3-1-ARCH

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18:19 <tkms> Alright. This may be an inappropriate place to ask this, but searching their site isn't giving me answers (or I don't understand them because I'm not a coder). Can someone explain this service to me like I'm 5? --> http://travis-ci.org/

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18:20 <tkms> I submitted a pull request on github that just made style edits and grammar fixes to documentation. The build on Travis CI showed as failed, and when I skimmed the log, it looked like it was failing on things I hadn't even touched. I'm really confused, but understanding what Travis CI is would be a step forward in my research of the problem.

18:20 <ineb_> davidcelis: btw. i added this dir manually to path, normally gem would point to an systemwide binary

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18:20 <davidcelis> right, that's why i asked

18:21 <davidcelis> to see if you accidentally appended to PATH rather than prepending

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18:21 <boris317> tkms: travis is a hosted continuous integration service

18:21 <tkms> Well I read that much.

18:22 <boris317> it basically continuously builds a project

18:22 <boris317> to make sure it passes all the tests

18:22 <boris317> and the project is "green" e.g not broken

18:22 <tkms> My confusion comes in at the part where my documentation fixes made the tests come up red.

18:23 <tkms> I didn't change anything else, and the errors it's giving are completely unrelated as far as I can tell.

18:23 <ineb_> davidcelis: iam wondering why the .gem path is something like ~/.gem/ruby/1.9.1/ with version 1.9.1. systemwide ruby is 1.9.3p194 and my localone is 1.9.2-p290

18:23 <tkms> But eh... alright.

18:23 <ineb_> anyway iam struggling since yersterday, maybe i messed things up and need to start fresh

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18:35 <ineb_> davidcelis: where should gems with rbenv resides?

18:36 <ineb_> question to all :D

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18:36 <davidcelis> mine go to ~/.rbenv/versions/<version>/lib/ruby/gems/1.9.1/gems/

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18:38 <shevy> ack

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18:38 <ineb_> makes sense

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18:39 <davidcelis> shevy: agreed, man. better than grep

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18:39 <tkms> Alright, so can someone explain to me how the changes made here: http://travis-ci.org/#!/ruby/ruby/jobs/2466294 Can cause the build to fail in Travis?

18:40 <tkms> The commit is linked there.

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18:40 <tkms> It's just a couple things that annoyed me when reading the manpage.

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18:41 <fowl> tkms: do you not see the make errors?

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18:43 <tkms> fowl: beginning at line 638?

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18:44 <fowl> yeah

18:44 <fowl> there is a whole log and you're asking why its not building

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18:46 <tkms> I'm asking why changing documentation would cause the build to fail. Forgive me for not being savvy, and I'm willing to learn and have my mistakes publicly punished, but I don't understand how the grammar fixes I made would cause those errors.

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18:47 <rking> tkms: I don't see that being a docs commit.

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18:48 <rking> Oh, oops, I was misusing Travis. I clicked on the "current" link and followed that commit diff.

18:48 <tkms> Ah, I'm glad, that got me *very* confused.

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18:48 <tkms> https://github.com/ruby/ruby/commit/5526c5c981dcc2d26c497f8d725ce334450a9b13

18:48 <tkms> That's the commit.

18:49 <rking> tkms: Are you sure this was the first commit that caused a failure?

18:49 <tkms> I'm not sure, actually. I suppose I would assume it was working when I forked it.

18:49 <tkms> But maybe not.

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18:50 <shevy> heya banseljaj

18:51 <banseljaj> shevy!!!

18:51 <banseljaj> hai!

18:51 <shevy> :)

18:51 <tkms> rking: Looks like there was a previous commit that was failing on the same errors.

18:51 <tkms> Alright.

18:52 <rking> Yeah

18:52 <shevy> rking for president!

18:52 <tkms> Well all this is utter noobishness on my end. I was just trying to be nice.

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19:11 <belak> Anyone know of any good gems for parsing pdfs?

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19:13 <shevy> belak hmm parsing only? try prawn perhaps

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19:14 <shevy> http://prawn.majesticseacreature.com/ though... wonder if it is only for writing hmm

19:14 <belak> Looks like it is only writing

19:15 <shevy> hmm

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19:18 <zipkid> Test::Unit, minitest or Rspec ?

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19:19 <austinbv> is it normal that IO#getc/#gets/#readchar block

19:20 <austinbv> shouldnt they just return a char

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19:34 <TTilus> zipkid: depends, what ur upto?

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19:34 <zipkid> TTilus: Just finding out twhat the 'best' way is to test... Reading 'Beginnin Ruby'...

19:34 <TTilus> zipkid: :)

19:35 <Gate> zipkid: that is a pseudoreligious argument. The short answer is that they all work.

19:35 <Gate> I prefer rspec, because it makes extremely expressive tests

19:35 <zipkid> Gate: i believe you... is one mor suited for some kind of project?

19:35 <TTilus> zipkid: do YOU have any requirements?

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19:36 <zipkid> TTilus: None for my own. But The Puppet project seems to be all about Rspec ...

19:36 <havenn> zipkid: I like minitest, which comes with 1.9 and 2.0 out-of-the-box: https://github.com/seattlerb/minitest

19:36 <Gate> zipkid: honestly, I haven't used minitest, and I don't like the way test::unit tests are built, I like how rspec works.

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19:36 <Gate> right, there is a serious advantage to having minitest in ruby core, so you don't need one more big gem

19:37 <TTilus> zipkid: pick unit if you dont want extra deps, rspec if you are deep into bdd and stuff and minitest to balance between those

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19:37 <zipkid> I'm learning Ruby primarily because i'll be taking the Puppet Developer course in Nov. But i might be using Ruby for other projects too...

19:37 <Gate> well put

19:37 <Gate> zipkid: the philosophy of tdd is far more important than the tool you use.

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19:38 <zipkid> Gate, i guess rspec makes more sense to learn as i'll be able to use it more in combination with Puppet.

19:39 <Gate> it would probably make your life easier, if thats what you are starting with.

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19:39 <zipkid> My question was also to discover if any had been 'deprecated' or found flawed... aparently not. :-)

19:39 <havenn> zipkid: Or learn the minitest specs syntax, which pretty much looks like rspec.

19:39 <Gate> nope. the Ruby community is fickle, minitest is the newest hotness, rspec was before that, and test::unit before that

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19:40 <zipkid> ok, thanks all.

19:40 <Gate> zipkid: if you intend to learn rails, Test::Unit ships with rails by default. I still use rspec with Rails, though.

19:40 <Gate> so yeah, they are all still actively maintained

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19:41 <havenn> zipkid: Just don't use testing tools named after vegetables, and you'll be good.

19:41 <Gate> heh

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19:43 <zipkid> havenn: onion?

19:44 <Gate> zipkid: he means cucumber

19:44 <zipkid> Gate: i know :-)

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19:44 <Gate> k

19:45 <zipkid> Jordan Sissel gave his introductory presentation about Cucumber at the first Devopsdays back in 2009 :-)

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19:56 <zipkid> Hmm... or who was it...

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19:58 <davidcelis> an onion is a bulb

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19:59 <shevy> lol

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20:28 <nicoulaj> Sorry for the newbie question... I'm trying to get vagrant and veewee to work, I installed them with "gem install veewee vagrant bundler", but when I do a "bundle exec vagrant", I get a "Could not locate Gemfile"...

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20:29 <nicoulaj> If I invoke "vagrant" directly, it works but it's missing the "basebox" subcommand provided by veewee, so I guess it's not the right way

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20:37 <shevy> I think the criminals who write bundler are on #bundler and can help more. most people here are quite bundler noobs and dont know that much about it (with a very few exceptions)

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20:38 <nicoulaj> thanks. I see the ruby is as fun as the Java one :)

20:38 <nicoulaj> the ruby community*

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20:40 <havenn> nicoulaj: You may be confused. This is #ruby, the American documentary style reality television series called Ruby on the Style Network

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20:40 <havenn> nicoulaj: You probably want #ruby-lang

20:41 <havenn> nicoulaj: Though Ruby's weight-loss story is inspirational.

20:41 <yxhuvud> also, only anecdotal

20:41 <atmosx> cool I found up and down on weechat

20:41 <atmosx> weehee

20:41 <atmosx> weight-loss story?

20:41 <atmosx> was ruby fat?

20:42 <havenn> atmosx: Yeah, very. Fat and southern. And Style isn't renewing the 5th season!!!

20:42 <fowl> havenn: why do you suggest #ruby-lang, that channel sucks

20:42 <havenn> fowl: I jest.

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20:42 <havenn> fowl: I just read JAVA, and my eyes filled with that black gooky stuff...

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20:43 <atmosx> java...

20:43 <atmosx> buggy staff

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20:44 <atmosx> stuff or staff

20:44 <Hanmac> there is also an html extension called ruby :P

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20:45 <havenn> If a single '#' means the official channel, one of us must not be Ruby!

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20:47 <Hanmac> havenn ... there is a ##ruby channel oO but it keeps talking about "Stable is: 1.9.2-p320." oO

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20:48 <havenn> Hanmac: #ruby-lang updated it yesterday I think to 1.9.3, so they are ahead of ##ruby by a bit >.>

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20:49 <havenn> But they are lazy, so no p###.

20:49 <havenn> p194*

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21:06 <shevy> hmm

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21:11 <matti> Hmm

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21:16 <Gate> hrm

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21:19 <shevy> matti!

21:19 <shevy> let's think about ruby

21:19 <shevy> I want to do something useful and crazy with lambda {} but I don't know what

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21:21 <matti> LOL

21:21 <matti> Don't do anything then.

21:21 <matti> Relax and enjoy Sunday.

21:21 <matti> ;]

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21:26 <shevy> I cant :(

21:26 <shevy> too much things todo and I have to sleep soon THERE IS NO TIME

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21:27 <atmosx> shevy: have a laugh http://stackoverflow.com/questions/184618/what-is-the-best-comment-in-source-code-you-have-ever-encountered

21:27 <v1n3> hello rubyland!

21:27 <atmosx> I love the 4 paragraphs the guy wrote for PSD, are wesome

21:27 <atmosx> v1n3: u??

21:28 <shevy> lol atmosx

21:28 <shevy> the first comment... "I say this: never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down"

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21:28 <shevy> that's rick roll right? before youtube days haha

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21:28 <v1n3> I've just discovered 1.9's Process.daemon functionality and I was wondering anyone had a sure fire way to control this new ruby daemon w/ /etc/init.d/

21:28 <atmosx> shevy: yes hahahahahahahah that's awesome too! hahahahahhaha

21:28 <shevy> oh wait... his name is "Rick Astley" not "Rick Roll" lol

21:28 <v1n3> Not my area of expertise and I want it to work out of the gate.

21:28 <atmosx> the blonde guy, dancing... on MTV

21:29 <shevy> atmosx yeah, it would be nice to also find the date of those comments

21:29 <shevy> like a comment in 1969 is surely more awesome than in 1991

21:29 <atmosx> Programmers most have an avg IQ above other human beings, except maybe mathematicians

21:29 <atmosx> yeah whatever, I just remember his face :-P

21:30 <atmosx> and the gay-song

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21:30 <shevy> the IQ does not say that much really

21:30 <matti> v1n3: init scripts are separate from making any process a daemon.

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21:31 <matti> v1n3: You can make your process trap SIGINT, SIGTERM and act on the appropriately.

21:31 <v1n3> matti: this is the input i'm looking for

21:31 <shevy> haha this is hilarious...

21:31 <shevy> / private instance variable for storing age

21:31 <shevy> public static int age;

21:31 <shevy> when comments completely contradict the code

21:31 <matti> v1n3: Then you write your init scripts to send signals, kill things etc.

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21:32 <v1n3> This is what I have so far..

21:32 <v1n3> ...Process.daemon

21:32 <v1n3> ...

21:32 <v1n3> File.open("/tmp/awesome.pid", 'w') {|f| f.write(Process.pid) }

21:32 <v1n3> loop do

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21:33 <atmosx> long long ago; /* in a galaxy far far away */

21:33 <atmosx> ahahahaha awesome

21:33 <matti> Hahaha

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21:35 <atmosx> double penetration; // ouch <---

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21:35 <atmosx> doRun.run(); // ... "a doo run run".

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21:38 <atmosx> /* Please work */ LOL ... I'll use that next time, I know the feeling

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21:39 <shevy> hehe

21:41 <v1n3> is there a good template for ruby 1.9 daemons for catching signals etc?

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21:44 <atmosx> v1n3: hmmm not really but I was reading a post on stack overflow about this

21:45 <atmosx> when you say deamons, you mean start/stop ruby programs? like event-machine?

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21:45 <v1n3> not even as complex as em

21:45 <v1n3> just simple loops

21:46 <v1n3> I'm looking at this now http://railscasts.com/episodes/129-custom-daemon

21:46 <v1n3> and I'm ignoring all the pre 1.9 "daemon generator" stuff

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21:53 <atmosx> v1n3: I didn't directly used EM, but judging from the examples saw on tweetstream gem, it's not hard to work with

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22:24 <voodoofish> is there a specific command that I can use to update gems without keeping older versions?

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22:28 <karstensrage> does a ruby class initializer call its superclass's initializer automatically or do you have to call super?

22:29 <fowl> karstensrage: ruby is explicit over implicit

22:29 <karstensrage> so you have to call it yourself?

22:29 <fowl> yea

22:29 <karstensrage> k

22:29 <canton7> karstensrage, if you don't define initialize, then the parent's initialize gets called. if you do define it, use super

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22:42 <shevy> karstensrage one reason why you need to use super is because that way you also can specify what arguments you want to pass to the parent method

22:42 <shevy> i.e. "super" is not the same as "super(foo)" or "super()"

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22:52 <matti> shevy: I have to make a confession.

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22:52 <matti> shevy: I am playing with Scala whole evening ;/

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22:56 <shevy> :(

22:56 <shevy> ruby is dying

22:56 <davidcelis> kill yourself

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22:57 <shevy> I am alive and kicking ass

22:57 <shevy> matti I think I am going to learn python before end of 2012

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23:01 <matti> shevy: Nice ;]

23:01 <matti> shevy: Start today with this little tutorial: http://bash.org/?400459

23:01 <shevy> yeah

23:01 <shevy> I asked on #python whether someone wants to be my snake friend, but they ignore me :(

23:01 <shevy> I should re-ask in their native tongue

23:02 <matti> Yeah

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23:02 <matti> But be carefuk.

23:02 <matti> careful*

23:02 <matti> Its like with Chinese Mandarin.

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23:03 <matti> Wrong "SSSHH" will get you from "hello, how are you?" to "I want to eat your liver"

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23:23 <sabgenton> hey can't use RoR because bundle install doesn't seem to work on my non privileged account so I tried

23:23 <sabgenton> bundle install --path someware Could not locate Gemfile

23:24 <sabgenton> and got that error

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23:24 <sabgenton> can anyone give me some idea to set up the bundle command on my non privileged account?

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23:25 <reactormonk> sabgenton: go with rvm

23:27 <sabgenton> reactormonk: I just want to know if it's possible with what I got

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23:27 <sabgenton> with non privileged access

23:28 <sabgenton> reactormonk: possible?

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23:28 <austinbv> any one have experience working with io streams

23:28 <sabgenton> reactormonk: or do you have to be root if your not being rvm?

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23:28 <sabgenton> using rvm

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23:32 <austinbv> if so why does getc/gets block?

23:33 <austinbv> shouldnt it just return nil

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23:35 <fowl> austinbv: IO#select

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23:36 <karstensrage> hmm i guess this is to be expected, warden proxy seems to reinitialize on every single request

23:36 <fowl> austinbv: er IO.select

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23:38 <reactormonk> sabgenton: nah, should work with gem as well - do --user-install and the appropriate $PATH setup

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23:39 <sabgenton> reactormonk: so bundle --user-install

23:39 <sabgenton> ??

23:39 <austinbv> io#select will block too if the stream is not ready for writing or reading won't it?

23:39 <sabgenton> reactormonk: what needs to be in my path?

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23:40 <sabgenton> I have bundle and rails in path

23:40 <fowl> austinbv: thats what the timeout is for

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23:40 <reactormonk> sabgenton: gem --user-install

23:40 <sabgenton> ah

23:41 <sabgenton> do i have to install rails again under my user or anything?

23:41 <reactormonk> sabgenton: basically put gem: --user-install in your .gemrc

23:41 <reactormonk> sabgenton: I have no idea.

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23:41 <sabgenton> oh

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23:41 <sabgenton> so gem --user-install must be run every time the computer restarts?

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23:42 <sabgenton> if you need .gemrc

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23:42 <reactormonk> gem settings are stateless

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23:43 <reactormonk> you have to pass that every time you install something

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23:44 <sabgenton> ERROR: Invalid option: --user-install. See 'gem --help'.

23:44 <sabgenton> ruby -v ruby 1.8.7 (2011-02-18 patchlevel 334) [x86_64-linux]

23:44 <reactormonk> oh, you need 1.9 for that then. Can't help you

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23:53 <Lokans> hello, i got a question, im a total beginner though, but is there a way to set a value to all letters in the alphabet, instead of doing "a" = 1, "b" = 2 etc.. i know that u need to do it with ranges but i cant figure out how

23:53 <austinbv> fowl: ha thanks, serious brain fart

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