<yorickpeterse> brixen: https://github.com/YorickPeterse/ruby-ll/blob/master/ext/c/driver.c result of my weeks of hacking on LL
<yorickpeterse> and this is only about 20%
<yorickpeterse> I don't like C :<
<yorickpeterse> at least C99 lets me have arrays with a dynamicly defined size
<yorickpeterse> errr runtime defined size
<yorickpeterse> in theory this should get my parsing times down from ~3,5 seconds to ~2,4 seconds
<yorickpeterse> anyhow, I'm off
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<jc00ke> 'morning
<jc00ke> Which means it's too f'ing late for me
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<brixen> more happy Ruby programmers https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/7792
<yxhuvud> omg
<brixen> hm, this ticket from konstantin is confusing
<brixen> if string keys are not allowed, then it wouldn't work on MRI, so how is that causing an issue?
<brixen> in other words, it sounds like https://github.com/rkh/tool/issues/2 is saying, "code that won't work on MRI is working on Rubinius and that causes an issue"
<brixen> what?
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<GitHub139> [rubinius] sshao pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/YdiprA
<GitHub139> rubinius/master 00bce30 sshao: Implemented IO::open_with_cloexec...
<GitHub139> rubinius/master 94a7ce1 sshao: Added specs for CAPI function rb_cloexec_open
<GitHub139> rubinius/master aca45ee sshao: Implemented CAPI function rb_cloexec_open
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<brixen> ah I see
<brixen> "I want to mix passing hashes to this method and have Ruby disambiguate that with a completely hidden semantic"
<brixen> great
<yxhuvud> I agree that the code is really wonky, but it could be failure inducing to have different implementations behave differently in cases like this
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<brixen> of course
<brixen> it's just 1. MRI fucked this up, 2. people are writing terrible APIs
<brixen> the keyword args as defined my MRI are so fucked
<brixen> and as MRI adds keywords to core, they are making a huge mess
<brixen> methods taking positional args and keywords that mean the same thing
<brixen> or APIs like IO.popen, which has at least 40+ distinct possible signatures, many of them inscrutable in code
<brixen> is the first argument a String or Hash here? good luck finding out
<brixen> and the typical arguments given by MRI against fixing things have no consistency
<brixen> "it's too late, it would cause breakage" AND "it's friendlier for the developer" AND "we can't prioritize new devs over existing devs"
<brixen> that's about the null set there
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<travis-ci> rubinius/rubinius/master (aca45ee - sshao): http://travis-ci.org/rubinius/rubinius/builds/44592474: The build passed.
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<yorickpeterse> brixen: from what I gather Konstantin means that when you do **{"foo" => "bar"} the "foo" should _not_ be translated to a kwarg
<yorickpeterse> only when you use **{:foo => "bar"}
<brixen> I understand the issue, it's pretty clear in the specs
<brixen> def foo(x, **kw) ... end ; foo({"a" => "b"}) -> x = {"a" => "b"}
<brixen> an API like that is a big FU to a programmer
<brixen> foo(x) in code, what does that mean?
<brixen> the examples use literals, which may be more clear
<brixen> a lot of code will use references, and it won't be clear at all
<yorickpeterse> oh yeah, I do agree kwargs in their current state are an abomination
<yorickpeterse> I would've preferred to see it the way Python has it
<yorickpeterse> where every arg is a kwarg simply by doing some_method_call(some_arg = value)
<brixen> oh that's crazy talk!
<brixen> an existing example that is simple and clear?
<yorickpeterse> (concept wise, one could argue an assignment as an argument is odd, and conflicts with the current Ruby)
<brixen> changing = to : is not altering anything
<yorickpeterse> it would conflict since foo(bar = baz) is already valid Ruby
<headius> it avoids breaking local var decl
<brixen> the saddest thing is that Smalltalk has much better argument passing than anything Ruby/Perl came up with
<yorickpeterse> I guess we can create Ruby++...oh wait
<yorickpeterse> well, the technically correct name in that case would be Ruby-- since it would have less Rubby
<yxhuvud> how do smalltalk do?
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<headius> python kwargs can't mix positional and keyword in a given call, so going that way would break all exiting code that does foo('bar', baz => quux)
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<headius> decisions are not made in a vacuum, nor are they made without reason
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<GitHub39> [rubinius] joelparkerhenderson opened pull request #3247: Search for llvm-config on OSX using brew (master...configure-darwin-brew-llvm-config) http://git.io/s6Wopg
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