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<DocScrutinizer05>
not to support my employer, just my honest notion: PIA works great and is easy to set up.
<DocScrutinizer05>
120up,13down
<DocScrutinizer05>
for "Germany"
<DocScrutinizer05>
"easy to set up" - after you found the right website explaining how to import the VPN into KDE NetworkManager, for me
<DocScrutinizer05>
import, add user:pw, click AES-128(?) and "OK" - done
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<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: you work at PIA?
<whitequark>
also, 120 up 13 down is some really weird numbers
<whitequark>
sure you didn't put a zero where it shouldn't be or the opposite?
<wpwrak>
maybe he looks at it from the VPN's point of view ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05>
sorry, swap down <-> up
<whitequark>
ah that's better
<whitequark>
how's latency?
<DocScrutinizer05>
though a friend had a DSL where he actually could do that, literally. Swap down/up BW
<DocScrutinizer05>
38ms
<DocScrutinizer05>
and I guess that is the bottleneck
<whitequark>
that DSL sounds perfect for torrents, heh
<whitequark>
it's easy to see how this would work at modem level but I've never heard of ISPs actually offering the option
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, very unusual
<DocScrutinizer05>
he also could only switch once a day
<whitequark>
in hong kong there's now fiber to the home everywhere, even in rural areas (did you know hong kong is mostly mountains and villages by area, not those high-rises everyone thinks of?)
<whitequark>
the absolute worst cheapest plan that i've got is 300mbps symmetric
<whitequark>
they offer up to 10g down 2.5g up
<whitequark>
I cannot fathom what purpose could having 10gbps of bandwidth at one's home possibly serve
<whitequark>
last time I was downloading 30TB of archives, my hard drives bottomed out at around 180mbps, limited by random I/O
<wpwrak>
10 Gb sounds useful for people participating in the great distributed cultural heritage archival project, aka download every movie that appears on the usual torrent sites in the highest quality available
<whitequark>
wpwrak: like I said, you're now limited by, at least, hard drives
<whitequark>
you're also likely limited by the CPU consumed by verifying blocks, and by the I/O subsystem in the kernel, and by your torrent client, none of which are up to the task of handling even 300mbps (I looked!)
<whitequark>
you'll need something absurdly beefy like one of those multisocket xeon motherboards, dozens of 7200rpm hard drives with RAID...
<DocScrutinizer05>
whitequark: maybe that's exactly the point: when your local drives are "so slow", better get the data from the cloud
<whitequark>
... and then you'll just bottom out the upload bandwidth of everyone else in the torrent swarm
<whitequark>
singlehandedly and simultaneously
<whitequark>
I don't think you can actually achieve 10g down even if you're downloading the entire set of movies on rutracker.org
<DocScrutinizer05>
well, I usually do this already with my 400mb down cable
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: this = ?
<wpwrak>
then they feel weak and ask for faster uplinks -> $$$ for the isp. see, it's all a conspiracy :)
<whitequark>
oh it's not even that expensive
<DocScrutinizer05>
hit / exceed the upload BW of the speedtest and any otherservers
<whitequark>
I think their 2gbps plan is around 90 USD per month with commitment
<whitequark>
the 10gbps plan is "call us", I presume because they also want to know what the hell are you planning to do with it
<whitequark>
or even ask if you have the hardware to handle the bandwidth
<DocScrutinizer05>
I honestly wouldn't need those 400 down, I only got it for the associated 25 up
<whitequark>
back in Moscow when I needed a lot of DL bandwidth I actually simultaneously called two ISPs and got two uplinks
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<whitequark>
then... then I discovered that any old router just cannot handle doing NAT on more than around 80mbps
<DocScrutinizer05>
yeah, I got a real router here
<whitequark>
so I had to get an EdgeRouter Lite to actually utilize that bandwidth
<DocScrutinizer05>
ERpro8 :-)
<wpwrak>
the "call us" is probably for the marketing department: "please tell us what this could possibly be used for"
<DocScrutinizer05>
or 'please tell us what you're willing to pay for it'
<whitequark>
wpwrak: their marketing department already struggles with slower plans so that sounds about right
<whitequark>
for 2g they actually split it into two 1g uplinks
<whitequark>
so that you can watch IPTV on one and do low-latency gaming on another
<whitequark>
what happened to ToS?
<DocScrutinizer05>
LOL
<DocScrutinizer05>
my IPTV eats max 30Mb/s
<whitequark>
maybe they want you streaming movies in 4K or something
<whitequark>
though I'm not sure where would you even *find* movies in 4K
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: oh fun fact
<whitequark>
their IP backbone is only 4tbps
<whitequark>
so if 500 customers sign up for that 10gbps plan they can eat PCCW's entire connectivity
<wpwrak>
(4k) hmm, if you search for 2160p you should find some stuff
<whitequark>
wpwrak: oh they actually tell you how much it costs
<whitequark>
345 USD per month plus 230 USD installation fee
<whitequark>
and they connect your PC via a Thunderbolt LAN interface
<wpwrak>
eww. appletech
<whitequark>
I have a Thunderbolt 3 interface in my Dell XPS 13 9360
<whitequark>
I think it even works on Linux
<whitequark>
it's kind of amusing though
<whitequark>
my *previous* plan was ADSL with 8 Mbps down 1 Mbps up
<whitequark>
I imagine this ISP upgrades equipment once every 20 years, but when they do, they do it for 20 years in the future
<wpwrak>
my isp recently upgraded me to ~13 Mbps. good enough for what i do :)