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<DocScrutinizer05> opbolt: HEY! cool
<DocScrutinizer05> 0.8mm BHA pitch though, sounds a tad on the gigantic size
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<opbolt> DocScrutinizer05, if ya mean lots of smaller pins. then i remmber him explaining why. it was something to do with cost i belive. pcbs costs lots more and the chip it self was a lot more exspensive cus its hard to stamp them and error rates or something like that, its all in the mailing list
<opbolt> arm-netbook one
<opbolt> looks like the mailing list thread starts here and goes on for the next months :) http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/pipermail/arm-netbook/2017-November/thread.html
<opbolt> gives ya back story
<opbolt> this team in india have gov funding of millions to make floss cpu for day to day devices and the alike
<opbolt> lukes been chatting with them and helping them, it could be put in to eoma68 card to help ease transition to new risc arch.
<opbolt> reuse that laptop for example into risc one by swaping that cpu card ;) which would other wise be years to make yet another laptop just for this soc.
<opbolt> anyway, i don’t need to say all the pros, can know them
<opbolt> *ya
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<DocScrutinizer05> opbolt: (0.8mm) means the chip must be like 30x30mm
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<opbolt> ok
<opbolt> yea bigger and the tiny one in the nano note...
<opbolt> or gta
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<paul_boddie> About the RISC-V board mentioned before: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sifive/hifive-unleashed
<paul_boddie> A bit optimistic, but does anyone remember dealing with the LCD timings on the NanoNote?
<paul_boddie> I get an effect where it is like the display lines are wrapped by 9 pixels, and it's driving me a bit crazy.
<mth> could it be 8 pixels? that would happen if address lines are stuck for some reason
<mth> I mean, wrapping usually happens on powers of two
<paul_boddie> Yes, it's odd. But it really does look like 9 pixels.
<paul_boddie> It's like the line buffer in the LCD controller takes the data at the wrong time.
<paul_boddie> But it wraps around: it isn't short on data because I can see the first words/pixels appear at the end of the first display line.
<paul_boddie> I suppose it could be something weird with the L4/Fiasco stuff but I'm writing to an address with the correct alignment.
<paul_boddie> And I doubt that you could write to a page-aligned address through to a page-aligned physical address at an offset with some kind of 1280 byte wraparound.
<paul_boddie> Still, I could have messed up some configuration detail, I suppose.
<mth> sync polarity maybe? although I don't think it would manifest quite like that
<paul_boddie> The odd thing is that in debugging the kernel, I reused the framebuffer just fine, and even changing the address worked.
<paul_boddie> But in a user space task, whether I reinitialise the LCD controller or not, I get this alignment issue.
<paul_boddie> But I can't see how any kind of memory mapping would cause it unless there is some exotic/stupid stuff going on.
<mth> does the user space task use kms or fbdev?
<paul_boddie> How do I find out? I'm not familiar with the terminology.
<mth> running it under strace and see what device it opens and what ioctls it uses
<paul_boddie> This is a task running on top of Fiasco.OC.
<mth> ah, it's not Linux, then never mind
<paul_boddie> No, I thought those were Linux things, but then considered that they might be generic.
<mth> Fiasco probably has some kind of mode setting and frame buffer interface too, but I don't know anything about it other than the name
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<paul_boddie> Well, the interface I'm currently using is a straight view onto the video memory accessed by the SoC.
<mth> since Linux has both fbdev (legacy) and kms (modern), a bug in one driver and not the other could have explained why some use cases work and some do not
<paul_boddie> I guess you remember the whole DMA descriptor dance.
<paul_boddie> Actually, I was in the process of trying to get the L4Re framebuffer driver to work when I actually noticed this current problem. :-/
<mth> I implemented wait-for-vsync for JZ4740; had to do some trickery to make that work
<mth> I assume it use one DMA descriptor per frame? or is it per line?
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<paul_boddie> One per frame. Lines have to be word-aligned, but that isn't a factor here since I'm using 32bpp.
<mth> eh, actually it was the JZ4770 that wait-for-vsync was implemented for, but the LCD controller didn't change much
<paul_boddie> No, the documentation is still as helpful as it always was. :-/
<mth> does Fiasco have a proper interface for page flipping or does it use vertical panning like Linux fbdev does?
<mth> because if you do panning, then the first display line does not always start at a page boundary
<paul_boddie> The framebuffer driver? I don't think it has very much.
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<paul_boddie> Well, I'll inquire on the L4 mailing list and see if there's anything I've done wrong.
<paul_boddie> Thanks for brainstorming with me, though. :-)
<DocScrutinizer05> paul_boddie: wrong polarity (H/L) on some latch or clock?
<DocScrutinizer05> prolly HSYNC?
<DocScrutinizer05> e.h. HSYNC meant to go high with first pixel of a line, but in fact it goes low, and went high on last pixel of previous line already
<DocScrutinizer05> makes sense?
<paul_boddie> I did wonder about that. I thought that HSYNC might have been occurring at the wrong time, but I failed to change it sensibly.
<paul_boddie> But two votes for sync polarity and maybe I have to check. ;-)
<DocScrutinizer05> scope HSYNC
<paul_boddie> Although I'm re-using code that works in other environments.
<DocScrutinizer05> compare to LCD controller specs
<paul_boddie> No scope! Yes, I should have one by now, really.
<DocScrutinizer05> DVM will do, average voltage
<paul_boddie> Indeed, the magic numbers in the sources I have started to make sense when reading the datasheet.
<DocScrutinizer05> you either get 99% of H or of L
<DocScrutinizer05> worst case use a LED with 50k series R
<paul_boddie> Now you're talking about debugging at my technological level!
<DocScrutinizer05> hehe, LED might not work, depending on level (1V8?)
<DocScrutinizer05> I debugged a whole Z80 sytsem this way
<paul_boddie> I'd have to open the thing up to do this, though, but really the issue is the LCM somehow getting incorrectly configured.
<DocScrutinizer05> umm yep
<paul_boddie> That is if the sync polarity is wrong.
<paul_boddie> Every now and again, I suspect that the NanoNote would almost have been more popular as a bare single-board computer.
<paul_boddie> And yet everyone now seems to want to duct-tape their Raspberry Pi to a screen to make pretend laptops.
<DocScrutinizer05> that Z80 system ran the ROM monitor code but failed weirdly on code I write to RAM. By applying the LED probe to address and data lines, I found two lines that always had same level and tracked that down to a tiny solder blob between two chip pins
<DocScrutinizer05> NASCOM-I
<paul_boddie> A few years before my time. I had an Acorn Electron, although it might have been an Acorn Atom had I been slightly older.
<paul_boddie> Although it's only recently that I've done any hardware stuff for it.
<paul_boddie> Some people have done some neat bus analysis tricks with these machines. Such stuff is a lot easier now.
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<paul_boddie> Well, I don't think it's the sync polarity. Reversing that just shifts the data by a cycle.
<paul_boddie> On the Giantplus panel in the NanoNote, that changes the colours because of the colour filter layout.
<paul_boddie> And interestingly, there's a grey pixel at the start, which seems to be what you get when the porches stray onto the picture.
<paul_boddie> But the 10th pixel is still the first one, with the ones preceding it at the other side of the screen.
<paul_boddie> I think you may have meant data enable, Doc, reading your description again.
<paul_boddie> Hmm. Imminent facepalm moment here...
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<paul_boddie> Yes, facepalm applied. Don't take shortcuts converting while loops to for loops. Sorry for the unnecessary brainstorming exercise everyone!
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<paul_boddie> At least I learned a bit about the LCM, though. And I do still wonder about stray pixels.
<paul_boddie> Now I can perhaps get on with trying to get the actual framebuffer driver working, which was what I had intended to be doing. :-/
* paul_boddie needs some rest now!
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