cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: PyPy, the flexible snake (IRC logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/pypy/ ) | use cffi for calling C | the secret reason for us trying to get PyPy users: to test the JIT well enough that we're somewhat confident about it
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<mattip> arigato: (for the logs) something has changed with own py3.5 tests
<mattip> they no longer segfault, rather now error, but only from test_translate onward
<mattip> and of course I cannot replicate on my machine
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<atomizer> my confusion yesterday was from using pypy
<atomizer> pypy3 6.0.0 compiled 0.0880 dlopen 0.0919
<atomizer> cpython 3.6.5 compiled 0.8180 dlopen 1.3187
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<atomizer> i know that microbenchmarks are not really a good test, but still
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<mattip> atomizer: are you surprised how slow dlopen is in cpython?
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<atomizer> no, i'm surprised that it isn't much slower. i was expecting something like 10x, instead its less than 2x
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<mattip> atomizer: which numbers lead you to conclude 2x? I am not sure what your comment from 20 minutes ago is showing
<atomizer> uhh thats calling 1e6 times a function from a c library from embedded module. first number in api mode, second from dlopen
<mattip> ahh, I see. api mode 0.8180, dlopen 1.3187, so a 1.5x difference
<atomizer> basically the point was to measure wrapper overhead
<atomizer> i'm just not sure whether its worth forcing people to compile the library (SDL) to be able to build my module
<LarstiQ> atomizer: you can ship wheels
<atomizer> well yeah distribution is binary, it's embedded for a specific app after all
<atomizer> i meant if someone would want to build it
<mattip> they can link with sdl, not build it from scratch
<atomizer> ah, right.
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<kenaan> mattip unicode-utf8-py3 dbc314aacc0a /pypy/tool/pytest/objspace.py: add utf8_w to TinyObjSpace
<kenaan> mattip unicode-utf8-py3 5061432f841e /testrunner/runner.py: print contents of local machine_config file
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/6928 [mattip: force build, unicode-utf8-py3]
<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/6928 [mattip: force build, unicode-utf8-py3]
<kenaan> mattip unicode-utf8-py3 f372c8123f51 /testrunner/runner.py: typo
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<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/6929 [mattip: force build, unicode-utf8-py3]
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/6929 [mattip: force build, unicode-utf8-py3]
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<kenaan> mattip unicode-utf8-py3 3a519921c44f /: backout 5061432f841e, add debug print around __valuedict
<bbot2> Started: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/6930 [mattip: force build, unicode-utf8-py3]
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<the_rat> Does some_bytestring.decode('utf-8') always involve a copy?
<cfbolz> the_rat: right now yes, but in the future this might become copy-free for ascii strings
<the_rat> Oh cool :)
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<arigato> the_rat, cfbolz: I think the goal is to have it copy-free for most strings, not just ascii
<cfbolz> ah, right
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<bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-x86-64/builds/6930 [mattip: force build, unicode-utf8-py3]
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