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<ohir>
TwoNotes: [be taken as a criticism of the early documentation]
<ohir>
TwoNotes: I'd takie it straight
<ohir>
TwoNotes: I am seeing 'too much cognitive load' stanza by students given bitops tasks ;)
<ohir>
mcguire: [golang/no one threw a lot of features into it]
<jemc>
Pony's ref caps are a steep learning curve, but once you've got a good handle on them, they really are quite expressive and match your thought patterns
<ohir>
mcguire: their main effort was to strip go to pl bare bones, imo. To good effect.\
<jemc>
I'd be suggest that a lot of people saying too much cognitive load are really saying "I couldn't get a handle on this concept", and it's not necessarily an indication that veteran Pony programmers will be under more load (and thereby less productive)
<ohir>
jemc: yep :)
<ohir>
jemc: thou as a 'new kid in the block' pony should care more about CIOs/CFOs. Golang did and is catching because of that.
* ohir
is pondering about a 'explain caps to me' contest. To get a bunch of essays written by people of different backgrounds.
<ohir>
s/saps/pony caps/
<ohir>
similar to one I gave link to earlier
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<TwoNotes>
When I was first learning Erlang, it had new concepts to learn too. It was worth it getting through that. Joe Armstrong's book was a big help. He explained languages features by first describing a problem, then showing how Erlang could deal weith it
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<ohir>
TwoNotes: its good, its a way (one of ways) to get some people grasp caps
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<TwoNotes>
Its just a start. I want to show how each cap type is used.
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<TwoNotes>
Main problem is that Markdown does not provide for precise placement of images.
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<sylvanc>
nice, TwoNotes!
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<TwoNotes>
The arrow heads donote read/write permissions. The letters show cap types.
<TwoNotes>
Though I was thinking of also using color
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<darach>
TwoNotes: Nice! Almost reminds me of the Erlang diagram initiative that Torban and Jesper started. A visual notation would be very powerful, not just for ref caps, but especially for generics which takes longer to grok and master.
<mcguire>
TwoNotes, those are good illustrations.
<mcguire>
Excellent illustrations of the concepts.
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<TwoNotes>
Those were my first attempts, using InkScape. But I wanted to come up with a consistent set of graphic idiioms to convery the various concepts.
<TwoNotes>
*convey
<TwoNotes>
I have some more drawing done that are not yet incorporated in that document
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<TwoNotes>
People have different ways of learning. Some want abstract principles from which they infer the speciic cases. Other people prefer concrete examples form which they infer the principles. (Population is split about 50/50 on this)
<TwoNotes>
I like graphical explanations
<TwoNotes>
There is a test you can administer to determine which style opf learning an individual has, but authors of textbooks have to assume *both* types of people are reading
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<jemc>
yeah, as an individual who prefers abstract first, it can be really frustrating to try to parse text that only uses concrete examples
<jemc>
I imagine its equally frustrating the other way around
<SeanTAllen>
very much so
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