<Regenaxer>
Also to anybody else: My address is @abu:7fach.de :)
<Regenaxer>
As we discussed here yesterday, e-mail is not really a good medium
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<aw->
Regenaxer: why?
<aw->
hello
<beneroth>
hey aw-
<beneroth>
aw-, apparently he saw messages being dropped because of spamfilter interference or so
<Regenaxer>
Hi aw-, beneroth!
<beneroth>
Guten Morgen Regenaxer :)
<beneroth>
tomorrow pilcon?
<Regenaxer>
Yes, many people (also experienced) have problems with Delta
<Regenaxer>
yes, PilCon
<beneroth>
16 UTC, 1800 CET ?
<Regenaxer>
16 UTC, 17 CET :)
<beneroth>
I'll try to be there. realistic change this time *blush*
<beneroth>
ah right
<Regenaxer>
Good :)
<beneroth>
we're in normal time!
<Regenaxer>
right, fortunately
<tankf33der>
Regenaxer: sent you test over matrix.
<tankf33der>
@mpech:envs.net
<aw->
too bad for Delta, it looked promising despite the abuse of email infra hahaha
<beneroth>
I don't think this is to be considered "abuse".. it's just a bit higher frequency of messages, what else?
<beneroth>
email needs a complete re-implementation, but ain't gonna happen. similar to the IPv6 thing.
<aw->
it's abuse because email wasnt designed for that purpose and is in no way a "generic" enough protocol for doing what Delta does
<beneroth>
email was designed for messaging on trusted networks between trusted participants. so most usage is abuse these days?
<aw->
haha yeah, put that way
<aw->
or better yet: "email is abuse"
<aw->
there
<beneroth>
yeah
<beneroth>
snailmail would also take out much stress and much unnecessary bullshit out of office work
<aw->
hey did you see that PilOS on arm64 screenshot?
<beneroth>
ofc
<aw->
it looks amazing
<beneroth>
aye
<beneroth>
Seteeri is awesome
<beneroth>
now we just need someone stupid enough to want to a TCP implementation, and clever enough to be able to do it
<beneroth>
*to be willing to do a TCP implementation
<Regenaxer>
tankf33der, I see your invitation
<Regenaxer>
But it hangs
<Regenaxer>
does not connect
<Regenaxer>
I sent one to you now
<Regenaxer>
Perfect! Works :)
<tankf33der>
removing delta chat to you then.
<Regenaxer>
yes, good
<Regenaxer>
I think I persuaded all my active Delta contacts to Matrix now
<Regenaxer>
BTW, I use my own matrix server on 7fach.de, and it works fine behind httpGate!
<Regenaxer>
No need for ngnix
<beneroth>
nginx is only needed if you either: want its advanced caching benefits (e.g. when serving many static resources)
<beneroth>
or when you don't trust the webserver implementation (e.g. of the matrix server) and want something at the front validating the http request
<Regenaxer>
I see, makes sense
<beneroth>
so probably you could even leave httpGate away, if you don't need the port delegation it does ;-)
<Regenaxer>
No, it is needed
<beneroth>
I know
<Regenaxer>
I use matrix-synapse plus turnserver
<Regenaxer>
(for VoIP)
<beneroth>
how is the VoIP ? could it be an alternative to jitsi (leaving aside the no-installation-required aspect of jitsi) ?
<Regenaxer>
The Element app supports both just voice and video
<Regenaxer>
It seems to do its own video
<Regenaxer>
but for a group it starts jitsi
<Regenaxer>
and invites all members
<Regenaxer>
Quality seems very good
<Regenaxer>
I phoned and videod with daughter in Tokyo
<beneroth>
I see, sounds smart
<Regenaxer>
Matrix needs port 443 forwarded to 8008 (for clients) and open 8448 by itself for federation
<Regenaxer>
turnserve needs several TCP and UDP ports
<Regenaxer>
s/open/opens
<Regenaxer>
s/turnserve/turnserver
<beneroth>
yeah jitsi server also has a turnserver
<Regenaxer>
ok
<Regenaxer>
Needed for NATs
<beneroth>
afaik also when more people are in the same conference, instead of handling it all P2P
<Regenaxer>
I see
<beneroth>
seems P2P becomes to unreliable then often enough, not only because of NATs
<beneroth>
I don't know if that is true, but afaik that is the reason for turnserver
<beneroth>
Ah, now I rember why I'm not using matrix already
<beneroth>
the standard desktop app is based on Electron
<Regenaxer>
As I understand it, turnserver replaces P2P
<beneroth>
T
<Regenaxer>
both clients connect to it through their NATs
<Regenaxer>
No idea if there are many clients in a conf
<beneroth>
many users, I mean
<beneroth>
afaik jitsi is P2P for like 2 people, but with more than 2 or 3 it starts to relay everything over the server
<Regenaxer>
ok
<beneroth>
because than each client/user only has a single connection to the central server instead of a connection for every other user
<beneroth>
which is a naive/simple version of P2P
<beneroth>
maybe more could be done with some users relaying streams for other users.. but then it becomes a distributed database problem kinda, needing to re-arrange the connections all the time
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<Regenaxer>
I did not try any web client for Matrix
<Regenaxer>
Mainly Element for Addreid
<Regenaxer>
but also FluffyChat which is nice and simple but looks a bit early
<beneroth>
I meant the Element desktop app
<Regenaxer>
Ah, not browser-based
<beneroth>
Electron based, which is a framework/runtime to make pseudo-native applications in JS
<Regenaxer>
yeah
<beneroth>
gains a lot of traction. Microsoft uses it in their free IDE, and many popular chat software use it
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