08:05 <razzy> all is working. but. i have trouble dealing with results. if i (set) (adr (caadr a)) manually i am setting different expression than (set (caadr a) 8) . code here: https://ptpb.pw/ekUP explanation apreciated

09:37 <Nistur> mornin

09:37 <Regenaxer> Hi Nistur

09:39 <Nistur> hulloo

10:00 <beneroth> hi Nistur

10:00 <beneroth> Hi Regenaxer

10:01 <Nistur> o/

10:04 <Regenaxer> Hi beneroth

10:38 <razzy> good morning :]

17:25 <razzy> you do not have to answer. i have trouble working with $num adresses. todays work is in repl and commented. solved issues were removed. https://ptpb.pw/p17b . my work is exploring possibility of datastructure skip-list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_list .# I was also looking at simul.l to learn adressing with (make) function, no luck so far. # idx should be also close, but in asm, no luck there.

17:29 <Regenaxer> You should never ever have to use 'adr'

19:00 <razzy> i was hoping for more input. can i make exploratory skiplist from function (make) ?

19:02 <Regenaxer> Why not?

19:02 <Regenaxer> I can't help, I have not considered skiplists

19:04 <Regenaxer> But anyway I feel that you misunderstand the mechanics of cells completely

19:05 <Regenaxer> When you ask whether "deep lists" can be modified

19:05 <Regenaxer> This is like asking whether you can multiply with 3

19:06 <Regenaxer> Please first read doc/ref.html and perhaps look into doc64/structures

19:22 <razzy> Regenaxer: i agree with you, that "deep-list" modification is like multiply with 3. i mean no offence. i was able to reliably modify "deep-list) only with (set (cd*r *var*) num) and it took me long time to find. so in desperation i thought picolisp does not support multiplication by 3.

19:22 <Regenaxer> ok

19:23 <razzy> i agree that (adr) should be scarcely used, because it makes program vulnerable to horrible bugs.

19:23 <Regenaxer> btw, you should check 'nth' if you have really nested structures. But I don't think that in praxis big, deeply nested structures are common

19:24 <Regenaxer> 'adr' is not needed for applications

19:24 <Regenaxer> It is a system tool

19:24 <Regenaxer> It does nothing useful for an application

19:26 <razzy> with picolisp lack of checks and bariers, adr is not for everyday use

19:28 <razzy> to be fair, i have big holes in knowledge and repeated reference reads still brings me value .

19:29 <Regenaxer> As an example for 'nth', look here:

19:29 <Regenaxer> https://rosettacode.org/wiki/Bitmap/Flood_fill#PicoLisp

19:29 <Regenaxer> eg the line (set (nth Ppm Y X) Color)

19:29 <Regenaxer> There are many such examples in rosetta

19:29 <Regenaxer> you should study them

19:32 <Regenaxer> (not that a bitmap in lists makes real sense)

19:34 <razzy> i have put my questions in https://ptpb.pw/p17b some of them are sure basics. if you answer some, it would help me. should light-up my knowledge-holes.

19:35 <Regenaxer> No. I looked at it, and it is a horror

19:35 <Regenaxer> Forget 'adr'!!

19:36 <razzy> too unreadable? too much adr?

19:37 <razzy> did form horrified you? or meaning

19:37 <razzy> i can work on form

20:41 <razzy> btw, i was not able to make (set (ca*r *var*) num ) work which put a little problem to usability of deep lists. it is described in my webpaste

21:13 <beneroth> stop trying to do C Pointer-Arithmetic in Lisp...

21:13 <beneroth> keep it simple

21:15 <beneroth> work with symbols and their properties instead of needlessly complicated custom data structures based on complex list structures

21:21 <razzy> i could do list of anonymous symbols. neat, thx

21:21 <razzy> maybe expensive