<beneroth>
nice short wiki entry. see the section "Controversy", very fitting and telling about such systems
<mtsd>
Indeed
<beneroth>
In dubio pro reo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_dubio_pro_reo) is dying, because of automation and imprecise laws against complex circumstances. arbitrariness and despotism are coming back. 200-300 years was a short period.
<beneroth>
:(
<mtsd>
Strange how technical progress is making humanity go backwards, in a way
<mtsd>
We seem to trust the machines we create more than ourselves
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<xificurC>
accidents and bugs happen. That doesn't mean the system is trying to kill us. If we were to turn off all computers where would we be right now?
<mtsd>
Isn't the problem that computers and software is getting too big, too complicated?
<mtsd>
As long as systems are not sentient, they are not TRYING to do anything.
<beneroth>
yeah. that and too few fail-safes. Horrible failures might become less (quantitatively), but more devastating (qualitatively), especially when we plug more and more together.
<mtsd>
We just tend to trust when the computer "says" and goes along with it
<xificurC>
I wouldn't mind a rebirth. But the last OS one was iOS and Android and that didn't go much better than our previous attempts
<xificurC>
a simpler hardware would be nice too
<beneroth>
it reached it goals for it makers.
<xificurC>
beneroth: I don't measure success that way
<xificurC>
their goals aren't yours, are they
<beneroth>
me neither, but that's the valuation in the selection/filter/cost function running at the core of those big slow AIs we call corporations
<beneroth>
the nail clipper AI problem.
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<sriram>
I am trying to add tracing to svg> to see what it does..../pil draw2Rects.l -"trace 'svg> '+PdfWin" + does not seem to work
<sriram>
also (trace 'svg> '+PdfWin) after connecting gives an error "svg> -- Can't trace"
<Regenaxer>
Hi sriram
<Regenaxer>
hmm, then the source is not loaded yet (?)
<Regenaxer>
does draw2Rects.l load everything?
<sriram>
Hi Regenaxer...I tried both ways ./pil -"trace 'svg> +PdfWin" draw2Rects.l + ...that gives the cant trace error right away