<beneroth>
(or if you believe into node.js.. I guess you don't when you're here ^^ )
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<beneroth>
Google is basically the group of people which can watch/view our computer & internet activity better (browser, social media buttons, website analytics, DNS, AMP articles, android, etc etc) than everyone else (including governments).. actually their core business is to stalk us better than anyone else and to sell this ability to the marketing guys...
<beneroth>
their statement is "trust us, we are good guys, and our moral values and standards are high enough that we would never abuse this insight in your lifes / power"
<beneroth>
so it is interesting how good their morales really is. and that really shows when they don't like someone and hold the power against them
<Regenaxer>
And most importantly if now liberal governments get autocratic in the future
* beneroth
just looked at the Google internal message board screenshots from the Damore vs Google lawsuit
<beneroth>
and because the technology becomes cheaper and cheaper
<beneroth>
I would say it is a related but separate from the issue that (pseudo-) "liberal" people (and the related "social justice warriors") claim tolerance for themselves (including on utter ridiculous issues) but behave absolutely anti-democratic and intolerant towards opposing views
<beneroth>
it's like the people think that their arguments are not good enough to convince people with other views
<beneroth>
so they fall back to blatant social and economic exclusion
<beneroth>
which doesn't solve anything
<beneroth>
only escalates the whole thing more and more
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, surely within my lifetime. probably within yours.
<Regenaxer>
T
<beneroth>
its really surprising how easily the people forget.
<beneroth>
half of germany was a police state when I was born and people now actively vote for such things which are worse
<beneroth>
this all will get ugly
<Regenaxer>
:(
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<beneroth>
+ climate change effects (probably rendering quite some settled land inhabitable) + still rising world population & resource availability problems increasing = nice receipt
<beneroth>
makes me think about the pessimistic answer to the Drake equation :(
<beneroth>
hi alexshendi \o/
<beneroth>
bbl
<Regenaxer>
T
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<cess11>
it will be about the same here as in China, India, our politicians will use every terrorism and otherwise criminal event to push for legislation and bigger investments in police, which basically is peace time paramilitary used on the own population
<cess11>
just a little slower
<Regenaxer>
exactly
<beneroth>
will? already is going on. for a few years now.
<beneroth>
9/11 - the terrorist have won.
<cess11>
because of this I've been thinking I might apply for work as a civilian analyst at the IT unit in the army, seemed like a fairly safe place to be, but I might have gotten lucky the last few days and found similar work in the private sector. will see if they'll have me.
<beneroth>
cess11, I personally don't want to work for such an unit, nor a private surveillance company.
<beneroth>
the biggest protection we have is their incompetence. skilled people with ethics should stay away from them.
<rick42>
hehe T | <beneroth> the biggest protection we have is their incompetence
<rick42>
hi everyone
<rick42>
i've been working on Node.l based on previous discussion
<rick42>
jk lol :)
<beneroth>
rick42, well these scheme (skilled people mostly staying away from spying jobs) works pretty well so far in germany and switzerland
<rick42>
o/
<beneroth>
thanks to the hacker community
<beneroth>
\o
<Regenaxer>
Hi rick42!
<rick42>
hi Regenaxer! :)
<viaken>
beneroth: Only takes a few bad actors to ruin that, sadly.
<viaken>
Like most things, honestly.
<beneroth>
viaken, T
<beneroth>
viaken, but I see it also as opportunity cost: less good hackers for them, more good hackers for us (e.g. writting more secure software or even FOSS crypto)
<viaken>
True
* viaken
hasn't built the habit of T yet.
<beneroth>
My stand is: focus on defense. hacking requires software bugs. lets get rid of software bugs.
<rick42>
has anybody here used/heard of bspwm (window manager)? i've been using it since late yesterday. neat thingy. you configure it with a sh script that sends the running wm messages. so tweaking it is easy: on the command line, send a message to change one thing. no need for "reload my config file" (although you can do that). reminds me of working with dynamic langs at a repl.
<rick42>
so the configure file could be a pil script :D
<viaken>
rick42: Yeah, it's quite an interesting thing.
<beneroth>
oh sounds nice
<beneroth>
rick42, haven't heard of it
<viaken>
It's tiling, so if you're not used to that be forewarned.
<rick42>
yes by default. but there are scripts to make some windows always floating
<rick42>
in fact it's the best hybrid (float/tile) wm i've used so far
* beneroth
uses i3 (i3wm.org). also supports floating.
<beneroth>
"I personally could not live without tabbed containers, so i3 gets my vote."
<beneroth>
oh
<beneroth>
"i3 manages containers and each container can have more than one window inside it, the way you switch between them is either through vertical tabs or horizontal ones"
<beneroth>
yep
<beneroth>
I like it
<viaken>
A while back, I was looking at CLFSWM. It has an interesting tree-based window management system.
<viaken>
I was thinking I could keep a branch per-project. At the time, though, I needed something I could get comfortable with quickly, so I ended up with Xmonad.
<rick42>
viaken: i see the appeal of lisp-based wms right away. have a listener going and ready and tweak away, or slowly learn how the thing is constructed. very nice.
<cess11>
rick42: how does it compare to i3wm would you say?
<rick42>
you mean bspwm to i3? they are very similar. i like the config of bspwm of course better, but (agreeing with the reddit thing beneroth posted) there are things in i3 that are just setu pfor you ootb, especially the tabbed containers thing (which I believe you could hack up for bspwm but idk how long or involed it would be (the change)
<rick42>
i've used i3 before
<rick42>
so that's my basis for agreeing with those other people.
<rick42>
bspwm just seems fun and it's working just fine for me now. looking fwd to twaeking more
<cess11>
I see, thanks
<cess11>
will probably try it out
<rick42>
cess11: sorry i can't say anything more through now. i just need more time with it
<rick42>
thorough
<rick42>
also, i've been going kinda min for a year and a half now: dwm, spectrwm and cwm being the latest progression, so the "starkness" of my initial config of bspwm (which is the stock one / example scripts from the distro/package) does not bother me. if i needed more, i might be a bit put off :D
<rick42>
getting panels / status bars is going to take me some time
<beneroth>
i3wm has some out of the box. removable and customizable.
<beneroth>
well one status bar at the bottom, showing usually free storage space, network connectivity, battery, system load, date + time and program trail icons
<beneroth>
maybe I customized it to be so, can't remember. I think I didn't customize much.
<rick42>
beneroth: yeah that's cool. bspwm has a panel ootb but it is a script that relies on other programs which I have to learn about / install. i just need some time to warn into it.
<beneroth>
ah dependencies :P
<rick42>
beneroth: that's what i remembered too about i3
<rick42>
hehehe T
<rick42>
should be manageable though (unlike the node jenga tower of deps :)
<rick42>
advantage: you control what those deps are (at the end of the day) not bad
<beneroth>
you always control that, even when you choose to ignore it and just copy the big pile of mud of someone else :P
<beneroth>
hm..
<beneroth>
well ok, no you completely give away this control when using npm, you're right.
<beneroth>
read the link I posted first today :) its fun :)
<cess11>
rick42: yeah, minimalism is what keeps me from going to i3 today so bspwm looks like it could be a decent compromise
<beneroth>
btw. today is Knuths 80s birthday \o/
<rick42>
cess11: sounds good
<rick42>
beneroth: wow. "many years!" as we say in greece