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<companion_cube> rgrinberg: your suggestion of replacing makefile by a custom OCaml script is a nightmare
<companion_cube> I'm even having trouble having jbuilder build the script first -_-
<companion_cube> and the script is much longer than the makefile -_-
<companion_cube> well rgrinberg if you know how to have this build: https://github.com/c-cube/ocaml-containers/tree/no-qtest-makefile/qtest
<companion_cube> because I keep getting strange errors about make.bc not having a .ml file, or about run_qtest.o having several targets, or whatever
<companion_cube> been stuck like 45min, I give up
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<_xvilka__> hi
<pierpa> ho
<_xvilka__> I am doing dumb debug - checking the keys presence in Hashtbl. So I have code like this: Hashtbl.iter_keys tbl (fun k -> qwe := !qwe ^ k; ())
<_xvilka__> but it returns me an error: this expression is a type of string but expected to be 'a -> 'b -> 'c list
<_xvilka__> so I'm not sure where did it get this type from, looks very strange
<_xvilka__> where `let qwe = ref ""`
<pierpa> I can't find Hashtbl.iter_keys in the manual. That's a first problem.
<_xvilka__> pierpa: ah, forgot to mention it is Core.Hashtbl.iter_keys
<_xvilka__> Same error (expects 'a -> 'b) if I do: let qwe = Core.Hashtbl.fold ~init:"" (fun k v acc -> acc ^ k)
<_xvilka__> too bad ocaml doesn't have the feature to get the string name/signature of the type programmatically
<pierpa> what's the type of this iter_keys?
<companion_cube> _xvilka__: types simply don't exist at runtime
<companion_cube> so it's impossible to turn them into strings
<_xvilka__> companion_cube: yes, I know. I meant compiler can calculate them at compilation time
<_xvilka__> companion_cube: like Haskell does with its TemplateHaskell
<_xvilka__> pierpa: val iter_keys : ('a, 'b) Hashtbl.t -> f:('a -> unit) -> unit
<pierpa> _xvilka__: Looks tame :) then no clue, Sorry.
<pierpa> could the problem be in surrounding code that you have not shown us?
<_xvilka__> pierpa: it can be, yeah, this is why I try to get the contents of this hashtable. Too bad the program itself is very complex and abstract to just check the types with merlin
<lpollen> anyway, Hashtbl.mem will tell you if something is a hash table. in Core as well.
<pierpa> "Everyone knows that debugging is twice as hard as writing a program in the first place. So if you're as clever as you can be when you write it, how will you ever debug it?" B. Kernighan
<_xvilka__> lpollen: well, I know it is a hashtable, and I use mem/find. I just want to iterate and print all contents of it
<_xvilka__> pierpa: true
<lpollen> _xvilka__: try using a Hashtbl.iteri that prints out the k/v mappings directly.
<lpollen> Hashtbl.iteri x (fun ~key ~data -> printf "%s => %s\n" key data) f.e.
<_xvilka__> lpollen: well, error is still the same - it think key is not string
<_xvilka__> *thinks
<lpollen> the key's probably not a string then.
<_xvilka__> yeah, which is weird, because in program this table created with String.Table.create ()
<lpollen> I feel like Core has some kind of "turn anything to readable s-expressions" faculty that you might use, but I'm waiting for something like a book to come out that corresponds to the available code :)
<lpollen> well since you're confused already, maybe that confusion extends to how the Hashtbl you have was actualy created
<lpollen> let x = String.Table.create () ~size:4 in (Hashtbl.set x ~key:"hello" ~data:"there"; Hashtbl.set x ~key:"mon" ~data:"frere"; Hashtbl.iteri x (fun ~key ~data -> printf "%s -> %s\n" key data));;
<lpollen> outputs what you'd expect.
<_xvilka__> true, works flawlessly in utop
<lpollen> one thing you can do is find where you create the hash table and then immediately set a dummy string to a value. You can then take it back out if you want. The point is to fix the type of the hash table at that point, so whatever you go on to that's wrong will fail with a type error.
<lpollen> utop # String.Table.create () ~size:4;; - : '_weak2 String.Table.t = <abstr>
<lpollen> maybe it's more flexible than the name suggests.
<lpollen> no, actually that doesn't seem to be the case.
<_xvilka__> ah, good idea, will try
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<_xvilka__> lpollen: yeah, this was VERY helpful
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<_xvilka__> data is function, but the key is still string
<_xvilka__> so I'm really confused why my previous code wasn't working
<_xvilka__> lol, it was so stupid error
<_xvilka__> I just redefined (^) in this module
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<_xvilka__> no, my bad, this wasn't the cause
<_xvilka__> total madness /o\
<_xvilka__> but anyway solved it different way, thanks for the all help and the fish
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<rgrinberg> companion_cube: your issue is that you're defining 2 exe stanzas in 1 jbuild file but not specifying the modules explicitly
<rgrinberg> try adding (modules (run_qtest)) to the run_qtest exe and (modules (make)) for make
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<rgrinberg> Also, instead of ${exe:make.bc}, you really just want (action (run ./make.exe -target ${@}))
<rgrinberg> companion_cube: note that there's a similar problem when defining 2 libraries in 1 dir as well. You must tell dune which modules belong to which stanza...
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<orbifx[m]> Anyone here written or read anything about applying what they have leanred from OCaml to C? (i.e. making C more functional? :P)
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<octachron> Do you mean Rust?
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<dmbaturin> orbifx[m]: Look up Cyclone language. :)
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<orbifx[m]> thanks
<orbifx[m]> dmbaturin: have you used it?
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<orbifx[m]> Says it's not maintained :'(
<dmbaturin> orbifx[m]: No, I haven't. It's a research project that wasn't really meant for production use in its original form I suppose.
<orbifx[m]> Do you know if something took over? It mentioned Rust has elements of it.
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<dmbaturin> I think in a way, Cyclone was a precursor of Rust.
<dmbaturin> It's like Modula-2. ;)
<dmbaturin> (Reportedly, some soviet/russian aerospace projects did use Modula-2. That's the only real use of it I've heard of, even that is unconfirmed)
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<Drup> modula-3 has cool modules in it too
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<orbifx[m]> Cool. I wonder how good Rust's tools are for embedded
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<reynir> what cpu architectures does rust target? Anything other than x86?
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<Fardale> webassembly (I know it is not a cpu architectures)
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<orbifx[m]> Thanks reynir. Has anyone used ocaml in embedded systems? In particular flat memory models or places without an OS? (I know it's used on Mirage on top of a visor)
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<companion_cube> rgrinberg: ok, adding explicit modules fixes it
<companion_cube> but the error is super unclear
<companion_cube> and I'd rather say the name of the main, than the name of every module…
<companion_cube> oasis has `MainIs: foo.ml` iirc
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<Leonidas> What happened in kernel 2.6.18 that it is used as minimal version? I've seen that particular release a number of times
<companion_cube> must have been a LTS
<Leonidas> that's a less exciting explanation than I would have hoped for :-)
<companion_cube> I mean, maybe it was the last LTS before 3.*
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<Leonidas> ok. I thought maybe some syscall that is now used a lot and wasn't there in < 2.6.18
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<hdla> i want to install "coq-bignums" which is in coq's repositories. however, when I use OPAM, it forces me to install Coq, even though i already have it via my system's package manager. how can I tell OPAM to skip installing coq?
<reynir> hdla: I think it's possible to mark a package as installed, but it's Probably Not A Good Idea ™
<reynir> opam install --fake coq
<kakadu> installing coq via opam will be safer way to go
<kakadu> but if you use --fake you should fakeinstall at least the same version of coq that your system is
<hdla> okay, i'll try --fake and then start from scratch later when that doesn't work
<jpdeplaix> hdla: you can also edit manually the opam file (using « opam pin add -n coq-bignums [the latest version of coq-bignums] », then « opam pin edit coq-bignums »)
<hdla> kakadu: how do i specify the version?
<kakadu> `opam install coq.8.5` I think
<kakadu> using dot
<kakadu> The manual should be somewhere in the web
<hdla> i couldn't find it in the man page
<hdla> or, not easily :)
<hdla> anyway, installation of coq-bignums failed. for some reason, it tried to install something globally, even though i'm not root
<hdla> (the --fake install was successful, i used exactly the same versions as what's on the system)
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<hdla> installing coq via opam also failed. i get this output: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/YDev5UsQwvXgqMwH0HNr/
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<cheater> hi, could someone remind me what the [< ... ] syntax is called in ocaml?
<cheater> what's the name of this feature?
<Anarchos> cheater extensible variant ?
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<cheater> thanks :)
<Anarchos> cheater no idea, but it fits.
<cheater> i wish haskell had extensible variants. this is probably the most fun basic feature in ocaml that i could easily see myself using in haskell
<Drup> cheater: polymorphic variants
<Drup> (extensible variants are something else ...)
<Drup> I wouldn't call polymorphic variants "basic", though :)
<cheater> oh what are extensible variants?
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<cheater> i'm talking about how you can just write a type as [< `Foo | `Bar ] and that's it, that defines the type constructors, in the same spot a value's type is described. that's nice and elegant.
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<Anarchos> Drup sorry for the mistake
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<cheater> thank you Drup :)
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