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<etc> Hi - Is it possible to change the name of a file's module so it doesn't match the file?
<flux> no
<flux> well, I suppose it might be to produce a file with different name with ocamlc -o
<flux> but the module name is going to be sourcefile.ml -> Sourcefile
<flux> at least as far as I understand it ;)
<etc> flux: cool that's just what I was asking - thanks!
<flux> you can of course have any a module of any name inside that module
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<etc> (thumbsup) cool
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<rightfold> symlink
<companion_cube> orbitz: no complexity doc on CCFQueue, because it's all in the paper (mostly O(1) amortized except for append-like operations)
<orbitz> Ok, I am snoc'ing and take_front'ing, which I assume is pretty good time complexity given that's a queue :)
<companion_cube> yeah, the asymptotic complexity should be good
<orbitz> companion_cube: btw, API aesthetics comment. I notice you use `get_or` for containers. Any reason you didn't go with `get_default`, the or_ is awkawrd looking. It doesn't make a different in the end, just awkward. WAlso, to I would expect get_or to take a function to execute on the or case, rather than a value. But that is just me and depends on one's expectations
<companion_cube> the constant factor, though, might not be that good
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<companion_cube> ah, well, consistency :/
<orbitz> :)
<companion_cube> ~default is a bit long, but it's indeed more readable
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<minn> I don't really understand why this constitutes a type error? The use seems fine to me, and I'm not really sure where the problem is. <http://lpaste.net/269692>
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<lyxia> minn: the type being inferred is not b -> a -> int in the second one.
<minn> Ah, it's inferring [< `A of int] instead of a, right?
<lyxia> right
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<minn> I see. Adding the type annotation gives the same type error. Hmm.
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<minn> Thanks. I'll have to do a little more reading on polymorphic variants to fix this, I suppose.
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<beginner_> if a program exits with failwith, is there no backtrace for the debugger?
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<flux> failwith is an exception, and ocaml does have backtraces assuming you compile with -g (debug symbols enabled) and you have environment variable OCAMLRUNPARAM=b (alternatively you can turn on backtraces from the program itself)
<flux> s/is/throws/
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<beginner_> flux: i have compiled the sources with -g, but when I run the program with the ocamldebugger backtrace is empty
<flux> I haven't atually used the ocamldebug mostly at all, so I don't recall if it does exception dumps..
<flux> (personally I haven't found the tool very helpful)
<beginner_> flux: what do you use then to fix bugs in your code?
<Algebr> probably print_endline
<flux> I test functions in isolation (ie. in top level), with unit tests (uUnit) and log messages
<flux> I don't say debuggers are useless, I say ocamldebug is :P
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<orbifx1> what's the syntax for aliasing a parameter?
<orbifx1> If one wants to create a short-name for a parameter
<orbifx1> is it simply: fun_name (parameter as p) ... ?
<lyxia> it is
<orbifx1> thanks
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<freehck> hello everyone
<companion_cube> hello freehck
<freehck> Could anyone help me? I constantly get a unix_error in this code: http://pastebin.com/9XKiHg9P and I don't understand why and how to fix it.
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<freehck> When I do the same thing with dig command-line tool, everything's okay.
<freehck> Maybe ocaml-dns doesn't know that in case of EAGAIN the sane behaviour is to try one more reading after a while?
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<copy`> freehck: You're probably right, you should report this on the bug tracker of the ocaml-dns project
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<freehck> copy`: done
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<copy`> If you have the free time you could dig (pun intended) into the code and fix the issue yourself :-)
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<freehck> copy`: Will see. For now I think I'll just wrap host command and parse its output.
<freehck> slaty but fast
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<orbifx1> what's the best way to source an accurate value of Pi in OCaml?
<Drup> 4. *. atan 1.
<Drup> (like in every language, I would say)
<companion_cube> except those that already define pi
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<Drup> companion_cube: they probably do it that way, though
<orbifx1> whats the error in that?
<def`> Drup: no, just a #define
<def`> with a litteral constant
<Drup> def`: that doesn't care about floating point number size :(
<companion_cube> they probably have #if .. #else ...
<Drup> That's really sad
<companion_cube> well you don't pay any price at initialization
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<def`> Drup: ???
<def`> 64 bits
<flux> the internal precision can be higher?
<def`> yes, on x87
<flux> that was really my argument against a literal :)
<flux> I suppose GPUs have dropepd that nonsense.
<companion_cube> otoh if you compute pi every time you use it, it's going to be costly
<Drup> companion_cube: my point was more "why use a define when you can just declare a global variable"
<flux> maybe not, sounds likely there is a hot path for that..
<def`> if you care about 64 vs 80 bits internal precision, you have to worry about much more than the precision of the literal
<def`> (and the C standard being vague, I'm sure you can put maximal precision in the litteral representation, and there exists a compiler and a platform where it will work with more than 64 bits)
<def`> plus having more computation involved more or less mean less precision
<flux> in practice, it's annoying to get pi that way of from a library, given how ocaml otherwise has a nice set of floating point functions :)
<def`> (and less reproducible results since spilling might round in a different way if internal precision is higher, whereas the litteral doesn't change)
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<Drup> (which is the same as above once rounded :p)
<def`> (which is the same as 3, once rounded)
<flux> best way to mess future maintainers, write such a literal but slightly wrong
<companion_cube> 4.14....
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<thizanne> #define pi OCAML_VERSION
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<minn> Would someone mind explaining why OCaml infers too large (specific) a type in the second function? There must be a semantic difference I'm not picking up on. The first types as I would expect. <http://lpaste.net/273059>
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<adrien> it seems quite logical to me
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<adrien> when you write "let `A = a", either your match could fail at runtime or a must be of type [ `A ]
<adrien> second option seems nicer to me
<mk270> i used to be able to do, e.g., "module X = Pervasives" at the REPL and see what was in Pervasives; this doesn't seem to work any more. is there a workaround?
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<Algebr> #show_module
<mk270> algebr: thanks - i'll check that out
<mk270> i appreciate i was relying on a bit of a hack
<mk270> ok that works.
<minn> Isn't the same true of the partial match, though? Either the match fails at runtime or must be of type [ `A ]?
<adrien> hmmm, true, didn't pay attention enough
<ousado> minn: well, you get an error for that, too :)
<ousado> err
<ousado> warning
<adrien> I don't know exactly why it choses one "solution" over the other
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<minn> Yeah. It must have something to do with the implementation of polymorphic variants. It seems like the let expression forces too large a type (it should be able to give it type p instead of [< `A]).
<aantron> minn: what do you mean by OCaml inferring a type in the second function? no type was inferred for the function itself as far as we can see - there is a type error instead
<aantron> if it were not for the type error, i think it would infer f : p -> p
<aantron> as well, if you rewrote g to evaluate to a in the match cases (similar to f), you would get g : p -> p
<aantron> match case*
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<minn> That is my bad, I intended a different return type: <http://lpaste.net/273162> I don't think it matters here, though.
<minn> aantron: You're right. I meant that one fails to type check, but I don't see the difference between the expression.
<aantron> minn: ok, now they are more symmetric :) just wanted to be clear. i think this goes back to the ancient decision to make inexhaustive match a warning rather than a type error
<aantron> currently i think it is recommended to treat that warning as an error, and add explicit "assert false" cases
<aantron> let doesn't have this baggage, but match does
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<minn> aantron: Interesting, that makes sense. I suppose in the larger scheme of things, I prefer the approach taken by let.
<aantron> yeah, agreed. for that, you compile with -warn-error +8 (IIRC)
<aantron> http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml-4.00/manual022.html (been a while since i did this)
<minn> Well, that page certainly gives lots of warnings that will be turned into errors next time I compile. :)
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<aantron> i often just do -warn-error +A and then add -4, -whatever, etc., for the ones that i am willing to suffer :)
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<aantron> you can also start the top level with such options, at least according to the man page
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<mk270> is there some reason "topfind" would be deleted in 4.02.3?
<mk270> the file seems to be absent
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<orbifx1> what's the simplest, most minimalist configuration system offered for ocaml programs?
<orbifx1> i.e. I want to make my process configurable, what's the simplest human readable format I can integrate with the smallest effort?
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<companion_cube> erf, I'd suggest toml, but it's not taht simple actually
<companion_cube> (not that I've tried a lot of them)
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<orbifx1> I've used Toml with OCaml, that is my default option unless there was a better suggestion, companion_cube
<companion_cube> I'm not sure, but the config format of opam might also be packaged somewhere
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