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<Drup> it includes everything except libc (and C bindings)
<darius93> C bindings? Drup you mean if i were to make bindings it wont be included in the application or are you referring to the C library themselves?
<Drup> the C library themselves
<darius93> ah okay
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<Enjolras> note that you can statically link C libraries if you want to
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<ptrz> if I want to write a C static analyzer in OCaml, is there a specific parser library I should be using?
<ptrz> or should I try to pull code from Frama-C?
<Drup> pull code from FramaC
<Drup> or other similar framework (there are several such projects in OCaml)
<Enjolras> Or Cil
<Enjolras> FramaC has its custom version of Cil, but it's standalone
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<freehck> good ugt morning! :)
<freehck> i forgot whether ocaml has an internal symbol type?
<freehck> like symbols in scheme/cl?
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<companion_cube> no, it doesn't
<companion_cube> you can probably use a hashconsed string type
<freehck> thx, i'd rather use strings then.
<companion_cube> depends, what did you intend to use symbols for?
<companion_cube> in general OCaml favors a more typed approach than lisps
<flux> companion_cube, why isn't the weight also parametrizable, does the algorithm require it to be an integer?
<companion_cube> well it needs some arithmetic comparisons on it
<companion_cube> I didn't take time to parametrize addition, product and comparison
<flux> I suppose integer is then alright (though float might be easier to use, but not a general solution)
<flux> (also float could break it ;-))
<companion_cube> it might be possible though to ask for a type and the operations in the functor
<companion_cube> yeah, float is risky
<companion_cube> the sane default is int, with every value weighting 1
<companion_cube> (so you have weight = cardinal)
<flux> I think it's a rare case when you would like to parametrize weight with an argument that can be multiplied easily, without it being just as easy to convert into integer
<flux> I was hoping it would only need comparisons :)
<flux> but of course not..
<companion_cube> heh
<companion_cube> you need sum to compute the weight of a node anyway
<companion_cube> and product for the balancing criterion
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<flux> first I need to find even the first application for it, even though it does sound useful.. :)
<flux> freehck, have you noticed `PolymorphicVariants?
<freehck> companion_cube: i just wanted to have an analog to my lovely '#err function from lisps which had syntax like (err 'function "message-format" . parameters).
<flux> I think they are similar to scheme symbols for some uses
<freehck> I can use "function" instead so it's normal.
<freehck> there's no need to use specifically symbols here.
<freehck> i think it's just a habit
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<companion_cube> freehck: you can use specific types (type err_type = Function | String | ...), or named parameters, or optional parameters
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<dario2> Hi everyone! I got a weird bug report. Are there any circumstances when a call to "Pervasives.exit 1" would fail to terminate an application?
<flux> 1) it's a forked process 2) infinite loop in at_exit-registered function 3) bug in ocaml runtime 4) bug in C library 5) bug in the operating system 6) bug in the hardware 7) bug in perception :)
<dario2> flux: It's an Ocsigen application, so LWT is involved. Also, I cannot reproduce the problem in my Linux machine (the bug reporter runs OSX).
<Leonidas> clearly, bug in operating system, the reporter should switch to Linux ;)
<ollehar> flux: 8) bug in the fabric of space-time/the matrix
<ollehar> call doctor who!
<flux> dario2, well, Pervasives.exit first calls all at exit handlers and then calls the C library exit..
<flux> dario2, so maybe lwt registers some at_exit handlers
<MasseR> dario2: probably has nothing to do with this, but I found some difference between lwt's daemon module between linux and osx
<flux> dario2, if it does, chances are it does so on linux as well (but works otherwise), so you could point your debugging efforts there
<dario2> Paging Ocsigen guys in the channel: do you know what might be going on?
<dario2> flux: Also, I don't exclude option 7... :-)
<haesbaert> how do I detect overflows with int32 ?
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<freehck> haesbaert: I suppose the question is "how do I detect overflows with int31"? )
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<freehck> haesbaert: as I got there's no way to do it. it cannot be catched at all.
<flux> there are bit tricks you can do to detect the situation, but you of course need to apply them with each operation
<flux> 'bit tricks c' is probably a good google keyword, it should be applicaple to ocaml as well
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<vbmithr> hi
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<vbmithr> In Async, when I open a TCP connection and do a Writer.write of a string in it, is the data sent immediately ?
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<MasseR> vbmithr: my _guess_ would be that it will be sent as soon as it can be sent
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<MasseR> (No idea whether flushing is required)
<vbmithr> Because it seems than when I send 2 bytes, they are not sent
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<vbmithr> No, maybe it is another issue in my code… But I'd like to know what I should do to ensure that what I'm writing is sent immediately
<rgrinberg1> vbmithr: it's buffered
<rgrinberg1> vbmithr: you can call Writer.flushed to wait until it's flushed but i don't know if you can flush stuff manually
<vbmithr> That's what I'm trying to figure out
<vbmithr> But I think I have another problem:
<vbmithr> When you transfer data from a pipe reader to a pipe writer
<vbmithr> it is ok to also manually write data in the pipe writer sometimes ?
<vbmithr> I.e. to transfer makes a pipe writer unusable ?
<rgrinberg1> vbmithr: depends if it closes it or not i guess
<vbmithr> yeah.
<vbmithr> doesn't seem so.
<vbmithr> Ok, seems it needs at least 6 bytes to send something :(
<vbmithr> even though Socket.(setopt s Opt.nodelay true);
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<vbmithr> By default, a write system call occurs at the end of a cycle in which bytes were written.
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<vbmithr> crazy, I can't find how to flush
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<nuki> I, excuse me but is there a way to generate InternalModule's documentation
<nuki> with oasis ?
<Drup> well, if they are internal, they should appear in the API ...
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<vbmithr> (it is flushed automatically asap, actually. Problem lies elsewhere.)
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<Drup> they should not*
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<nuki> yes but in the "main module" i reference others modules
<nuki> for example
<nuki> Truc = PrefixTruc
<nuki> (module Truc = PrefixTruc)
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<nuki> but when i'm run "make doc"
<nuki> Warning: Module or module type PrefixTruc not found
<companion_cube> I have this a lot, too
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<nuki> is there a way to resolve that ? I can referre manually all modules but it is not verry conveinent (lol i must studying English, i totally sucks)
<Drup> nuki: if you reference PrefixTruc in your interface, it's not an internal module
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<nuki> Ok
<nuki> thanks
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<nuki> it's perfectly working. Thanks a lot Drup
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<nuki> And is there a way to understand clearly the difference between Generative functor and Applicative Functor?
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<Drup> if F is a functor containing a type t
<Drup> if F is applicative, M = M' => F(M).t = F(M').t
<Drup> that is all.
<mrvn> also F(M).t = F(M).t
<Drup> (in OCaml, we mark generative functor by adding a unit-like argument () to the functor, but it's merely syntax)
<Drup> mrvn: that is implied :]
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<mrvn> but confusing to many with Generative functors
<mrvn> F(M).t != F(M).t
<nuki> And is there use-case of generative functors ?
<mrvn> nuki: lots. e.g. generating unique ids
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<Drup> nuki: generating unique new types, mostly
<nuki> Ok thanks
<mrvn> often one is also to lazy to make a functor applicative
<def`> sadly unique ids can also be generated with applicative functors
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<Drup> but not unique types
<mrvn> def`: then the functor isn't pure. But that is ok
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<def`> mostly :)
<Drup> I personally use impure functor rather liberally but can't mark them generative because compat :/
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<adrien> so you care about compat? :D
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<Drup> adrien: I never say I didn't :p
<Drup> said*
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<adrien> :)
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<dario1> Drup: Are there any circumstances when a call to "Pervasives.exit 1" would fail to terminate an Ocsigen server application?
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<Drup> dario1: server or client ?
<Drup> ah, server
<Drup> I'm not sure
<dario1> Server. Also, I cannot reproduce the problem in my Linux machine (the bug reporter runs OSX).
<Drup> open a bug report
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<dario1> Someone on this channel mentioned the possibility of an infinite-loop in an at_exit-registered function
<Drup> if that was the case, ^C would not work
<dario1> Yeah, as soon as I can get my hands on an OSX machine I'll try to reproduce the problem. If confirmed I'll file a bug report.
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<ollehar_tmp> test
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<ollehar_tmp> what's is the purpose of caml_gc_get and caml_gc_set?
<ollehar_tmp> they lack documentaiton.
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<Edgemaster> Does anyone know if the syntax for attributes has intentionally changed between 4.02.1 and 4.02.2? https://gist.github.com/edgemaster/a6a31a1ef6f2be251a2c
<Edgemaster> The manual appears to suggest this is valid syntax
<Drup> this has changed, yes
<Drup> C of int * stack [@f value, stack]
<Drup> instead
<Edgemaster> Great
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<Edgemaster> Couldn't spot it in the changelog, thanks for clarifying
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<adrien> ollehar_tmp: I'd say they're Gc.get and Gc.set
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<ollehar_tmp> adrien: oh, I'll check that out
<haesbaert> if I do module X = Y
<haesbaert> is X a copy of Y, or just another name for Y ?
<haesbaert> for isntance
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<haesbaert> module Y = X ; X.foo := true; Y.foo = true or false ?
<Drup> just another name
<def`> ahem that's two different things
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<def`> 4.02, another name, before a copy
<haesbaert> ahh, good to know
<def`> but references are values like any other, so the reference will be the same
<haesbaert> thanks
<def`> always
<haesbaert> well I have a module Log, which I have to export in the library now
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<haesbaert> but "Log" is too generic
<haesbaert> so I renamed to Dhcp_logger
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<haesbaert> but I don't want to open it, neither want to type Dhcp_logger
<def`> don't worry, this should always work correctly
<haesbaert> k
<adrien> which library is that btw?
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<haesbaert> it's a dhcp server library for mirage/unix
<adrien> thanks :)
<adrien> (I was asking for myself)
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<haesbaert> k
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<ollehar_tmp> (test)
<mrvn> (fail)
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<ollehar_tmp> le baguette?
<ollehar_tmp> ()
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