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<whitequark> /me pokes Drup
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<tautologico> anyone managed to install coq via opam on OS X mavericks? seems to be hitting the xcode 5 issue
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<ggherdov_> hello. Any news about the date of this year ICFP programming contest? I sent a tweet to the ICFP Publicity Chair, he doesn't know yet https://twitter.com/_GGhh_/status/464516290489884672
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<adrien> woah...
<adrien> All files with the suffix ".conf" found in the directory find‐
<adrien> lib.conf.d are also scanned for parameters.
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<choeger_tu> gildor?
<adrien> he's not around
<choeger_tu> too bad
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<adrien> he answers on bug trackers and email though
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<Kakadu> What camlp4 extension provides something like #if ocaml_version >= (4, 00) ?
<adrien> there's cppo which can do that
<adrien> not camlp4 iirc but will do it
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<whitequark> Kakadu: usually it's handled by pa_optcomp
<Kakadu> my hipothesis is that camlp4 have changed recently and now for trunk OCaml deriving is not compilable
<whitequark> and so far I've seen pa_optcomp parroted from one project to another
<whitequark> that's very possible
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<Kakadu> nono
<Kakadu> utop is uninstallable with same error
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<whitequark> what's the error?
<whitequark> utop works just fine on trunk
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<whitequark> ah
<whitequark> use trunk utop as well
<Kakadu> okay, I understand this problem
<Kakadu> At them moment in 4.01.0 I can't install camlp4 package because a message: ocamlbuild: unknown option `-no-ocamlfind'.
<Kakadu> Does ocamlbuild in trunk compiler have changed its command line options?
<jpdeplaix> Kakadu: do you use opam ?
<Kakadu> jpdeplaix: yes
<jpdeplaix> and the package provided by opam-repository ?
<jpdeplaix> not mine ?
<whitequark> Kakadu: why would you install camlp4 package on 4.01.0?
<whitequark> it's provided with the compiler
<whitequark> and it's a dummy one in the opam repos
<Kakadu> jpdeplaix: I forgot that your overlay is enabled :)
<jpdeplaix> I'm removing it
<jpdeplaix> done
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<choeger_tu> does anyone know if I can prevent OUnit from removing a temporary dir?
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<gasche> I had forgotten this reason why an OCaml GHC frontend may not work very well
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<ggole> gasche: oof, no write barrier?
<ggole> Wonder why they did it that way.
<companion_cube> guess they jave almost no writes
<companion_cube> have*
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<ggole> That would make a write barrier cheap and effective.
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<NoNNaN> "Parallel Functional Programming with Mutable State" -> http://manticore.cs.uchicago.edu/papers/bergstrom-phd.pdf
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<_obad_> is there an "opam resume" command? I asked it to install lablgtk. it then decided to install lablgtk and recompile lwt. lablgtk installation failed because I didn't have gtk2-devel, which I then installed. at this point, I called opam install lablgtk and it worked, but now I don't have lwt anymore.
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<Drup> _obad_: no, but when it fails, it tell you you can reimport the old state
<Drup> whitequark: pong
<_obad_> drup: it didn't tell me anything like that
<_obad_> how would I have restored the state?
<Drup> opam import something
<Drup> something being some back up file done by opam
<_obad_> hmm... ok I'll try to remember that for next time. thanks
<Drup> opam would tell you, in case of failed instalation
<_obad_> well it didn't.. maybe it's too old
<_obad_> 1.1.0 I have
<Drup> oh, yeah
<Drup> last is 1.1.0
<Enjolras> 1.1.1*
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<Drup> yeah, that's what I meant :/
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<eizo> Parameter A B: Set. Definition I := A * B. why does this fail, but Definition I := prod A B works?
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<Drup> eizo: probably wrong channel :)
<eizo> sry thanks
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<gasche> eizo: (A * B)%type
<eizo> gasche: thanks
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<adrien> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee \o/
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<adrien> libarchive built with FILE_OFFSET_BITS as 32
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<adrien> crap C ABI issues
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<_obad_> is cairo-ocaml the way to go to render complex graphics with lablgtk?
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<adrien> define complex?
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<adrien> and I actually like Gdk; it's raster unlike cairo
<adrien> but not directly in gtk3 but since lablgtk still doesn't support gtk3... (and it can be made available anyway)
<adrien> but seeing the troubles in getting gtk3 to work everywhere...
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<_obad_> adrien: say x-y plots overlaid on images
<adrien> hmmm
<adrien> look at archimedes first
<Drup> for plots, archimedes is nice
<adrien> s/nice/awesome/
<adrien> mind you it's the only tool I found that understood Shannon's theorem
<adrien> others? 1 billion points on 1000px wide and high? let's plot them all!
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<_obad_> archimedes looks interesting but it's not what I want I think. maybe I shouldn't have said x-y plot.
<_obad_> I'm writing something similar to a video analysis software. so you display a frame and then annotate it with, say, shapes of detected elements
<adrien> ah
<adrien> wondering if gl might be a better fit
<_obad_> and the elements can be, say, stuff from a geographical map (polygons, text, etc.)
<adrien> well, try with cairo/cairo2
<_obad_> adrien: yeah so I just started with GDraw.drawable#arc and it says it's deprecated
<_obad_> hence I was wondering what I should be using
* adrien is getting old and doesn't remember well
<adrien> can't remember if that goes through gdk or not
<_obad_> yes it does
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<adrien> then that's the reason; but as I said, on gtk2 you're guaranteed to have gdk and it can be added for other versions too
<_obad_> but it's a bit low level. I would have to deal with clipping etc
<adrien> draw over :P
<Drup> _obad_: yeah, for this kind of stuff, cairo
<adrien> cairo is higher-level but also more complex
<adrien> but it's not incredibly complex either
<_obad_> it's the postscript/gl matrix concept
<_obad_> but I see you need to call Cairo_lablgtk.create. I hope it works with lwt
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<adrien> why wouldn't it?
<_obad_> dunno...? just being paranoid ;)
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<_obad_> yey! it worked. displayed a red rectangle as in the cube.ml cairo example. thanks opam.
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<_obad_> back in my days all we had was Graphics
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<adrien> Graphics' API isn't bad :)
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<adrien> so now I have a 1.4 beta1 of win-builds
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<adrien> hopefully the road to the stable release is short
<_obad_> adrien: graphics isn't bad!? lol. you can't even get cursor keys
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<adrien> cursor keys?
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<adrien> but I like the overall API more than cairo's which I find complicated
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<adrien> "draw line from A to B"?
<Anarchos> adrien after stable release, will camlp5 and coq be updated ?
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<adrien> Anarchos: I wasn't talking stable release of the ocaml compiler :)
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<Anarchos> adrien ah ok
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<_obad_> ok I admit it cairo seems a bit more complicated at first, and not very well documented, but once you understand that it's very imperative it's relatively simple
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<_obad_> random bitching: why isn't there a built-in pi defined? yes I know it's only 4. *. atan 1.
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<adrien> :P
<adrien> iirc that was because you wouldn't get the same on 32b and 64b or something like that
<_obad_> floats are always 64-bit afaik
<adrien> actually that can't hold
<adrien> yeah, exactly
<adrien> I don't remember
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<adrien> I read a reason but it wasn't a very good one :)
<_obad_> it should provide whatever M_PI defines...
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