02:36 <Joerg-Neo900> dos1: are you around?

04:13 <Oksana> All these discussions about website... Just visited it, logged in, looked at my order and voucher history...

04:14 <Joerg-Neo900> everything fine? at least working?

15:20 <Joerg-Neo900> short chat protocol of another tiny channel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25082461

15:21 <Joerg-Neo900> about OS on Neo900

15:22 <Joerg-Neo900> re stresstest etc: we won't do much stress testing, we just write little bash jobs that test the functionality of the new sensors and actors (mostly LEDs)

15:22 <Joerg-Neo900> and yes, any help with that is highly appreciated

15:23 <Joerg-Neo900> go to

15:23 <Joerg-Neo900> ~bd

15:23 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, bd is http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html the very fine and detailled Block Diagram, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1445200#post1445200

15:25 <Joerg-Neo900> get the datasheets of something you're interested in, find out about existing drivers in upstream linux for it (or simply talk to it via I2C, pretty much everything is I2C in Neo900), then consider and write fancy little testing scripts or even apps using that sensor or actor

15:28 <Joerg-Neo900> an example how to do that, from old times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II

15:31 <Joerg-Neo900> a less spectacular though much more useful example: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278

15:32 <Joerg-Neo900> we won't need that on Neo900 anymore, since we got autonomous charging. Though you still _can_ do similar stuff if you want to, it's just not _needed_ anymore

15:34 <Joerg-Neo900> this and similar stuff is exactly what we need proto_v2 for to test all subsystems

15:36 <Joerg-Neo900> OS devels however may already want to start integrating that stuff into the OS, using proto_v2 as development&testing platform

15:42 <Joerg-Neo900> the one thing we will test more thoroughly (sort of "strsstest") is our modem sandboxing and monitoring solution, we will run some software against the complete hardware sensors and actors involved there, to demonstrate how it works

15:46 <Joerg-Neo900> I'm unclear how accurate and useful the magnetic compass will be, since we have steel components from N900 that were not designed to minimize interference with magnetic fields. Though many other devices seem to also have steel parts and a magnetic compas and I think usually you can calibrate out eny adverse effects, we will have to check that and there's no guarantee we can achieve good results

15:47 <Joerg-Neo900> likelihood of total failure of compass is low anyway

15:50 <Joerg-Neo900> sw devels might need to take into account with calibration: *) state of kbd slide open/closed (moving magnet in display), *) state of kickstand in/out (steel 'cover' in kickstand moving relative to the magnet in battery lid)

16:21 <Joerg-Neo900> .

16:25 <Joerg-Neo900> something anybody technically interested and slightly savvy in development (particularly kernel / drivers) may help with: in http://neo900.org/stuff/block-diagrams/neo900/neo900.html find an interesting component and click on the pink bottom link in hovertext. Gets you to e.g.http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/Lights-Backlight/. Create an account so you may edit (you've noticed the page is 404), then go to http://projects.goldelico.

16:25 <Joerg-Neo900> com/p/neo900/doc/create/ and create the page for /Lights-Backlight/. Then search upstream linux for any drivers you can find for that chip, and add name and URLs/links to the wikipage

17:02 <crox> Joerg-Neo900, thanks for the feedback.

17:02 <Joerg-Neo900> you're very welcome :-)

17:05 <Joerg-Neo900> re wiki, refer to root index http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/00-index/ and the structure in there

17:05 <Joerg-Neo900> e.g. http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/Sensors/

17:06 <Joerg-Neo900> adding a new page to that index first simplifies creating the page by simply clicking to that link (with leading "+") in index

17:07 <Joerg-Neo900> refer to e.g. "(+) Sensors-Capture camera Capture button mechanical switch" in http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/Sensors/

17:09 <Joerg-Neo900> ideally use "edit" of another similar existing page as template (refer to http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/Sensors-Humidity/ resp http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/doc/update/Sensors-Humidity/)

17:10 <Joerg-Neo900> the content isn't really good on that one, but the "framework" is there

17:14 <Joerg-Neo900> I suggest "#I2C address:" "#linux driver source URLs:" in addition (apended) to the common:

17:14 <Joerg-Neo900> [[00-index]]/[[Sensors]]

17:14 <Joerg-Neo900> # type: Sensor Environment

17:14 <Joerg-Neo900> # location

17:14 <Joerg-Neo900> # component part number

17:16 <Joerg-Neo900> obviously please choose the right subcategory, instead of "Sensors" if you work on e.h. a LED controller

17:18 <Joerg-Neo900> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/00-index/ -> "(+) Lights)"

17:19 <Joerg-Neo900> then create copy of http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/Sensors/ as "Lights" sub-index and add your link to the particular LED controller

17:20 <crox> Joerg-Neo900, maybe you should put these instructions somewhere on the website?

17:20 <Joerg-Neo900> good idea

17:23 <Joerg-Neo900> http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/13/plasma-desktopsL8317.png

17:49 <Joerg-Neo900> http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/edit-HOWTO/

17:50 <Joerg-Neo900> (markup always driving me mad, and the editor there isn't exaclty great either)

17:53 <Joerg-Neo900> ~#neo900 help drivers is http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/edit-HOWTO/

17:53 <infobot> Joerg-Neo900: okay

17:54 <Joerg-Neo900> ~help drivers

17:54 <Joerg-Neo900> dang

17:54 <Joerg-Neo900> ~#neo900 help-drivers is http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/edit-HOWTO/

17:54 <infobot> okay, Joerg-Neo900

17:55 <Joerg-Neo900> ~forget #neo900 help drivers

17:55 <infobot> Joerg-Neo900: i forgot #neo900 help drivers

17:55 <Joerg-Neo900> ~help-drivers

17:55 <infobot> help-drivers is, like, http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/page/edit-HOWTO/

17:58 <Joerg-Neo900> crox: better that way? ^^^